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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 8:23PM
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the 4e books the core books(namely the phb, dmg, the mosntermanuals), the underdark, the essential books, the dragonomicons, opengrave, etc( the exceptions are the FR, eberron and ds settings along with any books tied to those settings) are all set up and geared to the Nentir Vale setting.
Um, no.
Only Monster Vault: Threats to the Nentir Vale is geared specifically towards the Nentir Vale setting. Everything else is generic.
Saying the monsters in the Draconomicons are geared towards the Nentir Vale setting is like saying the Monk class is geared towards the Nentir Vale setting.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 8:24PM
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In 4th edition and in the book draconomicom:metallic dragons,wizards of the coast said that metallic dragons are now unaligned ,which SCREWD UP the game! with the help of good metallic dragons, killing the evil chromatic dragons is funny, but now while there are no real good metallic dragons(which the are now unaligned) the game is not very funny!Can you Wizards of the coast fix this problem?because the thing that makes me your fan are these good alligned(not unalligned) mettalic dragons.
Alignment is not chiseled in stone. If all that bothers you is metallic dragons are no longer good, then just say that they are. It's not like you'll have to strip away any alignment tags from their powers, or make them susceptible to spells that target good alignments.
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so why even play a fighter if you can play the paladin the exact same way behaviorally and get added power to boot. "Paladin" is about accepting better game-enhancing mechanics at the price of more rigid in game behavior.
Really? So it goes something like this?
Fighter: "I want to be a paladin."
NPC: "Really?"
Fighter: "Yes."
NPC: "Very well." Starts reading from a holy book while still in-character "Do you accept having to choose and stick to the lawful good alignment, eventhough neither of us actually knows that it exists or what it is?"
Fighter: "I do."
NPC: "Do you reject good game balance because you accidentally rolled a high Charisma?"
Fighter: "What?"
NPC: "I don't know what it means either."
Fighter: "Oh. Umm, ok I do."
NPC: "In the name of all that is metagamey and broken, accept these better game enhancing mechanics."
Fighter: "These what?"
NPC: "Just get out there and try to fulfill a million different people's notion of good while not violating and part of any of them."
So the system is designed such that every single hit needs to be described to avoid confusion? Here's a scenario. The players are nudists, everybody in the world are nudists, it's not weird, it's totally normal in this land. They are naked and they fight drakes taking damage throughout, but healing up with surges. Later they meet the guy who raised the drakes.
Part 1: I didn't describe any of the hits. What does he see?
Part 2: Lets say I described the drakes as biting the players, yet they healed up. What does he see?
D20 Modern Toon PC Race.
Mecha Pilot's Skill Challenge Emporium.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 9:00PM
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the 4e books the core books(namely the phb, dmg, the mosntermanuals), the underdark, the essential books, the dragonomicons, opengrave, etc( the exceptions are the FR, eberron and ds settings along with any books tied to those settings) are all set up and geared to the Nentir Vale setting.
Um, no.
Only Monster Vault: Threats to the Nentir Vale is geared specifically towards the Nentir Vale setting. Everything else is generic.
Um, no.
Those books refer to the world the Nentir Vale is in as a whole (Underdark in particular describes the Underdarks of that world), while Threats to the Nentir Vale focuses solely on the Nentir Vale. There are no generic fluff books in 4ed.
"People want balance but can't accept this homogenization that occurs as a result of that balance being implemented. then they complain that the fighter is weaker than the wizard ad nauseam.: - Teitan
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 9:28PM
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Um, no.
Those books refer to the world the Nentir Vale is in as a whole (Underdark in particular describes the Underdarks of that world), while Threats to the Nentir Vale focuses solely on the Nentir Vale. There are no generic fluff books in 4ed.
1) This fails in that there is no single world the Nentir Vale is in, as the Nentir Vale itself is designed to be a generic setting that can be easily pluged into or expanded upon in other campaign worlds.
2) It fails a second time in that monster stat blocks are not fluff.
3) It fails a third time in that i don't even think the Nentir Vale is even mentioned in some of those books. Open Grave may tell you about the graveyard of Col Fen, but Col Fen is given no point of reference to place it. Strange, for a book supposidly about the Nentir Vale.
4) Taking 1 and 3 together, it fails spectacularly in that there are, indeed, generic fluff books in 4ed.
So, um, no.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 9:40PM
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Um, no.
Those books refer to the world the Nentir Vale is in as a whole (Underdark in particular describes the Underdarks of that world), while Threats to the Nentir Vale focuses solely on the Nentir Vale. There are no generic fluff books in 4ed.
1) This fails in that there is no single world the Nentir Vale is in, as the Nentir Vale itself is designed to be a generic setting that can be easily pluged into or expanded upon in other campaign worlds.
2) It fails a second time in that monster stat blocks are not fluff.
3) It fails a third time in that i don't even think the Nentir Vale is even mentioned in some of those books. Open Grave may tell you about the graveyard of Col Fen, but Col Fen is given no point of reference to place it. Strange, for a book supposidly about the Nentir Vale.
4) Taking 1 and 3 together, it fails spectacularly in that there are, indeed, generic fluff books in 4ed.
So, um, no.
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your oppinion fails because the 4e books listed fluff not canonically attached to any of the settings save Nentir VAle. and for 4e to have had generic books, they would have had to not list places of origins or have deities in the core books or any of the books save the setting books. but they didnt.
ummm first and last warning: back to dragons please
silver dragons are cool
a mask everyone has at least two of, one they wear in public and another they wear in private.....
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 9:54PM
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your oppinion fails because the 4e books listed fluff not canonically attached to any of the settings save Nentir VAle
And this fails because they are not attached to the Nentir Vale. The Nentir Vale is simply not mentioned. At all.
And even if a mention of the Nentir Vale in one section of the book consigns the whole thing to the Nentir Vale, then I guess there are no Bards, Invokers, Avengers, Psions, Monks, Druids, Barbarians etc., etc., in the Realms. I guess you're stuck with playing a PHB1 class (actually mentioned in the class section) or a Swordmage.
and for 4e to have had generic books, they would have had to not list places of origins or have deities in the core books or any of the books save the setting books. but they didnt.
For a unique and narrow definition of generic. In previous editions, there were generic deities. It was only in 3rd edition where the game had a default setting (Greyhawk). And yet, throughout those years, core books included things like deities.
As for places: Tomb of Horrors is a specific place, but it is generic in that it can be dropped into any setting. Just like the Underdark, just like the lairs in Open Grave.
ummm first and last warning: back to dragons please
Are... you serious?
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1 year ago ::
Mar 17, 2012 - 9:57PM
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In 4th edition and in the book draconomicom:metallic dragons,wizards of the coast said that metallic dragons are now unaligned,which SCREWD UP the game!with the help of good metallic dragons, killing the evil chromatic dragons is funny, but now while there are no real good metallic dragons(which the are now unaligned) the game is not very funny!Can you Wizards of the coast fix this problem?because the thing that makes me your fan are these good alligned(not unalligned) mettalic dragons.
Alignment is not chiseled in stone. If all that bothers you is metallic dragons are no longer good, then just say that they are. It's not like you'll have to strip away any alignment tags from their powers, or make them susceptible to spells that target good alignments.
Which is the great thing about alignment not being tied to mechanics. No need to worry about making evil gold dragons and good red dragons; now it relies on story, without mechanics needing to be stripped away.
"I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." --Bill Cosby (1937- )Vanador: OK. You ripped a gateway to Hell, killed half the town, and raised the dead as feral zombies. We're going to kill you. But it can go two ways. We want you to run as fast as you possibly can toward the south of the town to draw the Zombies to you, and right before they catch you, I'll put an arrow through your head to end it instantly. If you don't agree to do this, we'll tie you this building and let the Zombies rip you apart slowly. Dimitry: God I love being Neutral. 4th edition is dead, long live 4th edition.Salla: opinionated, but commonly right. fun quotes
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You have to do the work first, and show you can do the work, before someone is going to pay you for it.
If you can't understand how someone yelling at another person would make them fight harder and longer, then you need to look at the forums a bit closer.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 18, 2012 - 5:53PM
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In 4th edition and in the book draconomicom:metallic dragons,wizards of the coast said that metallic dragons are now unaligned,which SCREWD UP the game!with the help of good metallic dragons, killing the evil chromatic dragons is funny, but now while there are no real good metallic dragons(which the are now unaligned) the game is not very funny!Can you Wizards of the coast fix this problem?because the thing that makes me your fan are these good alligned(not unalligned) mettalic dragons.
ಠ_ಠ Not sure if serious?
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1 year ago ::
Mar 19, 2012 - 9:02AM
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I think they picked it up from Eberron. My thinking is, I can House Rule any monster I want to have any alignment you want. So, I don't much care what their books say. Gold dragons are LG. We all know it. I want to be able to fight them every once in a while though. Otherwise, it's a waste of stats.
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1 year ago ::
Mar 19, 2012 - 11:10AM
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In my home-brew campaign dragons have never been restricted to alignment by color/type. For my games those entries only referred to tendencies of particular kinds. Dragons are ancient creatures from the time before Man and are highly intelligent, thus, I felt that they could make moral choices same as anyone.
It made encounters with dragons more more interesting and dangerous for my players, because they had to actually engage any dragon they encountered before simply killing it (Not that dragon assassinations where that easy to begin with).
For us, it simply made a better story.
Monica
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A friendly dragon.
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