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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 5:57PM
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I think the problem with a lot of posts on this forum is that people are still edition warring instead of trying to find common ground or ways to compromise. There's been a lot of misrepresentation on both sides of the fence and that doesn't contribute anything constructive. Each side has legitimate complaints--and we need to focus on those so that we can work towards something that's worthwhile for all of us. The "my way or the highway" approach that I'm seeing a lot of (on both sides) needs to to stop (though I know it's not going to) ad we need to look for solutions that are inclusive.
Sorry - I'm a forum lurker by nature, and I don't usually contribute, but this should be required reading before posting anything to the D&D Next forums. This is what it should be about, and I couldn't have put it better myself.
EDIT: A wild "g" found its way into my post. I have used an Opportunity Action to kill it and harvest XP.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 6:01PM
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Foxface I feel the exact same from this side of the edition war. I have posted in a few threads trying to find a common ground, a starting place. I realized that 3.5 had several large flaws that needed to be fixed. I feel that 4th has several large flaws that need to be fixed. And I think that if we combine these two systems in some way we can come up with a system that works really well. And for the places that both editions have flaws we innovate. I don't know why this is so hard for the people of these boards to understand, but every thread becomes a flame war by page 10 and nothing productive comes out of it.
Crimson_Lancer: I have almost done the same thread. I just keep thinking if someone could explain all of the misconceptions between the two editions we will realize that there is room for working together. The editions have a lot of stuff in common we just need to recognize this and build from there. We can innovate our way out of this cardboard box we have put ourselves in.
Im sorry but ADEU is a French word for goodbye, not a combat system. You say, "Encounter Power" and I stop listening to you. Have Played/Run
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I know my games, don't try to argue about them. Alignment Explained
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This is a very simple problem and I will outline it below.
Their are two types of people
Type 1: a lot of people (not all, but a lot) who play see alignment as "I am lawful good thus I must play lawful good"
Type 2: a lot of people (not all, but a lot) who play see alignment as "My previous actions have made people and the gods view me as lawful good.
The difference is subtle but it is the source of the misunderstanding. Alignment does not dictate how you play your character. All it does is tell you, the player, how the rest of the world views you, and your previous actions. Any future actions will be judged by their own merits.
Say you're a baby eating pyromaniac. You are most likely chaotic evil. But one day you decide, "Hey all I really need is love." So you get a wife, have a kid, and get a kitten named Mr. Snook'ems. You become a member of the PTA and help build houses for the homeless. You are no longer chaotic evil. And just because you were once chaotic evil it does not mean that you have to stay chaotic evil.
Alignment never dictates what you can do, it only says what you have done.
Now that is cleared up here is a simple test.
What is the alignment of...
A Police officer:
The average Citizen:
A Vigilante:
The answer is simple.
The Police officer is lawful good. He uses the laws of the country and city to arrest people and make them pay their debt to society.
The Citizen is Neutral good. He wants to live is a place that is Good and follows moral and ethical principle, but he sometimes finds the laws impedes him, and he wonders why we spend so much on poor people.
The Vigilante is Chaotic Good. He wants to uphold the morals and ethics of society but finds that the bad guys often slip through the cracks in the law. He takes it upon himself to protect the people from these criminals.
That is the basic breakdown of the good alignment axis. What needs to be remembered is that any one of these people can change alignments, easily.
The Police officer could be bought off by a local gang, and suddenly he drops to lawful neutral.
The average citizen might find that his neighbors dog is annoying, barking at night and keeping him up. So he poisons its food, now he is no longer good, he is stepping towards true neutral. Maybe the citizen really goes crazy also kills the neighbor, hello neutral evil.
It is possible that the Vigilante realizes that the cops are actually doing a pretty good job and decides to become an officer himself, leaving his masked crime fighting days behind him. Now he is Lawful good.
Your alignment is not carved in stone, it is malleable and will change to reflect your actions.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 6:01PM
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A worthy sentiment.
You seem sane. I have been called sane. We should be friends.
This Azzy fellow seems on the level. This one time, he and I had different preferences on something, and then we respected each other's opinions as valid.
Seriously, though, you should check out the PbP Haven. You might also like Real Adventures, IF you're cool. | Knights of W.T.F.- Silver Spur Winner | |
4enclave, a place where 4e fans can talk 4e in peace.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 6:04PM
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A worthy sentiment.
You seem sane. I have been called sane. We should be friends.
This Azzy fellow seems on the level. This one time, he and I had different preferences on something, and then we respected each other's opinions as valid.
I heart you, Pash.
Essentials zigged, when I wanted to continue zagging.
Roll dice, not cars.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 6:11PM
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A worthy sentiment.
You seem sane. I have been called sane. We should be friends.
This Azzy fellow seems on the level. This one time, he and I had different preferences on something, and then we respected each other's opinions as valid.
"Pics or it didn't happen." 
Resident Logic Cannon
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 6:21PM
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"Pics or it didn't happen."
I offer you links
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Response.
Seriously, though, you should check out the PbP Haven. You might also like Real Adventures, IF you're cool. | Knights of W.T.F.- Silver Spur Winner | |
4enclave, a place where 4e fans can talk 4e in peace.
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 6:29PM
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DAMN! Stop being nice to each other; without a war to fight, soldiers are forced to retire! 
Resident Logic Cannon
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 6:30PM
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speaking of FLAME wars; just went to the toilet. DO NOT GO IN THERE
i can post a link if you like but i think you'll take me on my word
i'll describe it for you
JUMBACO! JUMBACO! JUMBACO!
hahaha
All that AND a bag of dice Baby!!!
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 7:00PM
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You seem sane. I have been called sane. We should be friends.
You'd be the first to accuse be of being sane. Did you let them live afterwards? Agreed!
EDIT: A wild "g" found its way into my post. I have used an Opportunity Action to kill it and harvest XP.
Gah! I hate it when that happens. At least you got the XP.
I don't know why this is so hard for the people of these boards to understand, but every thread becomes a flame war by page 10 and nothing productive comes out of it.
And when something procutive does come, it's promptly ignored.
This one time, he and I had different preferences on something, and then we respected each other's opinions as valid.
Sorry, I'll try not to let it happen again. 
Maybe, if we're all sneaking about it we might get something productive done without the edition warriors noticing. Or maybe I'm being too optimistic. 
Playtest or get off the playtest boards.
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I want justice for the voice that can't be heard
Vindication for every suffering and hurt
Let retribution hold dominion over earth
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1 year ago ::
Jan 21, 2012 - 7:23PM
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Hmmm...okay, so here's an idea that works around the CoC and could prevent the distractions (or ignoring of good ideas, which definitely happens all too often): maybe if we find the right Title and Topic for a Thread, we can just report anyone who detracts from it and get the posts deleted (as Off-Topic discussion is technically a reportable offense), allowing the useful discussion to continue. Of course, the Title and Topic would have to be very specific for something like that to work, but making the System here on the Boards work for us would be really nice for once...
Thoughts?
Resident Logic Cannon
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