New Posts For Thread: 4e Fans: What would you change about 4e?http://community.wizards.com/dndnext/go/thread/view/75882/29390269/4e_Fans:_What_would_you_change_about_4eThere's a lot of bitching back and forth about how this incarnation should have just left 3e alone instead of beating a dead horse. I agree insofar as I haven't seen many concepts from 4e (as I understand it) in the playtest matarial, so I was curiouYes, 3rd Ed started the number bloat; for all its faults, 1st/2nd Ed ability scores had more intimacy, a 23 meant something, in 3rd and 4th Ed it can get into the realm of "...I don't know, it has a strength of like 40 or 50 or something..." (loses mhttp://community.wizards.com/dndnext/go/thread/view/75882/29390269/4e_Fans:_What_would_you_change_about_4e?post_id=524968881#524968881Yes, 3rd Ed started the number bloat; for all its faults, 1st/2nd Ed ability scores had more intimacy, a 23 meant something, in 3rd and 4th Ed it can get into the realm of "...I don't know, it has a strength of like 40 or 50 or something..." (loses mWed, 10 Oct 2012 21:23:39 -0500Yes, 3rd Ed started the number bloat; for all its faults, 1st/2nd Ed ability scores had more intimacy, a 23 meant something, in 3rd and 4th Ed it can get into the realm of "...I don't know, it has a strength of like 40 or 50 or something..." (loses mhttp://community.wizards.com/dndnext/go/thread/view/75882/29390269/4e_Fans:_What_would_you_change_about_4e?post_id=524968723#524968723Yes, 3rd Ed started the number bloat; for all its faults, 1st/2nd Ed ability scores had more intimacy, a 23 meant something, in 3rd and 4th Ed it can get into the realm of "...I don't know, it has a strength of like 40 or 50 or something..." (loses mWed, 10 Oct 2012 21:14:21 -0500Yes, 3rd Ed started the number bloat; for all its faults, 1st/2nd Ed ability scores had more intimacy, a 23 meant something, in 3rd and 4th Ed it can get into the realm of "...I don't know, it has a strength of like 40 or 50 or something..." (loses mhttp://community.wizards.com/dndnext/go/thread/view/75882/29390269/4e_Fans:_What_would_you_change_about_4e?post_id=524968549#524968549Yes, 3rd Ed started the number bloat; for all its faults, 1st/2nd Ed ability scores had more intimacy, a 23 meant something, in 3rd and 4th Ed it can get into the realm of "...I don't know, it has a strength of like 40 or 50 or something..." (loses mWed, 10 Oct 2012 21:06:09 -0500Yes, 3rd Ed started the number bloat; for all its faults, 1st/2nd Ed ability scores had more intimacy, a 23 meant something, in 3rd and 4th Ed it can get into the realm of "...I don't know, it has a strength of like 40 or 50 or something..." (loses mhttp://community.wizards.com/dndnext/go/thread/view/75882/29390269/4e_Fans:_What_would_you_change_about_4e?post_id=524954745#524954745Yes, 3rd Ed started the number bloat; for all its faults, 1st/2nd Ed ability scores had more intimacy, a 23 meant something, in 3rd and 4th Ed it can get into the realm of "...I don't know, it has a strength of like 40 or 50 or something..." (loses mWed, 10 Oct 2012 12:54:40 -0500The biggest thing (and the key methods have been mentioned, but bear repeating), IMO, is reducing bloat.1: Feat bloat. Feats need to be designed with one concept in mind. There are a raft of in-combat, always-on feats which are chosen more than anyhttp://community.wizards.com/dndnext/go/thread/view/75882/29390269/4e_Fans:_What_would_you_change_about_4e?post_id=524946765#524946765The biggest thing (and the key methods have been mentioned, but bear repeating), IMO, is reducing bloat.1: Feat bloat. Feats need to be designed with one concept in mind. There are a raft of in-combat, always-on feats which are chosen more than anyWed, 10 Oct 2012 08:20:13 -0500