>My goal for this product: be awesome.So, what happened?
David Bowie - Cygnet Committee
>My goal for this product: be awesome.So, what happened?This. Somehow the only 2 cards in this box set worth talking about are both banned in Modern (not "not legal", I mean "legal and actually banned"). Which is yet another reason why Modern is stupid.Anyway, this article read like this to me:Dark Ritual: So we found the first ever tournament winner and asked about his deck. He played Black Vise and Unholy Strength. So we put Dark Ritual in the set.Swords to Plowshares: This card has been reprinted a billion times. So let's reprint it again.Hymn to Tourach: Alright, here's the 3rd in your list of commons/uncommons worth around $2 that you can pick up at your LGS anyway, but this time WITH BRAND NEW ART!Fyndhorn Elves: YAY MOAR COOB AERT GUYZ!!!!!Impulse: And the next in the long list of $2 or less uncommons that you're going to have to pay $500 for is...a card that was played in, but had no real game-relevance in the deck piloted by one of the biggest cheaters of all time. Let's all remember Mike Long and ProsBloom when we play the card that is neither Prosperity nor Cadaverous Bloom (nor Squandered Resources, which also would have been acceptable). Hooray Reserved List!Wall of Blossoms: Second in our list of cards chosen by relevance to the deck they were played in, is Wall of Blossoms representing RecSur, which, by the way, is Recurring Nightmare and Survival of the Fittest. The Reserved List strikes again! Have fun guys!Thran Dynamo: When I think of Urza's Block, the first thing I think of is fast mana and Combo Winter. And when I think of Fast Mana and Combo Winter, the first thing I think of is Tolarian - wait - Time Spi - er - Palin - damn - Thran Dynamo. Yeah, that's the one I wanted.Tanglewire: And here, we have the original MUD deck, featuring Metalworker, Tinker, and a bunch of broken artifacts. We even have Rishadan Port, the defining card of Masques Block Standard, and the second-best mana denial land in Legacy. But nope, here's some junk not playable outside of Cube and EDH.Fact or Fiction: For those of you who don't have enough of the FNM new frame foil of this one, here's another one that looks EXACTLY THE SAME! Also, this is to add to your collection of $2 uncommons you're paying $400 for.Chainer's Edict: Aside from this being the 8th (!) card in this box set worth $2 or less, here's a card that was played in exactly 1 deck in exactly 1 format ever. Once again, we could have given you Mirari's Wake to represent the block for which the Mirari WAS THE FREAKING EXPANSION SYMBOL, but instead here's some more junk. We weere considering giving you all a foil Upheaval for your cubes, but that's banned in Commander, so here you go.Akroma's Vengeance: And now, to represent the format which brought you "It's an Angel! Kill it!", and even representing a deck which played said angel and played it as a 4-of, here's an overcosted board sweeper. If you liked Planar Cleansing, hoo boy will you like this one.Gilded Lotus: When I think of Mirrodin Block, I think not of the deck which was ported almost directlty from Block Constructed to Legacy and caused the largest set of Standard bannings in Magic's history. No, I don't think of that at all. I don't think of Arcbound Ravager, I don't think of Disciple of the Vault, I don't even think of the Artifact Lands or Cranial Plating. I think of 5 mana ramp spells that were so expensive that they only saw play in formats where Urza block cards could power them out. Oh and by the way, it has "Lotus" in the name.Ink-Eyes: From the block that brought you Gifts Ungiven, Sensei's Top, and Umezawa's Jitte, here's a $5 rare that's been reprinted as a prerelease promo and in a Planechase deck. You know, we really thought this could be Kokusho (also featured in this deck), but then we thought we'd rather piss off all of you who bought Modern Masters hoping to pull actual Modern staples by putting the dragons there instead. So here's a giant middle finger for the rest of you too.Char: Alright, this one I actually have nothing to complain about, the explanation for this was pretty good. The card is stone unplayable, but it was a part of Magic history.Venser, Shaper Savant: HEY LOOK! THIS DECK HAS TARMOGOYF IN IT! But you know what? Let's NOT reprint the $150 card that's serving as the biggest barrier to entry for our new fledging format we want to popularize. Instead, here's a card that's playable exactly nowhere. Have fun guys!Chameleon Colossus: From the block that brought you Bitterblossom, Vivid-Pool manabases, and "Profane Command all legal targets" comes...ANOTHER BULK RARE! HOORAY!!!!!Cruel Ultimatum: Again, this one is actually legit.Jace, The Mind Sculptor: We wanted a Planeswalker, so we took the biggest Planeswalker we could find and threw it into the set, just to remind all of you how badly we screwed the pooch on our new mechanic. We also needed an excuse to shove all these jank cards into this box set we're claiming costs $40 but we know will cost $400. Also, we needed a way to print cards that aren't Standard legal, despite all our constant whining that we can never do such a thing. So, by surprise magic, we have done the impossible, by reprinting Jace without making him Standard-legal! Green Sun's Zenith: Hey, remember that card we banned in Modern because it made green decks too good? Here you go, more copies of that card you can't use in any format! Oh, and about that "banned in Commander" excuse for Upheaval above, that was...er...yeah. Ignore the man behind the curtain. These are not the droids you're looking for.Kessig Wolf Run: From the format that showed you how we can print 6/2 flying creatures with upside for 3 mana, here's...ANOTHER BULK RARE! But it's relevant, we promise. Up until now we've shown you 1st place decks (except for Char and Cruel, which were understandable), but to show you how awesome Wolf Run is, here's a deck THAT DIDN'T EVEN WIN THE TOURNAMENT! How about that guys?Thanks, Gavin. Thanks.
I understand most of your logic, but there is one point where you contradict yourself. You mention that Gavin chose to reprint Venser instead of Good 'Ol Goyf and that angers you, but then later on in your argument you complain how shoving Jace in the set makes the set so much more expensive. If Gavin did add Goyf instead of Venser I'm pretty sure you would be complaining how the product is going to cost $800 instead of being happy they added Goyf instead of a bulk rare like Venser.The main point is that we all want different things in Magic and life in general. Mark Rosewater always mentions that he tries to aim his product at the bulk of the crowd because trying to aim towards everyone's needs is impossible. I'm sure there will be people out there that will buy this product and be perfectly content with it. I don't mean to cause an argument here, that's not my intention at all. My point is that everyone's complaining just makes them sound whiny and irritating. It's comparative to someone who hates pickles running around complaining about how much he hates pickles. That person should just not eat pickles and then stop mentioning his hatred for the altered cucumber. Likewise you should not buy this product and not worry about how this product wasn't aimed towards what you wanted. Personally I would never buy this product, but I won't complain about it because I don't want to ruin the pleasure for the people that will enjoy it.Sorry for the rant, but the constant complaining across the magic community is really starting to bug me.
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192884403 wrote:surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
(c'mon, they're dragons - nobody actually plays dragons competitively)
(c'mon, they're dragons - nobody actually plays dragons competitively)You mean like the Thundermaw Hellkite that Shahar played to win the World Championship this year?
Anyway, something else that would have been really neat would have been to stick Serra Angel into this FtV - modern border, old art. Now that would have been sweet. Not worth much monetarily, but it would nostalgia the hell out of the older players.
My biggest disappointment was the power level of some cards over others. For instance Chainer's Edict over Pychatog, Pychatog was a much more era defining card that edict. I wish we were able to keep some flavor and an iconic feel to the set. I would have also preferred Lightning Helix over char because that was the pivotal and remember-able moment. I understand that balance and collector value is important. I would hope in the future that playability of cards would be used. Wall of blossoms was a great card but hasn't seen play in a long time. However, birds of paradise is still a playable card and much more expressing of magic's history. This would have been a great product if most of the cards saw play even if they weren't the highest of dollar value cards. For example, Dark Ritual and Swords to Plowshares are great additions because they are highly playable cards.
My goal for this product: be awesome.erdana, sans-serif; color:#000000; font-style:normal; font-variant:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px">Or, perhaps, said less succinctly but more objectively: give players cards they love and want to both own and play with.
I might not be quite aware of the way things work at the back of the shops but, do anyone knows why, if Wizards set the MSRP at around 40$, shops are allowed to sell it at more than 400$/3xx€ ?? I have just spoke with some vendors and they told me so.
I mean, that's way over 1000% of its value...
Do Wizards sell the product to the shops way over 40$ so they have to increase the prices in order to get their benefit, or they are just acting waaaaay too greedy and Wizards doesn't give a **** about their plans for the product, though they say they care...
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Hi everyone!Thanks for all of your feedback. As the lead on From the Vault, I'm constantly working to make the future ones even better A lot of you have left notes saying that you don't like the contents of this box - I'd be interested more in specifics of what is bothering you about it. A few of you have mentioned many of the early cards not encapsulating Magic's history well enough, which is interesting to me because cards like Swords to Plowshares, Dark Ritual, mana elves, Hymn, Wall of Blossoms, etc, all feel like staple cards of the game that are hallmarks of the era. Even today, these cards are sought after by players and used in Vintage/Legacy and Commander/Cube. (And foil versions of these cards are especially sought after, which is odd to me considering the jank claim some of you have made.) Anyway, I'd be curious for some more in depth detail. Please, let me know what you think - and the more specifics, the better.
Hi everyone!...Anyway, I'd be curious for some more in depth detail. Please, let me know what you think - and the more specifics, the better.