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My temple name is Elohim. What is your super-secret temple name?
Riddle me this
How can two people with physical bodies make spirit babies?
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Trek Wars?!
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
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So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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Miller? Great. More fascism at the theatre.
Trek Wars?!


The Borg assimilated the Sith?
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All two of them!?
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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The fandom will be annoying. 
Its about damn time they give us a Bat-Man/Superman movie, heres hoping that they got to team up to fight Composite Superman!
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I'd still rather watch Gina Carano in a Wonder Woman movie.
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56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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All two of them!?


I was referring to the actual species, not the wannabes who call themselves Sith.
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Now that would make for an awesome movie!
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This is not a trapp
My temple name is Elohim. What is your super-secret temple name?
Riddle me this
How can two people with physical bodies make spirit babies?
*Two points about this gag. Firstly, every writer of anything makes typos and I’m no different. It’s “there but for the grace of God go I” rather than schadenfreude here. The second is something called Muphry’s Law (no, it is Muphry’s, not Murphy’s) which states that any piece correcting or laughing at a typo, spelling or grammatical mistake will contain at least one worse than the original being complained of.
So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing. 
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So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing. 


yes because one quote gives everything away 

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When are people going to realize that DC heroes suck?
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When are people going to realize that DC heroes suck?


same time that folks realize that self posioning is stupid too

ThorvaldHafgrimsson wrote:
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Um...no.
DC heroes suck.
All of them.
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Um...no.
DC heroes suck.
All of them.




Just wanted to reiterate this.

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When are people going to realize that DC heroes suck?


same time that folks realize that self posioning is stupid too


When people realize that the idea of space souls is stupid.
I'd still rather watch Gina Carano in a Wonder Woman movie.



  Mostly cuz she's hawt.  Mostly also cuz Superman is hella lame.

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Yeah, I'm sure Bale won't reconsider when he sees the 8 figure offer with backend money.  Terrible or not this thing's gonna make bank.
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How can you make the superman francise worse then it already is?

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Chargeburgler with cheese Ranged attacks at the end of a charge along with perma-stealth. Solid, could be overpowered if tweaked.

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Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.

Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.

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Trek Wars?!

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88534793 wrote:
75239035 wrote:
Still waiting for your explanation CJ...
So you can't read?
Better than you can answer a question. Why don't you humor me and answer my question so a 3 year old could understand the answer?
So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing. 


yes because one quote gives everything away 



Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up. 
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So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing. 


yes because one quote gives everything away 



Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up. 


and that automatically means DKR? There's been millions of reasons why they fight each other : Mind control, misunderstanding etc..so yes my eye roll was warranted. DKR maybe the most famous but it isn't the only one....

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So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing. 


yes because one quote gives everything away 



Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up. 


and that automatically means DKR? There's been millions of reasons why they fight each other : Mind control, misunderstanding etc..so yes my eye roll was warranted. DKR maybe the most famous but it isn't the only one....


I never said it was going to be just like DKR, if you actually took the time to read what I said, it was: "So its more of a Dark Knight Returns (where they fight) than a World's Finest (where they mostly teamed up).  I never said oh boy theyre doing a Dark Knight Returns movie. Im starting to see why nobody likes you.
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So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing. 


yes because one quote gives everything away 



Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up. 


and that automatically means DKR? There's been millions of reasons why they fight each other : Mind control, misunderstanding etc..so yes my eye roll was warranted. DKR maybe the most famous but it isn't the only one....


I never said it was going to be just like DKR, if you actually took the time to read what I said, it was: "So its more of a Dark Knight Returns (where they fight) than a World's Finest (where they mostly teamed up).  I never said oh boy theyre doing a Dark Knight Returns movie. Im starting to see why nobody likes you.



so i missundderstood your meaning with that phrase then...

ThorvaldHafgrimsson wrote:
Life is full of choices. Sometimes you make the good ones, and sometimes you have to kill all the witnesses.
NastasiaLorn; wrote:
But then you have to pay the liability insurance.
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57131438 wrote:
most of them are bored, immature adults.
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So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing. 


yes because one quote gives everything away 



Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up. 


and that automatically means DKR? There's been millions of reasons why they fight each other : Mind control, misunderstanding etc..so yes my eye roll was warranted. DKR maybe the most famous but it isn't the only one....


I never said it was going to be just like DKR, if you actually took the time to read what I said, it was: "So its more of a Dark Knight Returns (where they fight) than a World's Finest (where they mostly teamed up).  I never said oh boy theyre doing a Dark Knight Returns movie. Im starting to see why nobody likes you.



so i missundderstood your meaning with that phrase then...



Does that mean you take back the rolling of the eyes? Seriously dude, dont ever, EVER, roll your eyes at me when it comes to comic books, or movies based thereof. Anything else is fine, but not comics damnit!! 

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When are people going to realize that DC heroes suck?

Um...no.
DC heroes suck.
All of them.

Lolno. Very, very lolno. Especially when you compare them to the competition. Who are you going to say is better? Marvel? lolspiderman'sdealwiththedevil, lolxmen, lolcivilwar, lolcrossoversandjoequesadadestroyingdecadesofcharcterization, lolrulk, lolsentry? I really could go on, but to do so would be pointless. Marvel Zombies are very rarely capable of listening to reason. Or were you going to say something like Image?
How can you make the superman francise worse then it already is?

By making it Marvel or Image? By giving it to Liefeld or Frank Miller? By Acknowledging there ever was a thing called "New 52?" I really could go on.

Or, in other words, no. Don't you go knocking Superman
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Meh. Superman's "I only have one weakness!!1!1" schtick gets old fast.
Plus, hating X-Men is racist.
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56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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Meh. Superman's "I only have one weakness!!1!1" schtick gets old fast.

Uh, have you ever read a Superman comic? Superman, while most certainly a high-tier hero, has plenty of weaknesses. Beyond Kryptonite in all of its flavors, there's magic, there's mental manipulation, there's the fact that he's a good person, and there's the fact that he fights bricks of an equal level all the time. Just because some mook can't kill him with a gun does not make his comics void of physical conflict. Further, he's even gotten the crap beaten by relatively weak villains because their powers were suited to beating him. Remember the Elite? Remember how they only lost because they went for the flashy coup-de-grace rather than simply letting Manchester Black kill his brain, and Manchester Black is nowhere near Superman's level.

So strong? Yes. Only one weakness? Hardly. Furthermore, where's this complaint about the older Green Lantern comics, where a banana suit and a number 2 pencil were enough to kill a star-killing weapon of doom? Or any of the other cosmics in Marvel. Double standard, brah.
Plus, hating X-Men is racist.



Seriously, the comics are terrible. The characters are terrible, from Jean Grey's idiotic history to Cyclops' unlikability to Emma Frost and how the psychopath is accepted and put in an authority position after all the crap she's pulled to the bizarre decision to make Professor X a psychopathic prick after Danger, just because GRIMDARK!!!1one!, the plots are either stale or just terrible(Chuck Austin's Holy War? AvX?), and the few sympathetic or generally interesting characters are either stupidly overpowered and have no business losing(Magneto) or completely nonsensical(X-231), and the few solid characters(Dust, Elixer, Shadowcat, Beast, to name a few) are completely overshadowed by the sheer level or garbage. So, much like Spider-man, the potential is there, but squandered by bizarre decisions and hack writers.

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Don't get me wrong, X-23 is an interesting character, but her very premise is completely nonsensical. She came from the X-Men Evolution-verse, where mutants were generally street or building-level in destructive capability, and Wolverine is a powerful mutant. In the main continuity, though, there are people who can casually tank nukes and fight limited-scale reality warpers while their blood is being turned to lead(Magneto is awesome), gods who can destroy planets through raw strength, people who can annihilate star systems through pure psychic might, not to mention people who can redefine and rewrite reality at a whim, and your super deadly weapon is... someone who can heal really welll and has sharp claws? That makes perfect sense
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I don't read DC, so why would I know (or care) about early Green Lantern?
Re: Marvel cosmics:
Re: X-Men: You, sir, are a racist.
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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Superman and Spiderman are easily the worst comic heroes evah.  Aquaman is more compelling.
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Superman and Spiderman are easily the worst comic heroes evah.  Aquaman is more compelling.


Wow. That is an awesome alternative post.
dood, I'm serious.  Spiderman is a whiny lamer and Superman is a Marty Stu that's incredibly boring because of his Stu-ness.  That's not alternative posting, homie.  It's fact.  ;)
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Your alternatie posting will not hurt my butt.
I don't read DC, so why would I know (or care) about early Green Lantern?

You, sir, have terrible taste.
Re: Marvel cosmics:

Yeah? Yeah? Well screw you, buddy!

Seriously, I don't mean to c ome off as a mindless DC fan, I do like a decent amount of Marvel, but seriously, in recent times Marvel has just jumped on the GRIMDARK!!!1! wagon in ways that make the 90s look sane and sensible. When I read about heroes, I want HEROES, dammit! Moral ambiguity makes some great plots, and can really improve a well-done villain, but seriously, there's a reason Batman is better than the Punisher and Cassandra Cain is my favorite comics heroine, and why Nu52, especially what they did to Captain Marvel, sucks hard1. They're good guys. That's what I want to see when I invest time and money into them. The whole sociopathic hero movement in comics these days in incredibly problematic. 
Re: X-Men: You, sir, are a racist.

Nah, I'm a gay liberal atheist, everyone knows that means I can't be racist.
Superman and Spiderman are easily the worst comic heroes evah.

Wrong. Superman is awesome. He is a fantastic character.  The personal struggles the character runs into are brilliant and moving, and he's just awesome. There's a reason he's one of the Big Three of DC. But, yeah, Spider-man sucks. The premise about "responsibility" and whatnot is totally undermined by the fact that he never shows it. The Other shows he doesn't even have life insurance. As a super hero. He behaves like he's still in high school, despite being near 30 or so. He's had no real character development except being whiny and petulent, probably second only to Emoboy Prime in sheer suckage.
Aquaman is more compelling.

That's because Aquaman is badass. If Aquaman is comparable that instantly makes someone a top-tier badass.

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Well, that and the reboot destroyed decades of character development, and is really honestly insulting, declaring the characters and teams I love are beyond saving, and it's easier to just write the same stories over again than it is to continue the characters. I mean, sure, I'd love tosee Countdown, Gay for Justice, Identity Crisis, and so on removed, but Flashpoint could have been Zero Hour instead of condemning not just the opinions of every fan who had any emotional attachment to anyone from the Titans in all their previous incarnations to the JSA, but also just flat-out removed from existence some of the best characters ever. Barry Allen died in a badass fashion; Why was he resurrected just to wind up killing off a character with more recent, more compelling character development. Wally being unmade, Cassandra Cain and the other post-Barbara Batgirls not existing, Red Arrow being turned into a GRIMDARK!!one!(Yes, I'm in denial of the events of Rise of Arsenal) and destroying his history including unmaking Lian Harper, one of the most adorable characters ever, hell even destroying the brilliant character development for Barbara's time as Oracle, it's just a disaster, and honestly declaring all that brilliant history and awesome characters pointless, and just removing it all together in favor of GRIMDARK!!!11one! and the ability to retell a few stories is not just lazy, but is insulting to me as a fan.

Also, seriously, the destruction of the core concept of Captain Marvel and the Marvel Family, Billy Batson being the sickeningly sweet, absolutely pure good guy is stupid beyond words. I hate, hate, HATE nu52.
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...Superman is a Marty Stu that's incredibly boring because of his Stu-ness.

You sure we read the same comic? Superman is a great character .He has a fascinating character, great development, faces real challenges, hell, Batman is closer to being a Sue than Supes.
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You sure we read the same comic? Superman is a great character .He has a fascinating character, great development, faces real challenges, hell, Batman is closer to being a Sue than Supes.



Oh yeah, Batman should totally call himself Sue Wayne.  That said, Supes is definitely a Stu.  Able to do all the crap he does and only beatable by people of the same totally stupid level of power pretty much says that.  Hmm ok, to be fair he may have started as a Stu and then they tried to fix him by giving him actual challenges or something, I dunno.  What I do know, though, is that creating a character that's basically god incarnate and placing him on the same planet you live on is pretty much textbook Stu.  Not Goodkind level Stu but close.
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No, it isn't. Or I guess Swamp Thing is a Sue, too, despite being basically mindless and made of plants. And the Hulk is a Sue because of his powerset. Dex-star the Red Lantern? So Sue-ish Catwoman is turned into a Sue just by  association to cats. Iron Man? That drunkard who can barely keep his life together on his good days? Totes textbook Sue, and let's not forget how Professor X is so Sue-like the writers take every opportunity to destroy the character, because GRIMDARK!!!one1! and you can't have even one honestly nice guy.

Or, in other words, your definition of Sue is a bit flawed.

Re: Superman: Look, while I agree the power level in comics is a bit flawed(Although my big complaint lies in speed rather than strength and durability, but that's neither here nor there), calling Supes unbeatable is disingenuous at best. The Elite took him to school, and they were B-listers in power. Telepaths own him, he's gotten beaten by weak cosmics with infrastructure, For the Man who has Everything, Mongul won without throwing a punch, and that's ignoring magic. Sure, he's a powerhouse, but not only is he not unbeatable,, his best stories don't even focus on the physical conflict, but rather character conflict.

Would comics be more enjoyable if they were more in line with the DCAU in terms of power? Sure. But you're taking the complaint quite a bit too far. 
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Meh. Superman's "I only have one weakness!!1!1" schtick gets old fast. Plus, hating X-Men is racist.



Someones probably already pointed this out, but I only made it this far in the thread so far, but Superman has lots of weaknesses, Green Kryptonite, Gold Kryptonite, Red Kryptonite, Plaid Krptonite, and the tar infused Kryptonite that Richard Pryor made that makes Superman split off into two different people. 
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Superman and Spiderman are easily the worst comic heroes evah.  Aquaman is more compelling.



Just when I think theres no way you could get any more reTardis.
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Says the Dr Who fan ... ;)
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