Is the Disciple of Dispater the only one?

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i was looking at the disciple of dispater and im quite fond of his Iron Power ability. the only issue is that to get it you need to be evil (i already made a character and he is good, it goes with the campaign). my question is, is there another class that has the same skill, maybe called something else? i want a class skill that triples crit threat and is stackable with improved crit. the exact same ability, just for a good character. if not well, i guess i can suicide my character, would really rather not resort to that mess though.
Nope. It's unique.

Don't worry too much. Critfisher builds that rely on more attacks have higher damage output anyway. 15-20 should be a good enough start point.

What's the rest of the build you're using, and what books are allowed? Chances are we can make a critfisher excel with just that range.

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im pretty sure anything is allowed seeing as im a gestalt cleric/ranger. i'll have to ask to make sure but assume that anything is allowed. im currently using shield/sword, sword being a bastard sword (i have the exotic weapons feat to allow me to use it one handed). we are running an undead campaign so a majority of the monsters i fight are immune to crits, but the really tough ones are almost always planar creatures or some other kind of non-undead so im wanting to be highly effective against them. crits are the way i want to go, i'll have multiple weapons with different properties for extreme cases. right now i just wanna focus on crit though. (my team members are also kinda unpredictable so i imagine i may need to fight them from time to time).
im pretty sure anything is allowed seeing as im a gestalt cleric/ranger. i'll have to ask to make sure but assume that anything is allowed. im currently using shield/sword, sword being a bastard sword (i have the exotic weapons feat to allow me to use it one handed). we are running an undead campaign so a majority of the monsters i fight are immune to crits, but the really tough ones are almost always planar creatures or some other kind of non-undead so im wanting to be highly effective against them. crits are the way i want to go, i'll have multiple weapons with different properties for extreme cases. right now i just wanna focus on crit though. (my team members are also kinda unpredictable so i imagine i may need to fight them from time to time).


...There's so much here that could be improved.

1) Undead heavy game, and you want crits - this is going to be very counterproductive and very expensive.
2) Sword and board is not conductive to critical hits (nor to melee damage in general) and your goal is to try to be offensive.
3) Bastard swords are not crit-friendly weapons (or very good weapons at all - there are much better one-handed exotics, but you can already use it two-handed, and the greatsword is better than the bastard in all senses if you're comparing two-handers).
4) Cleric and Ranger really don't support each other in this sense. It's not a bad combination, but gestalt has so many places to tweak that this combination is actually pretty weak. Plus your weapon selection really doesn't work well with either class.

Honestly, a straightforward ubercharger would be more effective here, particularly one who can support that charging with killer buffs while still bringing along powerful counter-magic or planar magic when "hit stuff with stick" isn't an option. Cleric // Ubercharge build is the way to go.

Ubercharging, for the record, is Power Attack, Shock Trooper (from Complete Warrior), and anything you can get for damage multipliers. Examples of common multipliers (the bare minimum to be considered an ubercharger proper) are Pounce (Barbarian 1 from Complete Champion) and Leap Attack (Complete Adventurer; if you're an orc, Headlong Rush from Races of Faerun is better), plus a Valorous weapon (+1 equivalent, deals double damage on a charge). Abilities to aim charges better (i.e. flight, Twisted Charge) are always appropriate as well but somewhat more varied. You Power Attack for full with any two-handed weapon (greatsword is the benchmark for a reason and it's VERY hard to beat; that said, ANY two hander, even a broom handle, will be pretty close since all the damage is coming from Power Attack instead of the weapon), shunt the penalty to your AC through Shock Trooper, charge into something, and  dish out more damage than you've probably ever seen at the table, and the thing turns into chunky salsa.

There's usually enough room in a build like this for a few spare feats, particularly if you're using the right cleric domains (hint: Undeath and Planning), which can let you squeeze in Divine Metamagic, which lets your cleric buffs last all day. Do what you can to get their caster level high at the start of the day and they'll be more effective and resistant to dispels. These buffs will turn you into a demigod warrior - and you'll still have full casting (or nearly full casting, depending on prestige options) to bring out banishment spells, alignment-based wipe spells, and general magical protection for the whole team on the side on rounds you aren't instasplatting everything.



To make better use of critical hits, a build might, say, employ Warblade for Blood in the Water, use a falchion, dual kukris, or a Valenar double scimitar (depending on class preferences and starting level), and look into effects that allow many, many more attacks than normal (Robilar's Gambit, Double Hit, certain martial maneuvers, and so on).  Sure, it's "only" 15-20, but if you're making eight attacks per turn or so, you're getting critical hits up the wazoo. You use these not for serious damage, but rather to deliver critical hit carrier effects (a favorite of mine is Dessicating Burst - two crits and the target takes -6 Strength, -6 Dexterity, moves at half speed, can't charge or run, and can't get rid of these penalties for an hour without magical assistance). The damage they deal is secondary (but with things like Blood in the Water it can get pretty ridiculous).

There are rare effects that might add +1 to a critical threat range under some circumstances (Psychic Weapon Master, Streetfighter barbarian) but these are generally not worth the effort to get when honestly a well-built 15-20 is going to be as good, if not better, due to having better options.

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If it's allowed, kaorti resin is a special material that changes a weapon's critical multiplier to *4.  It has no effect on critical threat range, so it's possible to have an 18-20/*4 weapon.  The down side is that a weapon made from kaorti resin requires exotic weapon proficiency.  

With a kaorti resin falchion and either keen or improved critical your critical would be 15-20/*4.  With the 8th-level version of iron power, the improved critical feat, and a falchion, your critical would be 9-20/*2.  Interestingly, 15-20/*4 deals more damage on average than 9-20/*2, and kaorti resin is completely incompatible with iron power. 
Bastard Sword. Throw that away and go buy some keen rapiers/kukri. Two of them. Then Buy the truedeath augment crystals from magic item compendium. (Guessing on name, the one that lets you crit undead).

Also, being a cleric means never buying better than +1 keen rapiers, and casting greater magic weapon yourself each morning. In case you hadn't seen that one. 1hr/level

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I'd go Cleric//Warblade/ScullclanHunter/Warblade.

IIRC, Skullclan Hunter has the ability to crit undead and requires the TU feature, which you have.  If most of what you are going to be fighting is undead, gear up a bit for it.  Don't OVERDO it, but take advantage of that knowledge.
i should have also pointed out that instead of AC from armor its damage reduction, thats a big reason why i have a shield. the AC from a shield is still AC while armor is DR. i have a chain shirt so instead of 4 AC i have 4 DR. im also the only one in the party that can take a hit, thats why instead of specializing in one area ive kinda branched out into everything, defense wise im good, i dont get hit too often and when i do it almost never breaks my DR. i just wanted to up my damage against the non-undead type we fight (we are level 2 and everyone else almost got killed by this dog thing, i wanna say it was a displacer beast but im not too sure). the crits arent for undead, the undead we fight arent too much of a problem, i more often then not one shot them with my bastard sword. the crits arent also only for non-undead we fight, my 'team' is kinda unpredictable and i want to be able to put them down if it comes to that.
i only picked the ranger/cleric combo for the skills. my main class is cleric, i just didn't like the lack of skills so i asked if i could gestalt ranger (partially for the ranger spell list and the ranger specials seeing as i will probably use a mithril breastplate so i can still use the ranger fighting style, havent decided yet). i picked this to be self sufficient, skills are as important, maybe more important then outright combat in our campaign. as is ive already had to share my trail rations a couple times to keep people from starving, so a sword isnt the only danger. my domains are healing and sun i believe, the domain that gives you greater turning. the more i think about it the more i hate the character i made, i never make a support character.
I'd go Cleric//Warblade/ScullclanHunter/Warblade.

IIRC, Skullclan Hunter has the ability to crit undead and requires the TU feature, which you have.  If most of what you are going to be fighting is undead, gear up a bit for it.  Don't OVERDO it, but take advantage of that knowledge.




i like the skullclan hunter, i didnt even know about that. im gonna see if i can use that, if so i'm all set, thanks man

Is there a class that gives you turn undead and has a Good BAB progression besides the paladin? (too many restrictions) i dont need to have turn undead first level like a cleric, but within five would be nice so i can be a skullclan hunter ASAP
Ruby Knight Vindicator increases it if you already have it. Iirc Cleric 4/Crusader 1 can get you in with only 1 lost point of BAB.
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Weapons made from kaorti resin are not made of iron, and thus not usable with the Iron Power of a DoDispater.

Even if your DM would allow it, which I severely doubt.

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i was looking at the disciple of dispater and im quite fond of his Iron Power ability. the only issue is that to get it you need to be evil (i already made a character and he is good, it goes with the campaign). my question is, is there another class that has the same skill, maybe called something else? i want a class skill that triples crit threat and is stackable with improved crit. the exact same ability, just for a good character. if not well, i guess i can suicide my character, would really rather not resort to that mess though.

There is this. Not exactly what you're looking for, and it sucks, but it's the closest thing there is.



you werent kidding, it does suck, a lot
Another class which increases the crit multiplier is the Deepwood Sniper from Masters of the Wild. But is is 3.0 and only works for bows.
Disciple of Dispater is also 3.0, and the only reason people seem to think its crit ability still works the way they want is the rather tenuous argument, "It wasn't updated to 3.5."


So if you think Disciple of Dispater works, then other 3.0 classes work in 3.5 exactly as written. And I mean exactly, like even having skills that no longer exist in 3.5. So knock yourself out with Deepwood Sniper.
Disciple of Dispater is also 3.0, and the only reason people seem to think its crit ability still works the way they want is the rather tenuous argument, "It wasn't updated to 3.5."

That's not a "tenuous argument," that's "the rules."

Seriously, did you bump a two month old thread just to complain about 3.0 material?

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A) Class X was printed in a 3.0 book and is not updated to 3.5.
B) The WotC position is that material in 3.0 books that has not been updated for use is permissible in 3.5 games.
C) Class X can be used in 3.5 games exactly as written.  

It is a tenuous argument. Things that are unupdated still need modification to fit in 3.5 games - at the very least changes to skill lists. The contention that 3.0 material is totally fine verbatim is thus fundamentally flawed. It always has been.

And everything in these forums is friggin' old. Lack of traffic and all.
A) Class X was printed in a 3.0 book and is not updated to 3.5.
B) The WotC position is that material in 3.0 books that has not been updated for use is permissible in 3.5 games.
C) Class X can be used in 3.5 games exactly as written.  

It is a tenuous argument.

No, it really isn't. They're permissible. Therefore, they can be used.
It's kinda the definition of the word, you konw.
Things that are unupdated still need modification to fit in 3.5 games - at the very least changes to skill lists. The contention that 3.0 material is totally fine verbatim is thus fundamentally flawed. It always has been.

Flawed rules? In 3.5? No, really?
And everything in these forums is friggin' old. Lack of traffic and all.

Check the front page.

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Did you even bother to read what you quoted?

Whether any given 3.0 material is permissible is not in question. What matters is whether it is usable unaltered, and the official position is exactly not that.
Did you even bother to read what you quoted?

Did you even bother to read what you typed?
Whether any given 3.0 material is permissible is not in question. What matters is whether it is usable unaltered, and the official position is exactly not that.

What.

Yeah, no. 3.0 material is usable as-is because, y'know, those are the rules. Dead stop. The end. 

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Okay, since you are clearly trolling, we're done.
Okay, since I am clearly trolling, we're done.

Okay, but it would have saved a lot of time if you were that upfront earlier.

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These are NOT all my creations! The lead authors are identified as follows: [TS] Tempest Stormwind, [AR] Andarious Rosethorn, [RT] Radical Taoist, [SN] Sionnis, [DH] DisposableHero_, [SH] Seishi.

[TS] The Pinball Brothers: Large And In Charge (Melee, Lockdown, Charge, Juggling)
[TS] Ashardalon Reborn: I Will Swallow Your Soul (Melee, Fear, Negative Levels, AoE, Theme)
[AR] "A"-Game Paladin: Play That Funky Music, Knight Boy! (Team Support, Melee, Theme, Single-Class)
[RT] Uncanny Trapsmith: Get in, make it look like an accident, get out. (Skillmonkey, Stealth/Scout/Infiltration, Unorthodox Methods, Theme)
[AR] Wizsassin: *Everything* is permitted. (Spellcaster, Support, Sneak Attack, Utility)
[TS] Phantom Rush: General Gish Gouda. (Gish, Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Early-Entry PrC)
[TS] Storm Knight: Another kind of gish. (Melee/"Gish", Theme, Setting-Specific(Eberron), Unorthodox Methods)
[TS] Inevitable Nightmare: The weapon you only have to fire once. (Melee, "Unorthodox" Methods (no charging), Reliability)
[AR] Captain Constitution: The number one threat to America. (Melee, TOUGHTOUGHTOUGH, Defense, Theme)
[AR] Nuker: I casts the spells that makes the peoples fall down! (Spellcaster, damage, blasting, damage)
[TS] Dread Lord of the Dead: Let the Reaping Begin! (NPC-only, Variable (combat/casting/leadership), Iconic Villain, Theme)
[AR] Heavy Crusader: No Rest. No Mercy. No Matter What. (Melee, Damage (No charging), Variable, Theme).
[TS] Gun Fu: It's bullet time (Ranged, THEORETICAL, Twin weapons, Theme)
[RT] Face First: We should talk. (Psionic, social, mind-control, info-management)
[SN] Chaingun Porcupine: Never Enuff Dakka. (Ranged, Skirmishing, Spike Damage, Incarnum)
[RT] Always On Edge: The Mortal Draw deals death. (Melee, Generalist, Dungeoneering, Stunt)
[AR] Feral Druid: Real feral taste. Zero druid calories. (Melee, offense, damage, murder)
[RT] Rusty!: Man's Best Friend (Sentry, Support, Backup, Rearguard)
[RT] The T3 (Tashalatora Triple Threat): My Kung Fu is More Powerful (Hybrid, Flex-Function, Melee, Caster)
[RT] The #1 Snoipah: Boom. 'Eadshot. (Caster, Theme, Spike, Trapscout)
[AR] Dreamblade: Rest in Pieces. (Melee, Damage, Single-Class, Combo/Momentum)
[AR] Evasion Tank: “When fighting angry blind men, is best to stay out of the way.” (Melee, Tank, Unorthodox Methods (attack negation), Theme)
[DH] Psycarnum Warrior: ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA Start (Melee, Tank, Psionics, Incarnum, 1337 h4x)
[AR] Heavy Weapons Elf: WHO TOUCHED MY BOW? (Ranged, Cohort, Damage, Unorthodox Methods (ranged ToB))
[RT] Gnowhere Gnome: A little man who wasn't there (Caster, Stealth, Single-Class, Elusive)
[AR] Uberflank: I got your back. (Melee, support, stunt, teamwork)
[TS] Flip the Bird: Everyday I'm shuffling (Ranged, harrier, unorthodox methods (ranged ToB / off-turn movement), support)
[DH] Eat Sleep Gank: Real Ultimate Power (Stealth, Assassination, Spike, Magic Versatility)
[AR] Slash and Burn: Mind, Body, Blade, Flame / Aspects of a greater whole / which delivers death. (Melee, Theme (flex-style), Damage, Stunt)
[RT] Edge of the Light: Cut, Fade to Black (Melee, Defense/Offense, Momentum, Tactical)
[RT] Quiet Murder: Cut throats, not corners. (Melee, Stealth, Harrier, Tactical)
[TS] Wand Overdrive: Say Hello to my little friends. (Caster, support/artillery/variable, wand specialist)
[RT] God Hand: What did the five fingers say to the face? (Melee/Gish, Unarmed, SAD, Theme)
[AR] Zero Buff Time Gish: Try to keep up! (Gish, Speed, Movement, Opportunity)
[TS] Robo Tackle: I Am Iron Man. (Melee, setting-specific (Eberron), positioning, theme, stunt)

[TS] Holy Fire: Just getting warmed up! (Casting, damage, theme (fire), theme (sacred), blasting)

[TS] Groundhog Mage: ♪Let’s do the time warp again♪ (Casting, stunt, setting-specific (Faerun), spell stamina / versatility, spontaneous wizard)

[RT] Captain Charisma: All she wants to do is dance (Hybrid (melee/support), SAD, Theme (criticals), Theme (flex-style)

[TS] Assassin's Speed: A blade in the crowd (Melee (technical), iaijutsu, SAD, theme (Assassin's Creed), tutorial)

 

Want to see how the entire group rolls?
[All] Party Optimization Showcase: Dead for Nothing
[TS/RT/AR] Optimization Article: The Flash Step
[RT] Optimization Article: Kung Fu Witchcraft

 

Seishi: I think it might be fun to have a one-off [game] tuned fairly, but with the intention of wiping the party. 

DisposableHero_: if [my campaign] has taught me nothing else, it is that with this group, nothing tuned fairly will ever wipe the party

RadicalTaoist: I've been throwing **** at this group that's 5 levels over CRed in DFN, and have yet to wipe the party.