Good vs Evil Gods?

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I was wondering if their are Good and Evil gods that are specifically designated as enemies or each other, or perhaps it at least strongly implied to be opponents. Off the top of my head I can think of Bahamut and Tiamat. Are there any others?

-Grummish is against whichever god/dess shot out his eye.
-The Gnomish God something something Glittergold is against someone (I forget who).
-The Demon Prince of the Undead, Orcus, wants the Raven Queen's Throne.
-I think Bane and Kord have some kind of squabble.

That's all I can think of right now.

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This is highly setting and DM dependant.

In the established 4E fluff:

Gruumsh and Corellan are enemies.

Lloth is opposed by Corellan and Selune.

Bane is looked down upon because he came to the party late during the Dawn War.

All of the other gods are leery of the Raven Queen because of how quickly she rose from being a mortal to one of the more powerful gods.

After that, there is plenty of reason for tension between gods of all alignments. If you need proof of that, just look to the followers of Mohammed, Abraham and Jesus. The same god, three different religions which have fought with each other for centuries because they refuse to acknowledge their similarities and are willing to kill and die over their differences.
It also depends on timeline/edition. For example, in FR 2e, Cyric was opposed by both Kelemvor & Mystra, Selune and Shar were mortal enemies, and Tymora and the goddess of Unluck (I forget her name) were mortal enemies... But Lathander (briefly) opposed them BOTH because he was in live with their predecessor.
I haven't played any FR for a looooooong time, so I have no idea how many of those gods made it to 3e, let alone 4.
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
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 It depends on what edition you're playing, and what campaign world you're using.

 In 4E...

 Gruumsh is pissed at Corellon for shooting out his eye...

 Lolth is opposed by Corellon and Selune, because of the events that separated the drow from the elves and eladrin...

 Orcus is feuding with the Raven Queen because of their opposing views of undeath... (ALthough in this case it's more of a territorial dispute than anything else)

 And Tiamat and Bahamut are opposed to each other because they're the two opposite halves of the god Io...

 4E has a much more generalized take on the gods than the previous editions, so not too many of them have specific nemeses or all-consuming grudges against each other.

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And even if it did, you could easily change it as you desire.
Tymora and the goddess of Unluck (I forget her name) were mortal enemies... But Lathander (briefly) opposed them BOTH because he was in live with their predecessor. I haven't played any FR for a looooooong time, so I have no idea how many of those gods made it to 3e, let alone 4.



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and all the Gods you mentioned are still around in 4e , but Lathander is now Amaunator. 
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Moradin the dwarf pantheon head also hate Gruumsh alot.
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Moradin the dwarf pantheon head also hate Gruumsh alot.



Haters gonna hate.
my campaign has a lot in it about the legacy of Arkhosia and Bael Turath so I focus on how it was a proxy war between Bahamut and Asmodeus that is still ongoing

Bane is looked down upon because he came to the party late during the Dawn War.



Actually he was first one to actually score victories against the primordials, the name Bane is because he is the bane of the primordials. He was put in charge as general of the gods due to his proficiency in warfare. He became disliked because after the war he wanted to still be in charge.
Amaunator!? When/how did he come back? It was the Netherese, wasn't it?
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
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So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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> -The Gnomish God something something Glittergold
> is against someone (I forget who).

Kurtulmak the kobold god, but AFAIK neither one exists as a god in the 4E PoL cosmology - they're both exarchs of other gods.

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That same cosmology has plenty of rivalries but they don't necessarily break down along good-vs-evil lines, and doesn't break things down along good-vs-evil lines in general; a good god and an evil god might well be chummy if they share common interests (or face a common threat).

This has something to do with the fact that they aren't the undisputed overlords of creation - there are other powers out there that are more powerful than any individual god and some of which could overpower them if they failed to maintain a united front against those outside threats and maintain their 'treaties' with various other forces.
I thought Bane was looked down on because he's a shadow of his former self, with Cyric holding most of his portfolio.
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
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So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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Amaunator!? When/how did he come back? It was the Netherese, wasn't it?



Im not sure when he came back esactly, Its one of the things they changed in 4e, but they were kinda setting it up in 3.xe with the Risin Sun Heresy.
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I thought Bane was looked down on because he's a shadow of his former self, with Cyric holding most of his portfolio.



Well, Bane has gotten alot of his power back, and has only grown in power since his return, Tiamat and most of the other dark (excluding Shar, and Cyric) have fallen under his sway. So in 4e Realms Bane is just as powerful, if not more so, than he has ever been.

but I believe most peole in this thread are talking about Core Bane, which is a different god than the FR Bane. To further complicate matters, for whatever reason FR Bane has decided to change his holy symbol to match that of Core Bane's. 
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Bane is looked down upon because he came to the party late during the Dawn War.



Actually he was first one to actually score victories against the primordials, the name Bane is because he is the bane of the primordials. He was put in charge as general of the gods due to his proficiency in warfare. He became disliked because after the war he wanted to still be in charge.



Remind me a bit where is the story of the primordial war located, I'm interested in some Lolth/correlion interraction which takes place here in.