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Never played it and never plan too.

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Never played it and never plan too.

Yeah, always seemed like garbage to me.
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141722973 wrote:
And it wasn't ****. It was subjectively concensual sex.
57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
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58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
I used to laugh at the people I knew that played it during the rare times  i'd see them away from the computer.

My fav is South park bashing it with Randy holding the USB flash drive "Sword of Epic Truth" or something. I bet there's plenty of people like that out there. 

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Chia pet, don't lie.
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56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
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So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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Chia pet, don't lie.

Huh?
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141722973 wrote:
And it wasn't ****. It was subjectively concensual sex.
57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
You play tabletop WoW.
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56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
Resident Pithed-Off Dragon Poon Slayer of the House of Trolls
You play tabletop WoW.

And you play "casters R God, All Others Use Service Entrace."
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141722973 wrote:
And it wasn't ****. It was subjectively concensual sex.
57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
How would you know? You've never played - by your own admission.
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56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
Resident Pithed-Off Dragon Poon Slayer of the House of Trolls
How would you know? You've never played - by your own admission.

I've heard stories, man!
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141722973 wrote:
And it wasn't ****. It was subjectively concensual sex.
57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
You play tabletop WoW.

And you play "casters R God, All Others Use Service Entrace."


It's called Tome of Battle. Read it. Learn it. Love it with the jealous passion of a celebrity stalker.
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@chia pet: Plus, only douchebags intentionally played it like that... Which probably explains EA's adulation.
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56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
Resident Pithed-Off Dragon Poon Slayer of the House of Trolls
@chia pet: Plus, only douchebags intentionally played it like that... Which probably explains EA's adulation.




Meh. I'd rather play a system where it takes creativity to spice up the game than one where it takes creativity to balance it. But YMMV.
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141722973 wrote:
And it wasn't ****. It was subjectively concensual sex.
57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
It doesn't take creativity to not blow the game out of the water; all it takes is not going the "I R God!!!" route. Even with 9th-level spells, all you have to do is not be a douche.
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56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
Resident Pithed-Off Dragon Poon Slayer of the House of Trolls
@chia pet: Plus, only douchebags intentionally played it like that... Which probably explains EA's adulation.




Meh. I'd rather play a system where it takes creativity to spice up the game than one where it takes creativity to balance it. But YMMV.


Unlike 4E, you don't need to warp the game to make it interesting. But you can modify 3.5 to make it better. Unlike 4E, it's pretty easy to modify 3.5, as you don't need to worry about making it bland balanced.
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3.5? Really? 3.5 was crap! They totally ruined the Ranger. 3e is where its at. 

and really you  can modify 4e just fine, havnt had any problems with it. 
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3.5? Really? 3.5 was crap! They totally ruined the Ranger. 3e is where its at. 

and really you  can modify 4e just fine, havnt had any problems with it. 


As I recall, the 3E ranger was even worse. Besides, Mystic Rangers (a variant) are awesome.
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Whats even worse about getting a d10 for HD? 

And whats that Mystic Ranger from? Im not familiar with that one. Do they get a d10 for HD?  
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Whats even worse about getting a d10 for HD? 

And whats that Mystic Ranger from? Im not familiar with that one. Do they get a d10 for HD?  


D10 Hit Die doesn't really mean much. The important thing is the actual mechanics of the class. Both 3E and 3.5 rangers are pretty bad there, as they were designed as a half-assed mix of fighter and spellcaster. From what I can tell, the 3E ranger was somehow even weaker to "balance" the combination of spell and steel.

The Mystic Ranger is a Dragon Magazine variant. It trades a few relatively minor class features for a decent spellcasting progression. The ranger spell list isn't that bad, rangers are just so bad at casting that it seems poor. It's actually a pretty cool way to do an archer build, as it trades martial melee weapon proficiencies as well as its rather weak animal companion. Rules are here, seeing as old issues of Dragon are harder to come by.
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I dunno, I just think the Ranger should be more of a "Fighter" type, Which I thought they did ok with in 3e, 3.5 though ,I dont know it seemed more Rogueish i guess, which does kinda work, but I think they should of just called it something else like a scout or something. 
Yeah, thats my main beef with 3.5, aside from the fact that they just reprinted all the same crap and expected you to buy it again. 
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Yeah, thats my main beef with 3.5, aside from the fact that they just reprinted all the same crap and expected you to buy it again. 


So do not buy it. It is part of the reasons why I didn't dig 4e. Why buy yet again the fighter, the wizard and the illithid?
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Yeah, thats my main beef with 3.5, aside from the fact that they just reprinted all the same crap and expected you to buy it again. 


So do not buy it. It is part of the reasons why I didn't dig 4e. Why buy yet again the fighter, the wizard and the illithid?



Well right, I didnt buy it, at first. But all the people I played with were like "Oh, you cant use that, THIS is a 3.5 game" Even though most of it was exactly the same! Word for word even!
So i guess really when it comes down to it, its not so much the game itself that I dont like, its the people who play it! haha!!

 
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I'll always remember the early days of 2e and 3e (3.5, too).  We'd be runnin' through a combat and one of my friends would do some cool power or feat or class ability and the rest of us would be like 'whoa, that was neat'.  We'd have to strategize more in combat, too, cuz we couldn't possibly be familiar enough with the way each others' builds worked to know what they were capable of at any specific moment.  So we asked questions and planned more.  In 4e, when someone did some cool power, half the table would be like 'cool, I have the same thing but it does a slide instead of a shift'.  Lame.  And we always knew exactly what everyone else was capable of at all times.  Seemed like easy-mode in that regard.  So now we don't play D&D.
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Not to mention the fact that your powers outright define how your character can be badass, rather than making you be creative and inventive and basing it more on RP. 4E is a stifling system by nature, in comparison to various other systems, and therefore I'm not fond of it.
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No, dood. You just don't understand it! If you're not having fun playing 4E, urdoinitwrong! /fanboi
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56788208 wrote:
I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
Tempest_Stormwind on Character Optimization
So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
Resident Pithed-Off Dragon Poon Slayer of the House of Trolls
Please, there was nothing inventive about 3E.

4E is just 3E taken to it's logical conclusion. A Rules Define Everything system.

For every one thing right 3E did, it did 2 things wrong. For every one thing 4E did right, it also did two things wrong.

2E was better than both, but let's face it it's heinously outdated.

D&D, is and always will be far behind everything else. It's the Bud light of rpgs.
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Not to mention the fact that your powers outright define how your character can be badass, rather than making you be creative and inventive and basing it more on RP. 4E is a stifling system by nature, in comparison to various other systems, and therefore I'm not fond of it.



Yupyup.  Role expectation was never heavier and that limited play.  Sure you could build characters that functioned outside of their classes' expected role (my Archlich StaffizieLord, for example, was a Striker - not a Controller, not a Leader) but they still needed to perform one of the roles.  That limits you to small variations of four distinct playstyles.  And that was really lame.  At first 4e was fun - honest.  But its replay value is zero.  It's all the same once you understand it and you understand it really, really quickly.
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4E is just 3E taken to it's logical conclusion. A Rules Define Everything system.


Uh, no. There were no stats for commoners, durability of stone walls or number of enthralled undead based on caster's Hit Dice and similar nonsense 3.x had in spades.
What it did give rules to however was actions in combat and that was the thing that stifled people's creativity. It's like looking at a paint rack in GW and buying several shades of everything, because it's easy to forget you can mix paint.
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
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So when do you think Bachmann will be saying she met a mother the previous night that had a son who got a blood transfusion using a gay guy's blood, and now the son is retardedly gay?
When she meets CJ's mom?
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Exactly. Really man, I'd have thought you'd have grasped the finer points of the rules around here by now. Sheesh.
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HEY D&D is off topic for here you bunch of hypocrites!


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Yeah, but we're Edition Warring, so it's ok.



thats also aginst the CoC but carry on

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Not to mention the fact that your powers outright define how your character can be badass, rather than making you be creative and inventive and basing it more on RP. 4E is a stifling system by nature, in comparison to various other systems, and therefore I'm not fond of it.



Yupyup.  Role expectation was never heavier and that limited play.  Sure you could build characters that functioned outside of their classes' expected role (my Archlich StaffizieLord, for example, was a Striker - not a Controller, not a Leader) but they still needed to perform one of the roles.  That limits you to small variations of four distinct playstyles.  And that was really lame.  At first 4e was fun - honest.  But its replay value is zero.  It's all the same once you understand it and you understand it really, really quickly.

Meh. In 3E you have to have a caster, etc. It's not as different as you like to pretend.
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True, but your casters don't play the same as your fighters don't play the same as your psychic warriors don't play the same as your...

The one 4E campaign I played in, it felt like everyone had (essentially) the same abilities. I don't think that's all that entertaining. Maybe if you had a better group, you'd see the light & realize that 3.5 is a far superior product.
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Meh. In 3E you have to have a caster, etc. It's not as different as you like to pretend.



First of all, no you didn't.  You wanna run low magic?  No problem - the DM runs a low magic campaign.  Second, how does this disprove anything I said?  It doesn't say anything about the classes playing completely differently - from within themselves to when compared to the other classes.

And dood, you didn't play 3.5.  I played 3.5 from start to end and 4e from start until a few months before (I think - may have been after) the 5e announcement.  Just stop, bro.  You honest to god have no idea what you're talking about.  That should be pretty obvious even to you.
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Meh. In 3E you have to have a caster, etc. It's not as different as you like to pretend.



First of all, no you didn't.  You wanna run low magic?  No problem - the DM runs a low magic campaign. 



Fair enough.


Second, how does this disprove anything I said?  It doesn't say anything about the classes playing completely differently - from within themselves to when compared to the other classes.



Which wasn't the part I was addressing.



And dood, you didn't play 3.5.  I played 3.5 from start to end and 4e from start until a few months before (I think - may have been after) the 5e announcement.  Just stop, bro.  You honest to god have no idea what you're talking about.  That should be pretty obvious even to you.




Obviously. But that dosen't mean I can't bring up orblmes I've herard about, since I readily submit to your greter experience. Saying otherwise is intellectualy dishonest, even for you. ;)
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141722973 wrote:
And it wasn't ****. It was subjectively concensual sex.
57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
Fair enough.





Which wasn't the part I was addressing.



Then what part were you addressing with that?


Obviously. But that dosen't mean I can't bring up orblmes I've herard about, since I readily submit to your greter experience. Saying otherwise is intellectualy dishonest, even for you. ;)



Umm ... fine.   
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Fair enough.









Which wasn't the part I was addressing.



Then what part were you addressing with that?


The part about needing to have all the bases covered.


Obviously. But that dosen't mean I can't bring up problem I've heard about, since I readily submit to your greter experience. Saying otherwise is intellectualy dishonest, even for you. ;)



Umm ... fine.   



I just got a concession from ZB! Hold me HD, I'm swooning!
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141722973 wrote:
And it wasn't ****. It was subjectively concensual sex.
57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
The part about needing to have all the bases covered.



Well, you didn't have to.  And it wasn't as much of an expectation in 3.5 either.  4e flat out tells you what you need to play and that's lame.

I just got a concession from ZB! Hold me HD, I'm swooning!



Nuh uh. 
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