[DGM-ICD] Emmara Tandris

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Emmara Tandris
Legendary Creature - Elf Shaman (R)
Prevent all damage that would be dealt to creature tokens you control.
5/7

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...interesting. Nice curve topper for slow selesnya, 
Not even a little bit like what I was expecting from her.
"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."
makes lingering souls pretty annoying.

anyway, while it feels as boring and uninspired as the other heros (set subtheme?), casual token decks might be interested anyway.  mortars, bonfire, etc.; so many of the cards they hate die to this. 
makes lingering souls pretty annoying.

anyway, while it feels as boring and uninspired as the other heros (set subtheme?), casual token decks might be interested anyway.  mortars, bonfire, etc.; so many of the cards they hate die to this. 




The only problem with that, casual or otherwise. How many token decks are really hitting 7 mana?

Not many I would guess.
"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."
7 mana. Oh boy, more EDH fodder.
It is very stange that she doesn't make the new token seeing as how her art has the same creature in it. If this is real that seems like a MAJOR mistake on WoTC part.

Honestly, this is just bland. Ba... 
Flavor breakdown

This feels wrong for Emmara. She's mainly known for two things.


1. Making big elementals.


2. Healing.

This card doesn't do either. Maybe you could see the damage prevention as healing, but in that case it should have been an activated ability, since her healing skills are impressive, but not that good that she just has a healing aura around her.


She also has a similar problem to Teysa, in that her power and toughness aren't representative of the character. Emmara isn't a fighter. She prefers talking to open combat and in single combat she's not that capable (nor does she ever needs to be).


According to Doug Beyer, Creative really wanted a card for Emmara, so it's really weird that she's such a flavor fail. Maybe she'll get amazing flavor text, but I doubt it would make it passable.

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The only problem with that, casual or otherwise. How many token decks are really hitting 7 mana?



Ones that use small expendable tokens as mana sources.  Either ones that have that ability inherently (Eldrazi Spawn, Wood), or decks that have sac-creature-for-mana abilities (Ashnod's Altar, Phyrexian Altar).


I remember even back in Fallen Empires days, saccing many a saproling token to Ashnod's Altar for mana.
How on earth is she tougher to kill than borborygmos?
That´s great!
Teysa is not alone in the garbage island.
Hasn't been confirmed, just a rumor at this point.

The baseline stats sound reasonable, but it sounds like she's missing an ability, you can almost play Avacyn for the same price, and get better stats. Plus 'Prevent all damage to tokens' is the kind of wording you get on activatable abilities, not passives.

I expect she probably has one other passive and her token defense is probably has a small cost associated with it ('GW' or 'GW 1')
how many of the heroes do have clear flavor connections to the associated character?  to me, most of the heroes feel...a lot like generic set rares.  do you think she would have been a better fit as a 2/2 for WG that summoned elementals?
how many of the heroes do have clear flavor connections to the associated character?  to me, most of the heroes feel...a lot like generic set rares.  do you think she would have been a better fit as a 2/2 for WG that summoned elementals?



Myself for one.

I was actually really hoping she would have some sort of Rakka Mar type ability (minus the haste part).
"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."
I think they left off the line "When Emmara Tandris enters the battlefield, populate."....
makes lingering souls pretty annoying.

anyway, while it feels as boring and uninspired as the other heros (set subtheme?), casual token decks might be interested anyway.  mortars, bonfire, etc.; so many of the cards they hate die to this. 




The only problem with that, casual or otherwise. How many token decks are really hitting 7 mana?

Not many I would guess.



Craterhoof decks can hit it rather consistently. 
how many of the heroes do have clear flavor connections to the associated character?  to me, most of the heroes feel...a lot like generic set rares.  do you think she would have been a better fit as a 2/2 for WG that summoned elementals?



Myself for one.

I was actually really hoping she would have some sort of Rakka Mar type ability (minus the haste part).

i mean, obviously i ask because there is a 2/2 for WG that summons the elemental that is shown in her art. 
makes lingering souls pretty annoying.

anyway, while it feels as boring and uninspired as the other heros (set subtheme?), casual token decks might be interested anyway.  mortars, bonfire, etc.; so many of the cards they hate die to this. 




The only problem with that, casual or otherwise. How many token decks are really hitting 7 mana?

Not many I would guess.



Craterhoof decks can hit it rather consistently. 



Not at all worth it. The only tokens they run in the deck are Lingering Souls and if you have some Lingering Souls tokens on the table, wouldnt you be better off using Rites on Craterhoof instead...



"I have existed from the morning of the world and I shall exist until the last star falls from the night. Although I have taken the form of Gaius Caligula, I am all men as I am no man and therefore I am a God."
She could have been playable had they dropped her cost by 2 and dropped her P/T a few as well.
how many of the heroes do have clear flavor connections to the associated character?  to me, most of the heroes feel...a lot like generic set rares.  do you think she would have been a better fit as a 2/2 for WG that summoned elementals?



I actually felt Ruric was a good match to his character in the book. Side from that we've only seen 4 others.  Mirko and Lavinia fit well enough while Exava doesn't have any connection, but doesn't have any disconnect. This is the only one I thing is a flavor fail.
Emmara smash!! O_O
Haha if this is indeed real than she's easily the worst champion and even more a flavor mess then all the others combined imo.
how many of the heroes do have clear flavor connections to the associated character?  to me, most of the heroes feel...a lot like generic set rares.  do you think she would have been a better fit as a 2/2 for WG that summoned elementals?



I actually felt Ruric was a good match to his character in the book. Side from that we've only seen 4 others.  Mirko and Lavinia fit well enough while Exava doesn't have any connection, but doesn't have any disconnect. This is the only one I thing is a flavor fail.


Exava unleashed the hoardes in the second book. Very true to character.
Rather boring card in my opinion.
Flavor-wise she's fine, if this is real. She'll just be shown on the back of an elemental, as she was described in the gatecrash novella.
I had much higher hopes for this. She needs to be able to make tokens--even a buffer guildmage would've been better than this.

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It's so sad that it's almost funny... just compare her with Vigor.
Ew, this is awful.  I was expecting something a bit more.  There are WAY better things to play at 7 mana than this.  Hooray, coaster!
how many of the heroes do have clear flavor connections to the associated character?  to me, most of the heroes feel...a lot like generic set rares.  do you think she would have been a better fit as a 2/2 for WG that summoned elementals?



I actually felt Ruric was a good match to his character in the book. Side from that we've only seen 4 others.  Mirko and Lavinia fit well enough while Exava doesn't have any connection, but doesn't have any disconnect. This is the only one I thing is a flavor fail.



Exava having giving haste to unleashed creatures seems to be a reference to her using the sword Rakdo gave her to start her riot gang. And Teysa is awful for the character. The rest are fine.

I can justify this one, but it seems too much work to do so.


But as the the actual card? Comes down too late. Even in EDH you want your 7 mana things to do more. In limited you'll already have lost more tokens then you'll save with this. It just doesn't do enough. Why does she need to be a 5/7? a 2/4 for 5 with that ability would have been more playable in many formats.

But given all of it I'm not believing this until I see a picture for it. Just because we don't need a second Teysa for the block. 
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Wow. This is a letdown.

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Aww
Actually she is an excellent general, but still boring.

Actually she is an excellent general, but still boring.


Which is why she isn't a good general.
*sigh* Poor Emmara.

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It is very stange that she doesn't make the new token seeing as how her art has the same creature in it. If this is real that seems like a MAJOR mistake on WoTC part.

Honestly, this is just bland. Ba... 

Whether this card is real or not, it's already confirmed that the token is from Voice of Resurgence, ICD.

Doesn't seem like a major mistake to me though. They are just on the battlefield at the same time and that elemental is in the background. Maybe a bit strange to be sure, but I wouldn't call it a major mistake I guess.



I'm actually sad about this one...hope it's fake.  
I'm not normally bothered by chaff as much as I am by overpowered money cards. But this one bothers me.

This feels like the sort of card that MaRo could do a case study on how inexperienced designers make bad cards. It doesn't fit a top-down or bottom-up design brief and is basically seven kinds of ugly. Which is a shame, given the lovely art and that the character has established her profile through the back stories.

I'd rate this indomitable ancients. Ie. 2/10.
This is so close to vanilla and so low on power that I'm seriously skeptical about this being the whole card.

Avacyn, Angel of Hope was only one set ago.  If you want a lord that grants indestructability but costs less than 8 and isn't indestructible itself, Timber Protector and Knight Exemplar make this card look really bad.  If you want to protect your tokens from sweepers once, might I suggest Dauntless Escort?

This isn't like Teysa, who has a lot of abilities and who probably couldn't have been too much cheaper.  This just...feels like there should be more to the card. 

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I was going to get one of her for my Rhys the Redeemed EDH deck whatever was written on her card. On one hand I am dissapointed as this wasnt what I was expecting, but on the other hand I am happy with the card and glad that she looks like she should be cheap and easy to obtain.

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Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
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That makes no sense to me. If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed? ~ Tim
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People over at MtGS are speculating that she was switched with Voice of Resurgence at some point after the art came back.
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Garbage.

She exists solely to make Teysa look less disappointing, I guess.

As others have mentioned in this thread, we've had similar effects for much, much less.

And I get that size and strength doesn't necessarily equate to P/T... but c'mon. I can't suspend my disbelief here. If she were a 1/7, maybe a 2/7, I could have passed it off as guild healing/protective magic or wahtever, but if she's punching me in the face for a quarter of my life, that's a little hard to justify.

As far as EDH goes, there are better token Generals in Selesnya colors. You can make her a part of your 99 if you're heavily invested in tokens, I guess, but even then... nothing spectacular. 
Wait, I thought we were joking about the 5/8 thing. It wasn't a suggestion, Wizards.
Wait, I thought we were joking about the 5/8 thing. It wasn't a suggestion, Wizards.

5/8 thing?