Force Grip, "probably", the most powerful Force Power.

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This days I'm having a few discussions with a friend about Force powers, and our current nightmare its Force Grip.

I'm trying to comprehend its real mechanic based on real 1st and 2nd class Canon information like Movies and Clone Wars and forgeting what d20, Saga or D6 tells us about that power. Ok, here I go.

I'm not looking for a "balanced power" so, from what  read until now, Force Grip has no possible defense against it, only make use loose its "line of sight", but, if the user can use another special "line of sight" like some kind of sense or vision, its unstopable.

In Clone Wars or movies, no one is capable to protect from Force Grip, it seems that affect the most powerful Jedi Master and Sith and even can kill them in a few moments or seconds. It doesn't seem to have any type of "cooldown" and it hasn't got a big energy expense.

Probably, at movies and TV series, they prefer to use a lightsaber battle for one (or both) reasons: Lightsaber are cooler and more comercial than a guy "holding a hand on the air" XD or that Sith/Dark Side users enjoy more becoming superior with their lightsaber combat and supremacy and prefers to subjugate an humiliate their oponents with a melee combat. Only to end a combat quickly or when they are in "rage mode" use Force Grip.
There are a lot of samples and scenes that you probably think "why he doesn't use now Force Grip?" I supose that one of the two answer up there is the reason XD

So:
- Can kill in a few seconds.
- Don't have cooldown.
- No aparent fatigue for the user.
- Practically disables the target and gives partial control over it (also limitates a bit the user).
- Great range and "line of sight" dependant (can be subtituted by a force vision technique).
- Can be multitarget! (Or at least two or three people).
- No Dark Side limitated (thanks Windu XD)
- Has a few variant that can even affect objects (probably Force Crush or another power).
- Seems unstoppable.

Any idea for a new interpretation of Force Grip or any information to add or correct?

Thank you!

PS: Thanks Lucasarts!
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Very, very interesting. My explanation for its ehavior in canon, rather than Saga, is that experienced Force users can "block" the attempt to use it on them, whether actively or passively. They might get surprised and choked, but more often another method is needed.
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The one using the power is usually not performing any other action as well, in game terms making it a full-round action.  It also seems to be able to choke someone and hold them in place, or to choke them to death or to crack their neck and kill them instantly.  The multiple targets can be handled by the Multitarget Force Secret, becuase it is usually used by a "high level" force user.

I think adding the suffocation rules on-top of Force Grip should suffice.

Since we are ignoring balance, could add a Special quality that allows the user to spend a destiny point to insta-kill the target.
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Force Grip has no possible defense against it


You certainly have a defense against Force Grip. It's called Rebuke! Possibly the greatest single defense against this power.

Another way to counter Force Grip is with the help of your allies. If your getting Force Gripped to death, then your allies need to attack the force-user. Every time he takes damage he needs to roll UtF DC 15 + damage taken to continue maintaining the power. So whack the guy as hard as you can!


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Thanks for the answer Smile but I was looking for some kind of "offgame mechanics" answers. I mean that in SW Universe there isn't an canonic form to protect from Force Grip.
At Wookipedia only says that "get out of the line of sight" or other people make that the attacker looses the concentration.

So, from we have saw at movies and clone wars (the only 100% canonical sources) that no one can scape from a Force Grip, so, do you have an alternative use to that power?

Thank you so much again!
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Thanks for the answer but I was looking for some kind of "offgame mechanics" answers. I mean that in SW Universe there isn't an canonic form to protect from Force Grip.
At Wookipedia only says that "get out of the line of sight" or other people make that the attacker looses the concentration.

So, from we have saw at movies and clone wars (the only 100% canonical sources) that no one can scape from a Force Grip, so, do you have an alternative use to that power?

Thank you so much again!

To clarify my previous post a bit, I think the answer isn't so much an activated Force "counter" but rather a semi-passive Force defense that always exists.
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57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
Thanks for the answer but I was looking for some kind of "offgame mechanics" answers. I mean that in SW Universe there isn't an canonic form to protect from Force Grip.
At Wookipedia only says that "get out of the line of sight" or other people make that the attacker looses the concentration.

So, from we have saw at movies and clone wars (the only 100% canonical sources) that no one can scape from a Force Grip, so, do you have an alternative use to that power?

Thank you so much again!

To clarify my previous post a bit, I think the answer isn't so much an activated Force "counter" but rather a semi-passive Force defense that always exists.


The Darth Bane novels mention some sort of Force Bubble that trainees made to protect themselves from telekinetic stuff like being thrown around when dueling with their practice sabers.  It's been a couple years since I've read them though.  They had to maintain it a little, but it's a bit more on the passive side. I think it was book 1.  That may be something more like what you're looking for.  It is however only C-canon and not G or T canon like you were hoping.
Thanks for the answer but I was looking for some kind of "offgame mechanics" answers. I mean that in SW Universe there isn't an canonic form to protect from Force Grip.
At Wookipedia only says that "get out of the line of sight" or other people make that the attacker looses the concentration.

So, from we have saw at movies and clone wars (the only 100% canonical sources) that no one can scape from a Force Grip, so, do you have an alternative use to that power?

Thank you so much again!

To clarify my previous post a bit, I think the answer isn't so much an activated Force "counter" but rather a semi-passive Force defense that always exists.


The Darth Bane novels mention some sort of Force Bubble that trainees made to protect themselves from telekinetic stuff like being thrown around when dueling with their practice sabers.  It's been a couple years since I've read them though.  They had to maintain it a little, but it's a bit more on the passive side. I think it was book 1.  That may be something more like what you're looking for.  It is however only C-canon and not G or T canon like you were hoping.

As JM's post contained some speculation, I wasn't looking for canon support, just tyring to think of a solution.
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141722973 wrote:
And it wasn't ****. It was subjectively concensual sex.
57036828 wrote:
Marketing and design are two different things. For instance the snuggy was designed for people in wheel chairs and marketed to people that are too incompetent to operate a blanket.
75239035 wrote:
I personally don't want him decapitated.
141722973 wrote:
And do not call me a Yank. I am a Québecois, basically your better.
And the greatest post moderation of all time...
58115148 wrote:
I gave that (Content Removed) a to-scale Lego replica. (Content Removed) love to-scale Lego replicas. (ORC_Cerberus: Edited - Vulgarity is against the Code of Conduct)
Thanks for the answer Smile but I was looking for some kind of "offgame mechanics" answers. I mean that in SW Universe there isn't an canonic form to protect from Force Grip.
At Wookipedia only says that "get out of the line of sight" or other people make that the attacker looses the concentration.

Carry a Ysalamiri with you?


So, from we have saw at movies and clone wars (the only 100% canonical sources) that no one can scape from a Force Grip, so, do you have an alternative use to that power?

What do you mean "an alternative use to that power?"

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I always answer late sorry :S

Well, I looked for the only type G or T canon sources, but not so much luck. I also looked a few C canon and I founded this.

- Force Barrier
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_barrier
- Force Deflection
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_deflection
- Force Cocoon
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_cocoon
- Protection Bubble
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Protection_bubbl...
- Tutaminis
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tutaminis

This are the only non-mental defense Force Powers, and anyone of this seems that are capable of stop a Force Grip. I know that game systems have to be balanced (more comercial than fair I supose) but, do you think that any of this powers is capable to stop Force Grip? Would you consider to overpower a bit Force Grip? Destiny Points seems a too hight option, but its a balance think.

By the way, thank you so much again for all your propositions! :D
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