copying gideon

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If I turn [C] Gideon, Champion of Justice [/C] into a human, then cast [C] Cackling Counterpart [/C], does the copy stay in play?
No, they will both be sent to the graveyard by the planeswalker uniqueness rule.
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When Cackling Counterpart resolves, you get a token with the card type Planeswalker and the subtype Gideon (notice the copy is not a creature nor a human). Then Cackling Counterpart goes to the graveyard. As there's two planeswalkers with the same subtype on the battlefield now, they both are sent to the graveyard (this is a state-based action, performed before any player can get priority). Then the active player gets priority.
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would a copy of a Turn to Frog Gideon survive?
does TtF remove the type "Gideon"?
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would a copy of a Turn to Frog Gideon survive?
does TtF remove the type "Gideon"?


No. While turn to frog does remove creature types, it doesn't affect planeswalker types.
205.1a Some effects set an object’s card type. In such cases, the new card type(s) replaces any existing card types. Counters, effects, and damage marked on the object remain with it, even if they are meaningless to the new card type. Similarly, when an effect sets one or more of an object’s subtypes, the new subtype(s) replaces any existing subtypes from the appropriate set (creature types, land types, artifact types, enchantment types, planeswalker types, or spell types). If an object’s card type is removed, the subtypes correlated with that card type will remain if they are also the subtypes of a card type the object currently has; otherwise, they are also removed for the entire time the object’s card type is removed. Removing an object’s subtype doesn’t affect its card types at all.

would a copy of a Turn to Frog Gideon survive?
does TtF remove the type "Gideon"?



 9/22/2011    The creature will lose all other colors and creature types, but it will retain any other card types (such as artifact) it may have.


If it keeps the type Planeswalker, it keeps the planeswalker subtype Gideon.

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if it keeps the type Planeswalker, it keeps the planeswalker subtype Gideon.

this was the connection I missed
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