Mown Makes Magic - Stack Creatures

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Sorcery
Target player puts all cards in his or her hand face-down onto the battlefield under that player's control as a green Ooze creature with power and toughness equal to the number of cards in it.
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Sorcery
Put the top two cards of your library face-down onto the battlefield as a 2/2 green Ooze creature.
It's dripping with knowledge.

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You can now go ahead and mention all the cards it breaks the game with. Although I think they're an interesting thought experiment, so go ahead and write your expected outcome. Currently one event I don't know what to do with.

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Break Open?


Correct. I have no idea what to do with that card, other than defining it as something other than a face-down creature.

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Break Open?


Correct. I have no idea what to do with that card, other than defining it as something other than a face-down creature.


Exile the cards face down and then just have a dude with p/t equal to the number of cards you exiled?
Ours is a vengeful god.
Exile the cards face down and then just have a dude with p/t equal to the number of cards you exiled?


Sort of applies a sledgehammer to the cute interactions I like about the mechanic, making it pointless.

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Exile the cards face down and then just have a dude with p/t equal to the number of cards you exiled?


Sort of applies a sledgehammer to the cute interactions I like about the mechanic, making it pointless.


Sometimes the red way is the right way.
Ours is a vengeful god.
Yeah, I kinda don't like how morph neutered the whole face down thing into 'THEY ARE 2/2 CREATURES YEAH'.
I think you can get around this as its a stack of creatures, rather than a single face down. Just get some comp rules governing creatures stapled together.
This really screws with the rules because you have a single game object (a creature) being represented simultaneously by multiple physical objects. I don't know if black-bordered Magic can handle S.N.O.T.
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Unsummon. What goes back to your hand?
Runed Halo. Is it rendered ineffective?
I think you can get around this as its a stack of creatures, rather than a single face down. Just get some comp rules governing creatures stapled together.


Yeah, I thought abou it after I went to bed. It's not tecnically a face-down creature, it's a creature with face-down cards in it.
Unsummon. What goes back to your hand?
Runed Halo. Is it rendered ineffective?


Unsummon would bounce all the cards. You return the creature, and the creature is 1+ cards.
Runed Halo wouldn't work, since they're nameless, just like creatures with morph.

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There really should be a comp rule stating something along the lines of "If a non-permanent card, for whatever reason, ends up on the battlefield, it is put into its owner's graveyard as a state-based effect." A simple fix which opens up a lot of design space.
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Anyone else read the title and click on it expecting it to be creatures that stay on the stack instead of the battlefield?
Regardless of the rules troubles, I just don't find this mechanical idea all that interesting. They just feel like mutilated versions of Bearscape.
Regardless of the rules troubles, I just don't find this mechanical idea all that interesting. They just feel like mutilated versions of Bearscape.


I'll mutilate you.

Okay, I guess I just like the interaction with bounce too much. With some official terminology, you could have other interactions, but I wouldn't know how to word it.

Cardname
Creature - Goblin Shaman
, Exile a card in a conglomerate: ~ deals 1 damage to target creature or player.
1/1

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> the number of cards in it.

what is "it"?
 
"some stones should be left unturned" ~Urlock
> the number of cards in it.

what is "it"?


The creature, previously your hand.

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the card number previous;y in your hand ?
 
"some stones should be left unturned" ~Urlock
Take the cards in your hand.
Put them on the battlefield face down in a stack.
Count the cards in the stack.
That stack represents a creature with P/T equal to that number.

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Maybe you should speak in his langauge?
 
"some stones should be left unturned" ~Urlock
Maybe you should speak in his langauge?


I only speak English and Norwegian, and I haven't seen any indication that he's of the latter nationality.

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Maybe you should speak in his langauge?


I only speak English and Norwegian, and I haven't seen any indication that he's of the latter nationality.


i dont think that norwegia is a nation
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Maybe you should speak in his langauge?


I only speak English and Norwegian, and I haven't seen any indication that he's of the latter nationality.


i dont think that norwegia is a nation


Who said anything about norwegia.

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Maybe you should speak in his langauge?


I only speak English and Norwegian, and I haven't seen any indication that he's of the latter nationality.


i dont think that norwegia is a nation


Who said anything about norwegia.


muricans live in murica so norwegians live in norwegia
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