3.5 D&D - Wearing Leather Armor w/o Light Armor Proficiency

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Is there any disadvantage for a non-caster to wear leather Armor if s/he is not proficient in wearing Light armor?
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The armor check penalty is applied to all attack rolls and STR and DEX based skill checks.
 So, since leather armor has no armor check then there wouldn't be any other penalty.
What kind of non-caster isn't proficient with light armor, other than psions & wilders (which I tend to think of as casters)?
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
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What kind of non-caster isn't proficient with light armor, other than psions & wilders (which I tend to think of as casters)?

Commoner levies that you're trying to equip?
Yes and no.

There are some abilities that can only be used when not wearing armor so of course wearing armor is going to prevent their use.  It may not be what you are looking for but it is a "penalty" for wearing armor even if applies when proficient in its use.

For a great many characters if an armor or shield has a 0 for an APC then anyone could wear it without it being a problem.  I may make it take longer to get into or out of when not proficient but it can still be worn.
 
Yup, classes like Monk that specifically mention lost abilities when wearing any sort of armor still lose those abilities when wearing leather armor.

I was assuming Shadowfax was asking for something like a Commoner that has no mention of specific penalties in the class description.
So in effect, mithril or a celestial chainmail is a way for rogues to wear better armor without a significant impact on their abilities, since both make the respective armor count as light and the effective ACP is almost non-existant by itself?

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Githcrafted is also a viable option, I believe.
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I do, however, have one last lesson on this subject. That last one? The only build in this post that can one-shot average opponents[by dealing twice as much damage as they have HP? I would argue that it is not optimized. Why isn't it optimized? Because it's overkill. Overkill is NOT optimizing. This means that there are portions of this build dedicated to damage which can safely be removed and thrown elsewhere. For example, you probably don't need both Leap Attack AND Headlong Rush at the same time. You could pick up Extra Rage feats for stamina, feats to support AoO effects, feats that work towards potential prestige classes, and so on. However, you could also shift our ability scores around somewhat. I mean, if you're getting results like that with 16 starting Strength, maybe you can lower it to 14, and free up four points to spend somewhere else - perhaps back into Charisma, giving you some oomph for Intimidating Rage or Imperious Command if you want. You can continue to tune this until it deals "enough" damage - and that "enough" does not need to be "100%". It could easily be, say, 80% (leaving the rest to the team), if your DM is the sort who would ban one-hit killers.
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When she meets CJ's mom?
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Githcrafted is also a viable option, I believe.

Feycraft and githcraft are usually used for reducing arcane spell failure, but don't do anything to help the armour check penalty.

Interestingly, the other nonmagical alteration (a thistledown suit) for reducing arcane spell failure actually increases the armour check penalty by 1, but that increased penalty can still be absorbed on a chain shirt when you're using mithral as the material.

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