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Quick! Before the mods delete this thread!

Deckhopper floated the idea a while back that maybe there should be an off-site sub-entity for the Expanded Multiverse that deals entirely in stuff too racy for the Wizards forums. Is that something we want to spend time and energy on? Is it worth it? Opinions from people not directly involved with the project are welcome as well, here.
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The exact proposal was that I would open an account on one of either Two Sites That Shall Currently Remain Unnamed. Then, for rules purposes, those who wanted to submit a piece would email it to a specific gmail account for editing and review, and then when it was ready it would be posted to one of those sites under the account name.
So this involves more work for people who are not me?

I see no reason why not. 
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
I think the only one who was taking any work was me. I am always willing to share editing duties, but I figure the bulk will be on my shoulders.
I'd certainly be interested in seeing what came out of this.
If this is actually realised, notify me.

I have an idea I wish to share.
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For the sake of my own nefarious purposes: Dr Demento, Deckhopper, and Grumman... do you guys read any of the other M:EM fiction and stuff? Would you be more interested in this project than the M:EM proper?
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For the sake of my own nefarious purposes: Dr Demento, Deckhopper, and Grumman... do you guys read any of the other M:EM fiction and stuff? Would you be more interested in this project than the M:EM proper?


Yes, on occasion.

Not particularly, I'm not a huge fan of erotic fan fiction. If I did read it I would likely never admit to it. 
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
Not particularly, I'm not a huge fan of erotic fan fiction. If I did read it I would likely never admit to it. 



Ah ha! But isn't that just what you would say if you did!?
Why not. Nothing can ever go wrong with this stuff.
Real men hold shift. If everyone has their fingers in the pie, then someone is eating fingers.
Not particularly, I'm not a huge fan of erotic fan fiction. If I did read it I would likely never admit to it. 



Ah ha! But isn't that just what you would say if you did!?


WIFOM
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
For the sake of my own nefarious purposes: Dr Demento, Deckhopper, and Grumman... do you guys read any of the other M:EM fiction and stuff? Would you be more interested in this project than the M:EM proper?


I read HairlessThoctar's stories when he posts them in this forum, but I've only read one or two M:EM stories. Even ignoring the NSFW aspect, having more information than just the title to go by is going to make it easier to decide to try reading a story.
Quick! Before the mods delete this thread!

Deckhopper floated the idea a while back that maybe there should be an off-site sub-entity for the Expanded Multiverse that deals entirely in stuff too racy for the Wizards forums. Is that something we want to spend time and energy on? Is it worth it? Opinions from people not directly involved with the project are welcome as well, here.


Yes. And Yes.

I have, cross my heart and hope to die, seriously considered raiding not only the entirety of the Expanded Multiverse, but also all flavor games run, created, and brainstormed back through the Conflux game and storing them in my (semi) new 500 GB external hard drive.

If there's one thing Skibo has taught us, it's that anything we put on these forums is fragile. Check here if you don't believe me.

Oh, and I am definitely for an NSFW section, if only to find out what Remdas does in his spare time. I would hope that most stories in the theoretical sub-section would be mostly story and simply be needing to be off-site for a single scene or two.

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Alright, new theory: these forums are an experiment in ultraminimalism. By Monday everything--yes everything--will be the color white, and typing any character will simply produce a solid rectangle of variable height and width.

So, let me check if I'm getting this right:
1:  I get steamy (probably lulzy) mtg fiction
2:  I don't actually do any work

Yeah, I guess I could support this...

Why does everyone think I'm phantom lancer? QFT:

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I hope all this helps you to see things in a greater light—and understand that Magic: the Gathering was really created by extraterrestials using Richard Garfield as a medium. The game itself reflects the socio-psycho realtivity between living beings, and the science that takes precedence over them—to define reality for them all (like telekinesis, weather, scientific reaction, phenomenon, ingenuity, how the brain works, etc.). I'd also bet there is an entity floating thousands of miles above us, looking down on the current state of game, shaking its fist like... "Wtf are you doing?! You're getting it all screwed up!". Awkward—to be evolved, and yet still subject to the ladder that is the concepts of the game. In this case, misconception, corruption, and deception. With the realities of each color becoming distorted (through oblivious designers), leading the game to reflect a false state of reality that warps the understanding that other people have about those things. For example, people thinking that white could be anything except pure good. This shouldn't be too far off though, I mean...Magic is designed based on reality after all, so that entity (those entities) should be subject to those things. Anyways, I guess when you're busy doing space stuff you can't always be around to ensure quality control. It's no wonder they choose Garfield, they're so much alike; that's exactly what happened to him and Magic.
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I'm also in the, "I read it when it shows up here" boat. I know there is supposed to be an extensive library of this stuff, but aside from it getting mentioned here and there, it doesn't seem like it get's a lot of publicity if something new comes out.
An entire area devoted to Bolas x Tezz stuff? I approve.

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Folks that only occasionally read M:EM stuff... what would make you interested in picking the stories up? Grumman, you mentioned not feeling like a title is enough to go off of, yeah? And Deckhopper, you're feeling like stuff doesn't get promoted enough?

@42:

You're right. I'll probably shoot you an e-mail about this, actually.
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I don't know if it is a matter of it not being promoted, or if it is just a matter of it not being visible. The reason I post my stories here is because this is where I see people reading and responding to things, so since this is where the attention is, this is where I go. I know its a positive feedback loop, but I like getting feedback! On the other hand, I'm also staring at your signature which says the M:EM was last updated in June of 2012. Has there been much in the way of material for it since then? I've been working mostly on the Innistrad novel, which doesn't count for obvious reasons, and there is Wilhman's story, which doesn't count for the same reasons. There is also the round robin story, but that doesn't count for a different set of reasons. That just leaves "Stolen" and Thoctar's handful of stories as qualifying as M:EM material. So is it possible its just the lack of movement?
That's part of it, yeah. Things just aren't as active as they were, say, a year and a half ago.

I think it was a mistake to move operations over to a subforum, though. I and others were afraid of cluttering things up, but YMTC threads that aren't posted in have a lifespan of a day, tops, and that works just fine for them. And I also felt like maybe people wouldn't be as interested if they had already read stories while the writers were working on them, but that seems to be COMPLETELY AND DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO REALITY. Which is... actually a fascinating lesson in and of itself.

There are a bunch of works in progress in the subforum... but yeah, they really do have a low visibility.

But that's part of what I'm worried about with moving off-site completely. Moving the archive is fine and dandy, that's just backing stuff up. But having an entirely unconnected NSFW section... I don't know, would anyone even see it? 
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They would if you let them know about it.
I post my stories in the forums rather than, saaaaaay, make a blog entry about them in the forum blog thingy because I know there's far more visibility there.
If you want more visibility, give them more visibility. If you don't want to dedicate a whole thread to one story, then maybe wait till you have half a dozen or so stories and make a thread linking to each of them with like a synopsis or something.
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Hey guys check out these latest stories in the M:EM

Jace gets lost at the DMV! Can he get out before the bloodsucking morlocks employed their consume his soul? 

Liliana stubs her toe! Can she get first aid before it becomes gangrenous and her body has to be amputated?

And now in M:EM After Dark~

Nicol Bolas has studied Tezzeret from afar. Will he finally confess his love to the shaggy robot bastard or will Jace steal him away from Nicky.

All this and more in the Magic: Extended Multiverse

WAHEEEEEEY!!!   
  
  



That's part of it, yeah. Things just aren't as active as they were, say, a year and a half ago.

I think it was a mistake to move operations over to a subforum, though. I and others were afraid of cluttering things up, but YMTC threads that aren't posted in have a lifespan of a day, tops, and that works just fine for them. And I also felt like maybe people wouldn't be as interested if they had already read stories while the writers were working on them, but that seems to be COMPLETELY AND DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED TO REALITY. Which is... actually a fascinating lesson in and of itself.

There are a bunch of works in progress in the subforum... but yeah, they really do have a low visibility.

But that's part of what I'm worried about with moving off-site completely. Moving the archive is fine and dandy, that's just backing stuff up. But having an entirely unconnected NSFW section... I don't know, would anyone even see it? 



I think having the M:EM in the subforum is part of the problem. My Innistrad novel, at 15ish pages, has almost as many views as the entire Off Topic thread, and it tends to climb even when I neglect it. If the stories were up front, right here where we could see them, then they would get read by a lot of people, including those who don't post, and would also get more feedback.

As for putting the erotic stuff on another site, yes, they would get read. For one thing, either site I would post it to has a much, much larger viewing audience than this forum. Right now to read something here you first have to have an interest in Magic, then an interest in the story, then a willingness to read fanfics. Where I'd be posting them the desire would be to read the stories first, interest in Magic second.
They would if you let them know about it.
I post my stories in the forums rather than, saaaaaay, make a blog entry about them in the forum blog thingy because I know there's far more visibility there.
If you want more visibility, give them more visibility. If you don't want to dedicate a whole thread to one story, then maybe wait till you have half a dozen or so stories and make a thread linking to each of them with like a synopsis or something.
Like saaaaay    



I find that this tactic is actually a non-solution. For some reason, people WON'T CLICK THE FRIGGIN LINKS even if it's placed in a solid and easily accessable post.
I speak from experience in that regard, because the links I post get skipped over.

I think the case is, people will only read it if it is immediately in front of them and the simple act of opening a new tab will make them put it off... and consequently not do it at all.
Yeah, I can confirm what Barinellos is saying here. The last few times I updated my signature, I posted threads as well. They seemed to get pretty minimal attention at best. 
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Question: What about the policy of not using canon characters? The totally-not-porn that people would most like to read (and write) will be things like Jace/Chandra, Garruk/Jace, Jin-Gitaxis/Elspeth, etc. 


@Deckhopper: We've talked about making a "Expanded Omniverse" subsection so we can include things that contradict canon or have a high chance of doing so in the future. 

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Jin-Gitaxis/Elspeth,




Oh GOD.

@Deckhopper: We've talked about making a "Expanded Omniverse" subsection so we can include things that contradict canon or have a high chance of doing so in the future. 




I'm honestly not worried about the canonicity of the Innistrad novel. The major points have already been covered (Garruk get's consumed by the curse, Thalia breaks open the Helvault and frees Avacyn, Liliana kills Griselbrand) so it is really just a fun way to answer things like, "Who is Ludevic? Just where the hell was Sorin for all this? What happened to Grimgrin?" and the like.


Jin-Gitaxis/Elspeth,




Oh GOD.



*She didn't understand Phyrexian, but the sultry chitter of his multi-hinged jaw was impossible to misinterpret...*

Quick! Before the mods delete this thread!

Deckhopper floated the idea a while back that maybe there should be an off-site sub-entity for the Expanded Multiverse that deals entirely in stuff too racy for the Wizards forums. Is that something we want to spend time and energy on? Is it worth it? Opinions from people not directly involved with the project are welcome as well, here.



Two words: No exceptions.

And for the Jin/Elspeth pairing, I suggest Guro Praetor join Pedobear and friends just for that.

And now I'm squicking at every possible element of a fantasy kitchen sink like Magic being turned into smutfic.
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Deckhopper, you never asked, but would you like me to read through the whole novel and give you comments? It'll be a bit hard to judge in an unfinished form, but I wouldn't mind doing it.



I would assume all M:EM:NSFW materials would be outside the normal "don't screw with canon" rules. My inclination, though, is to keep the same voting procedure, though. We don't want to just include anything, and I think having a quality check has helped strengthen the stuff that's gone into the actual archive.

@Ruwin:

For the first time ever, I wish you were a less competent writer.

"Sultry chitter." Uuuuhuhuhuh. =_=
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Deckhopper, you never asked, but would you like me to read through the whole novel and give you comments? It'll be a bit hard to judge in an unfinished form, but I wouldn't mind doing it.



I would assume all M:EM:NSFW materials would be outside the normal "don't screw with canon" rules. My inclination, though, is to keep the same voting procedure, though. We don't want to just include anything, and I think having a quality check has helped strengthen the stuff that's gone into the actual archive.

@Ruwin:

For the first time ever, I wish you were a less competent writer.

"Sultry chitter." Uuuuhuhuhuh. =_=



Give me a couple of days to piece it together and put it into a single form document, since it would probably be easier to read that way. I know there is a lot of editing that needs to be done, including filling in massive plot holes I created.
Seriously. Mirrans have metal growing everywhere and
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Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.
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@Ruwin:

For the first time ever, I wish you were a less competent writer.

"Sultry chitter." Uuuuhuhuhuh. =_=



wonk. ;)

Did anyone here hang out in the mature D&D area before that was shut down? It was a lot of fun. I'd fully support somewhere to talk about NSFW Magic stuff.
Also, I read, but don't comment on a lot of fanfiction. I find it hard not to come off completely critical.
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You should never explain layers to people unless one of the following is true: they're studying for a judge exam, you're both in a Ben Affleck movie and it's the only way to save the world, or you hate them.
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69511863 wrote:
Hell, if they steal from us, we'd be honored.
oh my god, AWESOME! Then changing the Slivers was your idea! haha lol
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Occassionally when catering, I've been put the task of arranging Fruit and Cheese or Grilled Vegetable platters. More than once a high class buffet has started with the mark of Phyrexia upon it. Since i've got a good eye for color so it looks great to people who don't get the "joke" (it's a niceley divided circle after all: the outline gives you 4-6 "regions" to work with), this has actually got me put on platter design more often, resulting in Phyrexia's presence at more private and industry events.
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Did anyone here hang out in the mature D&D area before that was shut down? It was a lot of fun. I'd fully support somewhere to talk about NSFW Magic stuff.
Also, I read, but don't comment on a lot of fanfiction. I find it hard not to come off completely critical.


I'm sure that most writers like overly critical feedback than no feedback at all. 

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Did anyone here hang out in the mature D&D area before that was shut down? It was a lot of fun. I'd fully support somewhere to talk about NSFW Magic stuff.
Also, I read, but don't comment on a lot of fanfiction. I find it hard not to come off completely critical.


I'm sure that most writers like overly critical feedback than no feedback at all. 




+1

I'm a decent writer, but every time I submit something for review at my school's creative wrting club, it just comes back with "Excellent" and "good work". I appreciate that they appreciate it, but it doesn't help me grow as a writer at all. :/ 
The worst is when I actively tried to get negative feedback/hatemail by writing some rather a depraved Harry Potter fic. I didn't just got compliments, people started offering ideas. Which, all things considered, was minorly terrifying.
Yeah, I prefer strong constructive criticism even if it's rather severe. Sometimes you just need to be told to change things. I'm a bit behind schedule with the one Ravnica story I'm working on, for example, because Isaic pointed out to me that I was changing POV too much. I have to rewrite that scene, now, so it's a pain, but if he hadn't given me that feedback the piece wouldn't be as strong.

Eyehunter, what was the mature section like? Why was it closed down? 
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We've talked about making a "Expanded Omniverse" subsection so we can include things that contradict canon or have a high chance of doing so in the future. 



The major reason that was kicked around is because of Tezzeret punches out the Multiverse.
And I'm still opposed to it, even though some of my planar chaos stuff would fit there.
Eyehunter, what was the mature section like? Why was it closed down? 


Well, it was started to discuss the Book of Vile Deeds and its good twin (WotC published). Those books covered extensive discussion of what is good and evil, plus nudity and extra detail on subjects like torture. There were some threads like that, most notably "Paladin kills baby to save world: does he fall for killing an innocent?" (Which is a foolish question. The paladin should not be used in a campaign where this situation can occur). Then there were the perverted uses of magic items/spells, rules for sex/STD's, minotaur genitalia questions, and sharing of NSFW images threads. There was an RP thread named "Pippa's slave market." There was a lot of terrible stuff on it, but plenty of D&D games do run into mature moments and it was good to have a place to discuss them. The main books mention slavery occurs, but don't go into any detail on the Alignment impacts or any hints at how to use it. And there's a few EXTREMELY mature but common backstory tropes that I don't think I even mention out here.

Not to mention mature historical, non-fantasy details, like gender roles.

Over the few months I watched it, it went from no moderation to harsh moderation (nearly every thread was shut down) to a reasonable level. Then it was fully locked, shortly before gleemax took over. The NSFW parts were the most well-known and gave the area a bad rep; they clearly needed to go. It's a shame the important, truly mature threads were lost.

On criticism: A lot of it is that I don't know anyone very well, and the format leads itself to me listing out every single detail. In person, I know when to stop. I'll consider speaking up more.
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57193048 wrote:
You should never explain layers to people unless one of the following is true: they're studying for a judge exam, you're both in a Ben Affleck movie and it's the only way to save the world, or you hate them.
56663526 wrote:
We try to maintain the illusion that Magic cards are written in English.
56333196 wrote:
69511863 wrote:
Hell, if they steal from us, we'd be honored.
oh my god, AWESOME! Then changing the Slivers was your idea! haha lol
56734518 wrote:
Occassionally when catering, I've been put the task of arranging Fruit and Cheese or Grilled Vegetable platters. More than once a high class buffet has started with the mark of Phyrexia upon it. Since i've got a good eye for color so it looks great to people who don't get the "joke" (it's a niceley divided circle after all: the outline gives you 4-6 "regions" to work with), this has actually got me put on platter design more often, resulting in Phyrexia's presence at more private and industry events.
I have 6917 Planeswalker points, that's probably more than you. [c=Hero's Resolve]"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune, mana screw; they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures." Gerrard of the Weatherlight[/c]
In your experience, and I know some of this is going to be colored by your attitude to the material, but in your experience did the presence of specifically sexually explicit content foster an environment of... well, awfulness for lack of a better term? Or was it more the lack of (self-)moderation?
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I thought it was the lack of moderation that did it in. After any crackdown, there was a steady "worsening." There was never a clear guideline on what was acceptable, and back when the mods actually talked to us, some of them said they had no idea what to do with the mature area. By the time guidelines were set, the area had such a terrible reputation that there was no saving it.

I think the lesson to be learned here is: Have guidelines about what can be posted, and quickly deal with infractions. The possible benefits are worth the risk. You might want to protect the Expanded Muliverse name from being tarnished if your NSFW area fails.
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57193048 wrote:
You should never explain layers to people unless one of the following is true: they're studying for a judge exam, you're both in a Ben Affleck movie and it's the only way to save the world, or you hate them.
56663526 wrote:
We try to maintain the illusion that Magic cards are written in English.
56333196 wrote:
69511863 wrote:
Hell, if they steal from us, we'd be honored.
oh my god, AWESOME! Then changing the Slivers was your idea! haha lol
56734518 wrote:
Occassionally when catering, I've been put the task of arranging Fruit and Cheese or Grilled Vegetable platters. More than once a high class buffet has started with the mark of Phyrexia upon it. Since i've got a good eye for color so it looks great to people who don't get the "joke" (it's a niceley divided circle after all: the outline gives you 4-6 "regions" to work with), this has actually got me put on platter design more often, resulting in Phyrexia's presence at more private and industry events.
I have 6917 Planeswalker points, that's probably more than you. [c=Hero's Resolve]"Destiny, chance, fate, fortune, mana screw; they're all just ways of claiming your successes without claiming your failures." Gerrard of the Weatherlight[/c]
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