thragtusk and countering him...

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If my oppenent plays a Thragtusk and I counter with an Essence Backlash, would it be correct that they never get the 5 life from him and they would take 5 damage becase of my counter, and they also would not get the 3/3 token? All this because the tusk was never actually allowed to resolve correct?

thanks for the help in advance
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for either of Thragtusk's trigger to trigger it has to first enter the battlefield
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If my oppenent plays a Thragtusk and I counter with an Essence Backlash, would it be correct that they never get the 5 life from him and they would take 5 damage becase of my counter, and they also would not get the 3/3 token? All this because the tusk was never actually allowed to resolve correct?

thanks for the help in advance



Correct. It would move from the stack to the graveyard. Since it was never on the battlefield, neither ability will trigger.

You're correct. No life gain and no 3/3 token.



The Thragtusk spell was countered, therefore it never entered the battlefield (never became a permanent), it went from the stack (where spells exists) to the graveyeard. So Thragtusk's two abilities didn't trigger.


And of course, your opponent is dealt 5 damage from Essence Backlash. This part doesn't even care if the creature was actually countered or not (even if the creature spell was Loxodon Smither or cast with Cavern of Souls's mana, the creature isn't countered but Essence Backlash's damage is still dealt).

[<o>]
Note that if something triggers when a spell is cast (rather than when a permanent "enters the battlefield"), then countering the spell wont stop the trigger (in fact, the trigger condition has already been met, and the triggered ability itself will already be on the stack before you can respond with your counter).

For example, if your opponent had a Wurm's Tooth and cast Thragtusk, he would gain 1 life even if you countered it. Replace Wurm's Tooth with Soul Warden Essence Warden and he would not gain life.

Hope that helps

~ Tim
I am Blue/White Reached DCI Rating 1800 on 28/10/11. :D
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56287226 wrote:
190106923 wrote:
Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]
56957928 wrote:
57799958 wrote:
That makes no sense to me. If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed? ~ Tim
Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch. YAY COLOR IDENTITY
56287226 wrote:
56888618 wrote:
Is algebra really that difficult?
Survey says yes.
56883218 wrote:
57799958 wrote:
You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.
I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
56287226 wrote:
56735468 wrote:
And no judge will ever give you a game loss for playing snow covered lands.
I now have a new goal in life. ;)
thank you all very much that helps a lot.
Soul Warden

my OCD wants this to be Essence Warden, so we remain in mono-green

thank you

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Soul Warden

my OCD wants this to be Essence Warden, so we remain in mono-green


thank you



No! Make it a Soul's Attendant, so we can talk endlessly about missed triggers!

[<o>]
Make it a Soul's Attendant, so we can talk endlessly about missed triggers!

I share the feeling!

If I steal a hundred dollar from a loot of one thousand, people might notice;

If I steal a hundred dollar from a loot of one million, I might get away with it;

If I wish to steal even more and still go unnoticed, I need to make the loot bigger.

 

Now you know why taxes always go up.

 

Looting: ''the plundering of public assets by corrupt or greedy authorities'' (Wikipedia)

Soul Warden

my OCD wants this to be Essence Warden, so we remain in mono-green

thank you



Edited.

(TBH I almost put Essence Warden in the first time, but I wasnt 100% sure on the card wording, since it was from before I started playing)

I will try to remember for future. ;)

~ Tim       

I am Blue/White Reached DCI Rating 1800 on 28/10/11. :D
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56287226 wrote:
190106923 wrote:
Not bad. But what happens flavor wise when one kamahl kills the other one?
Zis iz a sign uf deep psychological troma, buried in zer subconscious mind. By keelink himzelf, Kamahl iz physically expressink hiz feelinks uf self-disgust ova hiz desire for hiz muzzer. [/GermanPsychologistVoice]
56957928 wrote:
57799958 wrote:
That makes no sense to me. If they spelled the ability out on the card in full then it would not be allowed in a mono-black Commander deck, but because they used a keyword to save space it is allowed? ~ Tim
Yup, just like you can have Birds of paradise in a mono green deck but not Noble Hierarch. YAY COLOR IDENTITY
56287226 wrote:
56888618 wrote:
Is algebra really that difficult?
Survey says yes.
56883218 wrote:
57799958 wrote:
You want to make a milky drink. You squeeze a cow.
I love this description. Like the cows are sponges filled with milk. I can see it all Nick Parks claymation-style with the cow's eyes bugging out momentarily as a giant farmer squeezes it like a squeaky dog toy, and milk shoots out of it.
56287226 wrote:
56735468 wrote:
And no judge will ever give you a game loss for playing snow covered lands.
I now have a new goal in life. ;)