Mono-Black discard deck. need advice

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Hello there people, 
Well, I have this deck with me since a couple of years now and I think it's time for me to get it up to date. It stills gives me lots of wins (1v1 and two-headed giant also), but I haven't checked for newer and better cards so... that's it, take a look and tell me what you think of it. (main problem, 63 cards)

Main 'combos':
- All cards that make your opponent discard + Liliana's Caress
- Mimic Vat imprinting Liliana's Specter
- get onto my battlefield Painful Quandary ASAP, with Dark Rituals

LANDS
18 Swamp
1 Cabal Coffers

CREATURES
4 Augur of Skulls
4 Hypnotic Specter
4 Liliana's Specter
2 Nyxathid
2 Shimian Specter
2 Guul Draz Specter

SPELLS
4 Dark Ritual
4 Funeral Charm
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Liliana's Caress
1 Liliana Vess
2 Painful Quandary
2 Quest for the Nihil Stone
4 The Rack
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...put in a couple dragonskull summits to cast blightning?
I don't know, this deck looks like it's already pretty well put together. 

To deal with the 63 card problem, I'd just say that the deck has enough redundancy where you can cut something without worrying too much. Both Shimian Specters and a single augur or Liliana's specter could do.

Oh, I guess one of these could work over a funeral charm depending on how much you value the other options. 
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IMO you need more land than 19.  YOur land base should be at least 22 to 24.  I agree with thebringer that shimian can go.  I would also ditch painful quandary.  By the time you can cast it either you will win or lose the game.  A few things i would change would be drop Mimic Vat and Liliana Vess, reason being you only have one so the chances of drawing it consistently are very slim to none.  Drop one if not two of Liliana's Caress. This card will be a dead draw or card once they have no cards in hand.   Those cuts right there equal 8.

What to do this these changes.  First your deck was at 63 so if you take off 3 from 8 you only have 5 changes.  I would put at least 3 of those into swamps even then i feel it's light on mana but you could live with that. The other two you need some draw. Sign in blood will help you with that.  Beacuse you will empty your hand trying to get your opponent to zero cards.

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I'd drop the Cabal Coffers.  None of your spells are particularly expensive and it only starts to give you more mana on turn 5 (four Swamps and it gives you six mana as opposed to five).  It's really only good when you can draw tons of cards (and subsequently play most cards in your hand) and/or pump it into an X spell.

Second the Sign in Blood suggestion.

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Thoughts on this;
Drops;
Liliana's Specter - in 1-on-1 I don't find it's worth the cost.
Liliana's Caress - Early game you want to be making them Discard or casting Hippy; byt the time you should be willing to play this, it shouldn't matter to much.
Shimian Specter - Over priced; though you do get to choose the card...I would drop either him OR Guul Draz Specter (personally I'd drop both - I did from my deck)
Funeral Charm - I try to avoid anything that let's them choose what to discard. 
Augur of Skulls - I'm not sure about this guy; I'd cut him personally for something better (Batman)
Liliana Vess - Walkers (IMO) are over-rated unless you have a deck designed to abuse and protect them.  5 mana should get you a real threat threat.
Cabal Coffers - An amazing land but honestly, as TheShadow344 mentioned, you don't have the costs to make real use of it; especially without card draw.

Adds:
Duress - It's a staple and should be in almost every Black deck, but ESPECIALLY Discard.
Inquisition of kozilek - pricey but effective; if it's too costly (which I wouldn't blame you for) you could always go with Despise.  it's less effective but if your meta is creature heavy should be ok.
Phyrexian Arena - You'll need some draw; you could always opt for the already mention Sign in Blood
I would like to see another threat; 
Vampire Nighthawk aka Batman - He's cheap and OP.  Almost an auto 4-of (IMO) in most Black decks.
Possibly another big threat but that's you're call; I like Phyrexian Obliterator he's 4-mana and you almost WANT them to block or Burn him.  Expensive right now but some places probably have him cheap.  You could always go [cMassacre Wurm]another way[/c] with the threat though.

Anyway, sorry for taking apart half your deck; you can use 1 or all or none of my ideas.  It's up to you.  Cheers.
One thing I forgot to mention...

Up the Quest for the Nihil Stone count to 4.  First turn Dark Ritual, Quest, Hymn to Tourach gives you a "fully-charged" Quest.  The Quest is better than Liliana's Caress IMO, but that could be because my discard deck aims to strip my opponent of their hand as fast as possible :P.

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Damia ()

Ghave ()

Sliver Overlord ()