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So I've playtested this a bit, but ir needs some work:

Creatures:
4 Thrull Parasite
3 Bloodthrone Vampire
3 Demonic Taskmaster
4 Geralf's Messenger
2 Desecration Demon
1 Obzedat, Ghost Council

Spells:
2 Elixir of Immortality
4 Cloudshift
4 Contaminated Ground
1 Essence Harvest
3 One Thousand Lashes
1 Conjurer's Closet
1 Sphere of Safety
2 Exquisite Blood

Land:
4 Isolated Chapel
4 Orzhov Guildgate
4 Godless Shrine
9 Swamp
4 Plains

The basic idea is slow them down with Contaminated Ground, then assault with the Messenger and Taskmaster (using the Thrull to endlessly feed the Taskmaster with the Messenger).  So far the Cloudshift isn't doing much.  I think I could get rid of them for something (Maybe Bump in the Night).  Any comments would be welcome!
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wow, I just realized I have ten enchantments...maybe Ethereal Armor?
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You could, if wasn't that everybody says Contamined Ground sucks as hell ( don't know why cause i'm a noob)

What's the purpose of Bloodthrone Vampire ? I mean, if you want to sacrifice a creature you already have Demonic Taskmaster. What's more, you should use Cartel Aristocrat and throw away both. Buff your aristocrat with Ethereal Armor and you have an unblockable spear, even if i don't think is a good idea

Orzhov lives for half part by life gain, if you burn yourself with parasite, you're screwed easily since Orzhov doesn't have a solid defense like a simic  or a selesnya

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for the most there are cheap creatures, they die, you leech life with Blood Artist, you rianimate all of them with [c]Immortal Servitude[c]
I like the cloudshift for the messenger here. Looks good.
you have sac outlets, but nothing to do with them?  Why not use Blooooooooooooooood Artist?  he's amazing with sacrifice.

Demonic Taskmaster doesn't have a home here. Don't get me wrong, I love me some taskmaster,  but he needs a special kind of deck for him.

(I run an amazing B/G loner deck that just RAAAAAAPES), especially now that Alpha Authority is out, I have some reliable way to make my taskmaster immortal, for the most part :D

Scrap the contaminated ground and use Stab Wound instead.

Also,  throw in some Soul Tithes,  and another sphere of safety.

Scrap the Elixir of Immortality,  you have enough life gain as it is.
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You could, if wasn't that everybody says Contamined Ground sucks as hell ( don't know why cause i'm a noob)

What's the purpose of Bloodthrone Vampire ? I mean, if you want to sacrifice a creature you already have Demonic Taskmaster. What's more, you should use Cartel Aristocrat and throw away both. Buff your aristocrat with Ethereal Armor and you have an unblockable spear, even if i don't think is a good idea

Orzhov lives for half part by life gain, if you burn yourself with parasite, you're screwed easily since Orzhov doesn't have a solid defense like a simic  or a selesnya

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for the most there are cheap creatures, they die, you leech life with Blood Artist, you rianimate all of them with [c]Immortal Servitude[c]



Bloodthrone was the cheapest sacrifice outlet I could find in standard.  So far, in combo with two messengers on the attack, she's worked out wonderfully.  The Taskmaster has underperformed, but it might be because I havent drawn him as much.  I LIKE your idea of the Aristocrat!  Before you mentioned the Armor, I could not figure out what you were getting at, but that is brilliant.

As for the parasite.  The whole idea is as long as I have more life than you, you're going to lose.  I think I may need more life gaining functions though.

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Blood artist, falkenrath noble are like extort activated by death. Try them out.
you have sac outlets, but nothing to do with them?  Why not use Blooooooooooooooood Artist?  he's amazing with sacrifice.

Demonic Taskmaster doesn't have a home here. Don't get me wrong, I love me some taskmaster,  but he needs a special kind of deck for him.

(I run an amazing B/G loner deck that just RAAAAAAPES), especially now that Alpha Authority is out, I have some reliable way to make my taskmaster immortal, for the most part :D

Scrap the contaminated ground and use Stab Wound instead.

Also,  throw in some Soul Tithes,  and another sphere of safety.

Scrap the Elixir of Immortality,  you have enough life gain as it is.



I thought about Blood Artist, but I didnt think enough creatures would be dying to justify him.  I could give him a shot though.  I use the sac outlets on the Messenger and then remove the +1/+1 counter with the Thrull, which essentially gives me unlimited (based on my life total) Shocks aimed at the opposing player.

The Ground has worked out great in the deck, especially in combo with the Extort.  I don't think I want the Stab wounds AND Lashes in mainboard, although it would probably be a good sideboard against G/W Humans or something too fast for my life total to equal the wincon.

I think you're right about the Soul Tithes.  The Safety comes in way too late so far to be of real use, the tithes would further muck up (in combo with the Ground) my opponents mana curve.

As for the elixir, I'm definitely willing to dump it, especially if I get rid of Cloudshift, but I play testing shows I BARELY have enough life gain as is.

I'd love to see your deck though, making this deck brought the Taskmaster to my attention and I'd love to make him useful.  I was thinking B/G/W tokens could make good use of him, but I'd like to see what your using.

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That's where the blood artist would come in. 

Maybe throw in Lingering Souls too, for some chump blockers, evasion,  semi cheap spell for extort as well.  Throw in Blind Obedience too,  to help your offence since they come in tapped they can't block right away  and to stave off artifacts/haste users. Also another good extort card.


I'm going to be running a  NASTY B/W/u Orzhov Spirit deck...  I'm going to wait til friday before I post it though :D 
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I've got Obedience sideboarded right now, I had it main deck, but it was a waste if I wasn't playing against Haste.  The extra extort couldnt justify it staying in after playtests.

I think I'll try Blood Artist...not looking forward to looking up the prices lol. 
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Scrap the Elixir of Immortality,  you have enough life gain as it is.



The Elixir of Immortality is really useful against that thorn of a dimir deck, deserve a seat in the sideboard

You need some kill card: Murder / Ultimate Price Stab Wound for burn

the Syndic of Tithes and Basilica Screecher are good too for extort.

I don't get it, you want a zombie deck or an extort deck? 
Syndic of Tithes and Basilica screecher are CRAP for Standard.   Outside of extorting they are very useless bodies.

They are meant for Limited. Not constructed play.

I will admit the elixir is a good counter to mill and dimir. 
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I don't get it, you want a zombie deck or an extort deck? 



 
Just because he has Messenger doesn't make it a zombie deck.

He's mostly using the Messenger for it's "entering the battlefield" trigger. Via cloudshift and the sacrifice outlet,  as well as removing the +1 counter by paying 2 life to keep bringing the Messenger back.

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I don't get it, you want a zombie deck or an extort deck? 



 
Just because he has Messenger doesn't make it a zombie deck.

He's mostly using the Messenger for it's "entering the battlefield" trigger. Via cloudshift and the sacrifice outlet,  as well as removing the +1 counter by paying 2 life to keep bringing the Messenger back.




This.  

I really wanted a mono black burn deck but there aren't enough Bumps in the Standard (terrible pun).
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Crypt Ghast would truly help with a mono black burn deck....   throw in essence harvest, grisel brand,  and some other burn spells.

There's a ton of X(B) spells.  My favorite one is  Killing Wave, especially mixed with Blood Artist,  that way they're taking dmg EITHER WAY. I've won SOOOOOOOOO many games with  2 Blood Artists on the field,  a few tokens and a nice  6-7 hard casted Killing wave,  i sac everything so they at LEAST take 12-14 dmg (usually would have 4-5 tokens out :P ),  then they have to decide if they REALLY want to take that 6-7 or 2 dmg per creature (due to the blood artists).

Not to mention you could extort as well! (so you could get away with cheaper killing waves)

You could use Deathwind  or some kind of shade that needs  (B) to pump. 

Liliana's Shade....  wait.  Gateway Shade is cheaper,  or you can do the immortal undying with Evernight Shade
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so now the point is mono black focused on Crypt Ghast? Could be awesome. On one side you won't have Cloudshift for your zombie, but you'll have the improvement of playing with only swamps ( instead of non basic lands). You'll have the mana for everything you want, but remember that your Crypt Ghast should be always alive, so keep it with a Ring of Xathrid or something that might save it. With more mana to extort you'll have no more problem to stay alive with a Elixir of Immortality.

Noohj, what do you think of Undying Evil? is it good to save important creatures? Mikaeus, the Unhallowed?
 
You can still run Godless Shrines though!  They still count as SWAMPS!!

So you can still get your splash of white in for your cloudshift/obdezat! 
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The way to beat Dimir is not Elixir, it's Witchbane Orb.
Witchbane is a great card, very underrated.  Not many people expect it.
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To me, it looks like a mainstay in every post-Gatecrash sideboard, if not main deck.
I think High Priest of Penance would like that Ethereal Armor if you're still putting it in.
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Oh man, I go to bed and wake up to so many great ideas!

I might revisit the mono-black burn deck.

I like the High Priest, Ethereal Armor combo, I was looking for a cheap yet reliable way to make him deadly.  How fun would it be to have four of him on the board, each with +1/+1 and then Izzet Staticaster them?  lol.  Too much work, but one can dream.
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Hmmm...both the caster and the priest are humans....Cavern of Souls might make it playable.
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RAAAAAAPES.



First off, stow this language. I can ignore a lot of stuff on the net, but using this word as a synonym for winning is wrong on many, many levels and socially toxic.

Onto the deck:

You are trying to do waaaaaaaay to many things here. You can make a black reach deck without, well, reaching so much. If you want to kill them slowly, you need to slow them down first. Employ some removal and disruption to ensure that you and your threats are safe. 

Your threats should function well on their own. Thrull Parasite + Messenger + sac outlet is cute, but the first and last card here are rarely good enough by themselves (unless the sac outlet is Falkenrath Aristocrat). Obzedat is good as well. Deathrite shaman fits in here too well, you should have a higher than average ratio of spells to dudes, so activating his ability should be easy and provide you with some extra reach. You also have access to both of the M13 Knights, which block dang near everything in the current meta, outside of straight-up RDW.

If you want to run extort cards, use Blind Obedience. Hedges you against Red's hasty dudes, and gives you an extra attack through each blocker they play, giving you a whole additional draw step to find removal for it. 

Here's an example:



Completely untested, off the top of my head, but none of these cards are bad on their own, and they all play well together. 
the combination of Shaman with sorceries looks good but... why the knights? Knight of Glory and Orzhov Charm are the only white card, with Blind Obedience. You could play a mono black deck with discard rats
I picked the Knights for their defensive capabilities. They both block a LOT of early aggresors very well, and they can turn sideways through some of hte more obnoxious blockers if needed.

Obzedat is also a white card, and he really wants to be at this party. Splashing in some white on the back of B/W duals doesn't inhibit the flow of the deck enough to warrent cutting the color and losing some versatility.

Lingering Souls could see a spot here if the need to gum up the board becomes a thing. 
[You are trying to do waaaaaaaay to many things here.


Really, I was trying to do one thing here:  Direct Damage..  You are right though the deck, in playtesting, is actually turning out to be more of an aggro deck which uses Extort and some simple life gain to stay afloat.  It actually plays pretty well, but there is room for improvement.

You're right on the money with the Shaman.  Direct damage, Mana and Life gain all in one package.

I probably should get rid of the Thrull, but he is my little project for this Standard.  I want him to be useful lol.  I might just shift this more aggro and pump up the Desecration Demon's and build a whole new list for a Black Burn deck.

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Thrull would be a fine sideboard card vs. any superfriends deck, since it helps hose 'walkers. It's ability is too costly to warrent comboing it with anything else, unless that thing gains you more than 2 life.
I think High Priest of Penance would like that Ethereal Armor if you're still putting it in.



Not really actually. The first strike pretty much negates the preist's effect.
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