You get diddly without proficiency.
OD&D, 1E and 2E challenged the player. 3E challenged the character, not the player. Now 4E takes it a step further by challenging a GROUP OF PLAYERS to work together as a TEAM. That's why I love 4E.
"Your ability to summon a horde of celestial superbeings at will is making my ... BMX skills look a bit redundant."
"People treat their lack of imagination as if it's the measure of what's silly. Which is silly." - Noon
"Keep On The Shadowfell" would be hailed as a brilliant, revolutionary triumph in game design if it were followed by the words "A Pathfinder Adventure Path by Paizo."
"Falling down is how you grow. Staying down is how you die. It's not what happens to you, it's what you do after it happens.”