May I choose a number in range 0-7 or 1-6?

May I choose a number in range 0-7 or 1-6?

#1
Thu Jan 17, 2013 - 2:42pm

May I choose a number in range 0-7 or 1-6?

#2
Thu, 01/17/2013 - 14:47

Shapeshifter's ability functions while not on the battlefield, but since it can't determine "the last chosen number", 0 is used instead. That means its power is 0 and its toughness is 7-0 = 7.

208.2a The card may have a characteristic-defining ability that sets its power and/or toughness according to some stated condition. (See rule 604.3.) Such an ability is worded "[This creature's] [power or toughness] is equal to . . ." or "[This creature's] power and toughness are each equal to . . ." This ability functions everywhere, even outside the game.If the ability needs to use a number that can't be determined, including inside a calculation, use 0 instead of that number.Example: Lost Order of Jarkeld has power and toughness each equal to 1+*. It has the abilities "As Lost Order of Jarkeld enters the battlefield, choose an opponent" and "Lost Order of Jarkeld's power and toughness are each equal to 1 plus the number of creatures the chosen player controls." While Lost Order of Jarkeld isn't on the battlefield, there won't be a chosen player. Its power and toughness will each be equal to 1 plus 0, so it's 1/1.

(Note: this is my second reply to the question. I initially answered that they would be undefined, and thus treated as 0/0. I deleted that answer after looking up the above rule)

#3
Thu, 01/17/2013 - 16:38

I ping it as one question is left unanswered.

#4
Thu, 01/17/2013 - 16:46

Shapeshifter allows you to choose in the range 0-7.

#5
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 10:30

Shapeshifter allows you to choose in the range 0-7.

Shapeshifter says «choose a number

Doesn't that mean the same as

#6
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 11:08

1) in the time, space, or interval that separates

2) from one to another of

The use of the second definition is perfectly acceptable, and is in common use in English. I agree that your wording is less ambiguous, however.

#7
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 14:15

If «Choose a color between White and Black» gives you only two choices, Black or White,

shouldn't «Choose a number between 0 and 7» also give you only two choices, zero or seven?

#8
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:24

The CR doesn't define "between," so we're on our own on this one ^_^;

#9
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 15:38

e.g.

"Pick a number between 1 and 10."

"Between 25% and 40% off."

#10
Fri, 01/18/2013 - 19:23

The Antiquities printing of this card didn't even allow seven to be chosen; only zero to six...