[GTC] Gatecrash Money Cards Thread

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The prices on Madhouse show the usual price gouging and unreal expectations on cards... perhaps even more than previous sets.

www.magicmadhouse.co.uk/magic-the-gather...

Shocklands - £12 ($18)... as expected

Gideon, Champion of Justice - £25 ($37)... what?
Aurelia's Fury - £25 ($37)... well, clearly designed to be "this set's most powerful tournament-level card", so whatever
Obzedat, Ghost Council - £20 ($30)... I think this is a very good card, but not £20-worth of good.
Domri Rade - £20 ($30)... what??? (this may not be a Tibalt but I'm not convinced its even a Vraska)
Aurelia, the Warleader - £12 ($18).. excuse me?
Prime Speaker Zegana - £12 ($18)... well, I'd say that this is more justified than Aurelia, but its still overpriced.

No price yet on duskmantle seer, which I am expecting to be overpriced due to its dark confidant templating.

That's the top 11 thus far, but with most mythics spoiled, unlikely to see too much change at the top. Any other predictions?
Dat profit margin...
Anyone who pays $37 for Gideon 2.0 is, to put it bluntly.....completely retarded.
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Priest of Penance will be a sleeper hit, then be a $10~ish card.  Aurelia's Fury is easily the best card in the set so far.  Domri Rade has some potential, but not as a turn 3 planeswalker.  Someone is going to break Gideon wide open.  He has potential, but it isn't obvious, the same as Gideon 1.0 wasn't; that said, Gideon 1.0 was stronger imo.

The Duskmantle Seer will see standard play, at best. 
For comparison the pre-order prices at manaleak.com have all of those at the same price apart from Aurelia's Fury which is at £30 rather than £25... I suspect it's the card that's going to fluctuate in price the most to begin with.

They also have Duskmantle Seer listed at £10... which may be worth buying a couple of in case the price does shoot up post-release. 
But there's really nothing about Gideon 2.0 to break wide open.  His abilities are about as blunt as can be, no surprises.  I think he'll tank to the $10 level even faster than Vraska did.

Aurelia's Fury is good, no doubt, but nowhere near a $30 card.  She'll probably hit the $15-20 range fairly quick and possibly hover there for a while depending on how much play it sees.

The Priest vexes me a bit.  I can see the potential in it, however it'll take some play to really prove if it's good enough.  A lot of time the card will just be a 1/1 Deathtouch for two mana, and last I checked Typhoid Rats doesn't see much play... 
It seems like a sweet enough card but a lot of times you can reasonably play around its effect.


Given the cards spoiled so far and excluding the shock lands, I think the cards that have the potential to retain the highest prices for the longest period of time include Obzedat and Aurelia's Fury for sure.  Both planeswalkers will most like hit $10 in short order.  Zegana is the card I want to keep an eye on.  I don't really see her ever going up in price but I can't imagine her at $5 either.  I get a little wary whenever a card involves drawing cards.  Sphinx's Revelation started out at $4-5 after all...
I think Glaring Spotlight will be worth something.
Most places are selling those cards for between 5-10 dollars less than what you listed.

I really don't get why Gideon is so much. He's wholly mediocre outside of EDH. I wouldn't mind one in my Human deck, but not at 30$.

Much like with RtR, I'm sure in a month most of those cards will be half what they are now. If I had to predict the prices of those listed cards by the time DM spoilers begin

Gideon: 8-10
Aureilias Fury: This one is too difficult for me to comment on. Likely less than 20, though.
Ghost Dad 2 Electric Boogaloo: 10-15
Domri: 8-10
Aureilia: 5
Zegana: I don't know because she might be something for Merfolk decks in other formats outside of standard.

In my experience, cards that preorder high tend to go WAY down and cards that look like gems and preorder for low go up. I remember when Armada Wurm was going for 20, Jace, Architecht of Thought was going for 50, and Trostani, Selesnya's Voice was going for 12-15.

Now all of those are less than half of their original prices. It's why I'm very VERY cautious on preordering cards.
The question is:


Is it cheaper to buy the whole set (about £130) than it would be to buy each card individually when the dust settles?

Also, I expect Thespian's Stage may be a staple in control decks (another Drownyard anyone) and therefore be fairly expensive.    
Ghost Council I envision not hovering.  It's a very solid card, but I don't think its the format breaking type, nor is it a staple card.  It is a high demand, so I imagine it will fetch a good 15-20 for a while shortly after release, and then probably drop to the $10 range.

\As for Fury, I think it will go up and down as it matures in the format.  I think the price may sky-rocket initially as people want it, possibly into the 40+$ range (A whole lot of hype about it), then plummet down to the Sphynxy levels.

Priest I can see having potential to reach 10-ish dollars and hover.  Probably closer to five though I imagine, but I'll be holding onto all the ones I get because it does seem like a sleeper.  And if it doesn't raise in price, it's cool because I it's pretty "meh" in price right now.

Both Planeswalkers will be in the 10$ range pretty quickly, and Gideon sooner than Domri.  I'm not surprise by the prices of them currently, as all Planeswalkers have the Planeswalker Redshift effect, with ludicrous prices at release that dwindle shortly.


Zegana should keep a healthy price methinks.  There's enough in standard currently to justify the price, and crazy good card draw that is repeatable is a huge draw for people.

I expect Whispering Madness to fetch a decent sum, given that that one jank-rare from the original Ravnica is in the $15 range, and this has a bit more potential(Although cannot be put on the Isochron stick).  Probably no more than 5-10 though.  Although I wouldn't be at all surprised if it ends up in the bargain bin either.  Actually, I'm going to put this with all the Dimir Rares.  I can see some of them fetching a decent sum, but at the same time can see the same cards being completely worthless.

Also, Spark Trooper.  I think this will be a decent money card, and while in standard fetch around $3-5.  Maybe up to $10 or so if it finds a good home in the format.

Clan Defiance will probably be medium-priced in the 5-10$ spot. 

*ponders*

Thespian's Stage will probably be as expensive as Vesuva, if not more so.  Has a bit of use in Standard, however this type of ability is pretty dang good in both modern and Legacy.  I imagine it will be the Deathrite Shaman of the set, where it will be low on the price initially but once it finds a place it will get considerably more expensive.  Other than that, I doubt many others will fetch $5+ in price, and I really haven't seen anything I would expect to reach higher than $10. 


And how could I forget:  Signal the Clans, the "random" tutor.  I think it will net around $5 as it will find a home in Zoo archetypes and EDH. 
Spark Elemental is going to be expensive. It's 6/6 for a 4 drop haster and is a great card to have 3 or 4 of in the sideboard in case of an aggro-vs-aggro matchup. Hellrider is still better, with less colour restriction too, so probably at 8-10 dollars when it stabilizes.

Duskmantle Seer is.. eh. It's full of potential, but that's pretty much it. Someone will break it and boom goes the dynamite, though the only synergy I can see with this card is exquisite blood. Should probably get 3 or 4 of for the future... Maybe they'll be an enchantment: whenever target player loses life, you draw a card or something and make him so kind of aura king.

Aurelia's Fury is going to be obviously the best card. It's useful for aggro, control... it's just useful for every format that uses it.

Glaring Spotlight will be expensive too, if not just for its unblockable, uncounterable assault.

Clan Defiance just because it's an x spell that's like a mini bonfire

Zegana could see play in bant control. The etb effect goes very well with all the fun stuff happenstance. 
The question is:


Is it cheaper to buy the whole set (about £130) than it would be to buy each card individually when the dust settles?

Also, I expect Thespian's Stage may be a staple in control decks (another Drownyard anyone) and therefore be fairly expensive.    



I'd say wait till the dust settles.  Reason being that granted some cards will go up dramatically in price, however most of them will plummet hard.  It'll end up being less money in the long run(Unless through some fluke there is an 80$+ card when all is said and done).


The question is:


Is it cheaper to buy the whole set (about £130) than it would be to buy each card individually when the dust settles?

Also, I expect Thespian's Stage may be a staple in control decks (another Drownyard anyone) and therefore be fairly expensive.    



I'd say wait till the dust settles.  Reason being that granted some cards will go up dramatically in price, however most of them will plummet hard.  It'll end up being less money in the long run(Unless through some fluke there is an 80$+ card when all is said and done).





lol I bet it's priest of penance. Someone in EDH will slap an "invinvible this turn" and gun down everyone's lands/permanent with grapeshot or something.
The question is:


Is it cheaper to buy the whole set (about £130) than it would be to buy each card individually when the dust settles?

Also, I expect Thespian's Stage may be a staple in control decks (another Drownyard anyone) and therefore be fairly expensive.    



I'd say wait till the dust settles.  Reason being that granted some cards will go up dramatically in price, however most of them will plummet hard.  It'll end up being less money in the long run(Unless through some fluke there is an 80$+ card when all is said and done).





lol I bet it's priest of penance. Someone in EDH will slap an "invinvible this turn" and gun down everyone's lands/permanent with grapeshot or something.



Heh.  I honestly wouldn't doubt it, actually.  I've seen far stranger things occur in 12 years of Magic then a pseudo-Vindicate go up dramatically in price.  I can see the Priest being a chase rare, though I'm not going to count on it.

Really, the one rare that I think will rise in price in short order is Thespian's Stage.  Has more potential in Modern and Legacy(And EDH) than pretty much anything, and I think it will be the huge boon in 2-3 months time.
I think the couple of obvious power cards will sit pretty high, but I have my mind on a few that have fallen out of the spotlight that'll make it big whether in standard or modern. This set may not have many, but there are def. a couple of sleepers.
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I think the couple of obvious power cards will sit pretty high, but I have my mind on a few that have fallen out of the spotlight that'll make it big whether in standard or modern. This set may not have many, but there are def. a couple of sleepers.



That's my thoughts as well.  There are a few I'd be willing to do tit-for-tat trading early on as they seem to have some potential to rise in price dramatically (High Priest & Thespian's Stage come to mind).  There are a few that seem like they may be the Deathrite Shamans of the set, starting off as a medium-priced card but rise dramatically in value if they break out in Legacy/Modern.  Not really seeing much in the way of EDH staples that will be worth a ton, but who knows.
I think the couple of obvious power cards will sit pretty high, but I have my mind on a few that have fallen out of the spotlight that'll make it big whether in standard or modern. This set may not have many, but there are def. a couple of sleepers.



That's my thoughts as well.  There are a few I'd be willing to do tit-for-tat trading early on as they seem to have some potential to rise in price dramatically (High Priest & Thespian's Stage come to mind).  There are a few that seem like they may be the Deathrite Shamans of the set, starting off as a medium-priced card but rise dramatically in value if they break out in Legacy/Modern.  Not really seeing much in the way of EDH staples that will be worth a ton, but who knows.



I think Signal the Clans will show up in EDH at the very least.

A lot of the others have potential as well. 
I think the couple of obvious power cards will sit pretty high, but I have my mind on a few that have fallen out of the spotlight that'll make it big whether in standard or modern. This set may not have many, but there are def. a couple of sleepers.



That's my thoughts as well.  There are a few I'd be willing to do tit-for-tat trading early on as they seem to have some potential to rise in price dramatically (High Priest & Thespian's Stage come to mind).  There are a few that seem like they may be the Deathrite Shamans of the set, starting off as a medium-priced card but rise dramatically in value if they break out in Legacy/Modern.  Not really seeing much in the way of EDH staples that will be worth a ton, but who knows.



I think Signal the Clans will show up in EDH at the very least.

A lot of the others have potential as well. 



Ah, true, forgot about that one.  It'll probably be decently priced.

One that  I think is going to be a trap card of the set is Aurelia's Fury.  Yes, its  good, and yes it will be a high-dollar card, but I fully expect that by the time the dust settles it will be roughly half the price it is now.  I would be amazed if it maintains its current value, and even moreso if it goes up further than what it is currently.  As I said it's not that its even remotely bad, its just that I can't forsee it maintaining value.
Don't care about price, I already bought a box. My only challenge is figuring out which shock lands to trade off. I get what I get, and if I pull a money card, well, that's just fine with me.
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Fury and Ghost Council will be worth money and that's it so far.

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