Is this game hacked?

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I might be overreacting, but I want to know if this is true.

I recently played a a few 1vs1 games against a certain guy. I'm playing on Steam btw.

First game he played Pack Instinct and had around a 80 card deck.
He played something like this:
Round 1: Forest.
Round 2: Forest. Nature's lore.
Round 3: Dungrove elder. Forest.
Round 4: Cultivate. Forest.
Round 5: Forest. Bountless Realms.
Round 6: Empties hand with some creatures.

I was playtesting my Rogues Gallery so I had no way of killing the hexproof. Ah well, happens, so GG.

Next game. He picks Exalted Darkness, again a big deck:

Round 1: plain.
Round 2: swamp, plays knight of glory.
Round 3: play cathedral of war.
Round 4: swamp and Angelic Benediction.
Round 5: plains and another Angelic Benediction.

I played a few creatures this game, but was not able to deal with the protection from black. So, he got a lucky start. It happens, right?

Next game, Ancient wilds. I get a slow hand, so nothing much really happens, al he does is play 2 Elvish Visionary.
I enchant one of them with followed footsteps, as I need blockers and cards fast.
He lets it slide one turn. Sees what happens and after that he Beast Within his creature, and plays a caller of the claw.
Long story short, next turn Wild pair hits next turn, and he destroys all my lands soon after.

I'm annoyed at his luck, but keep using Rogues Gallery as I want to playtest it more. We are talking about his luck this night.

Next two games he plays mill.

Both game its roughly the same thing. He plays a land every round. Gets out a Saphire medallion (again I might add) mills me with 2 Mind sculpts, plays 2 Phantasm, cripling chills my threats, traumatizes and plays a chancelor next turn. He even copies it the turn after it.

After this game, I give up. I have been completely dominated for 5 games. He keeps getting the exact right cards needed to thwart me. I can understand sometimes luck is against ya, but with such big decks, I highly doubt it.

Is there a hack that makes it possible for a player to choose the card he draws? Does Wizards now about this and an they stop it? Or am I just completely unlucky?
Check his rating - is he at the top?

I guess that's one of the advantages of playing on a console - can't be hacked.
I think its bad luck, I mess around with the game files quite a bit and don't know of a way to do something like that (I am no expert though). Even if he managed to change files on a deck the game would most likely sync out when trying to start the match. 
It sounds to me like neither cheating, nor bad luck. Sounds to me like your opponent just knows how to build a deck for success. Deck building is an art. Learn how to do that effectively, and you will limit your bad draws, maximize your good draws, and have cards in hand that, chances are, work well together (not to mention having an effective mana curve and stuff like that). What you might call "god draws," I would simply call standard good draws.
If they're somehow managing to play the Nicol Bolas deck, they've hacked their game. Otherwise, it's stacking their odds through deck building.

However, if you look at the iPad ELO rankings, you'll see the top three pages (maybe top five or six pages by now) of ELO ranking has people with 63000+ points. Then it drops to around 3000, instantly. Sure, no hacking there at all. Tongue Out
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However, if you look at the iPad ELO rankings, you'll see the top three pages (maybe top five or six pages by now) of ELO ranking has people with 63000+ points. Then it drops to around 3000, instantly. Sure, no hacking there at all. Tongue Out



I don't think rankings are being hacked.  It's the same deal on PS3 - top 30 places or so have 60000+ something rankings, while the rest is low.  It looks more like a bug with the ELO rating system.  I actually played one of those top guys, and not only was he running a 70 card deck - he was making one bad decision after another.
It sounds to me like neither cheating, nor bad luck. Sounds to me like your opponent just knows how to build a deck for success. Deck building is an art. Learn how to do that effectively, and you will limit your bad draws, maximize your good draws, and have cards in hand that, chances are, work well together (not to mention having an effective mana curve and stuff like that). What you might call "god draws," I would simply call standard good draws.



Whilst what you say about good deck building is of course absolutely right, the fact that his opponent played with an 80 card deck (at least for the first match) might be evidence that this was more likely case of lady luck taking a shine to his opponent.
Certainly, I'm not to say that there isn't hacking going on. I'm merely saying that this is not an example of it. There is even a video on Nemoschannel on YT that shows someone using Bolas' deck against him. and the ELO rankings are also suspect. But this, IMO, doesn't fall under such pervue.

Second, having a good draw in an 80 card deck is certainly lucky, but well within normal variance. And in the destription, the only mention of a deck with excess cards in it was Alphas first two matches (PI and ED: both with less disadvantage than a lot of other decks would have if they weren't trimmed, IMO). For all we know (based on the info given), the other decks he played against could have been finely tuned.

I suppose there isn't enough evidence to make an informed decision on what was happening in Alpha's games, but I find the likelihood of a bit of luck and quite possily some decent skill (at least in most of the guy's deckbuilds) to VASTLY outweigh the likelihood that this guy somehow hacked the system to allow him to choose favorable starting hands, let alone have the time to pick which cards he would want therein for each match...
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The OP made a point to say they were all big decks.
Btw it's about 170 people over 65000 on Ps3.
I subtract that number from my ranking to find my real ranking.

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You know what I've got more issues. Whats up with the story in this game? The adverts said I was going to team up with Chandra and we were going to kick butt and chew bubblegum across the planes on a revenge campaign against some... guy she knew I guess? Who's Ramaz anyway? What do I get instead? I beat Chandra like 2 minutes in with a mono-green stompy thing Garruk gave me (why does he keep giving all these new planeswalkers his deck) and then I spent like 5 hours jumping from plane to plane picking up random nicknacks for her mantlepiece while she sits back back doing her nails or something. I was thrown in jail! I got hit by a Roil Storm twice! Do you know how many rats are on Ravnica, Chandra? All of them! All of the rats! All of the rats eating me!

Then we go kick her Ex's bearded-screaming-butt and what does she do to help? Nothing! She throws of the occasional fire ball and spends her time trying not to freeze to death. You should have worn pants Chandra. While we're on the subject what happened to your shoes? You had like Steelies on. Steelies are cool. Now your running around with stupid boots with like 5-inch heels? Thats not appropriate footware for Planeswalking! That's not appropriate footware for normal walking! At least Liliana is doing it for the whole 'evil is sexy' thing and can summon undead to carry her when she breaks her ankle. What are you going to do ride a Phoenix? Its made of fire! You'll fall right through! Man I should have gone Planeswalking with Liliana - yeah she'd crack my head open with a rock 5 minutes in and raise my corpse to serve her but at least we could have gone dancing!

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The reason I think the high ratings are a bug is because 65535 is the biggest number you can store in a 16 bit unsigned integer.  It's too much of a coincidence for the high scores to be that close to that for no reason.
^+1 The OP made a point to say they were all big decks. Btw it's about 170 people over 65000 on Ps3. I subtract that number from my ranking to find my real ranking.



I do the same on iPad. theres about 95 or so on there right now that are in the range of 65536 (within about 20 points). Makes my real rank around 100 which I don't mind. Anyway, I don't know if it's cheating or just an error, but the number 65536 is no coincidence. It is a well known, often utilized number in programming (being 2^16 or 2^2^2^2^2). It pops up all over the place...
The problem with something like that is that how do you implement it without the other users not having access to it? The game basically syncs out if you try to use any modded files that are not shared by both players.
He was not hacking, he just got lucky. derp derp
Once again thanks for your enlightened words


Sincerely,
Dixie Normus

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

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You know what I've got more issues. Whats up with the story in this game? The adverts said I was going to team up with Chandra and we were going to kick butt and chew bubblegum across the planes on a revenge campaign against some... guy she knew I guess? Who's Ramaz anyway? What do I get instead? I beat Chandra like 2 minutes in with a mono-green stompy thing Garruk gave me (why does he keep giving all these new planeswalkers his deck) and then I spent like 5 hours jumping from plane to plane picking up random nicknacks for her mantlepiece while she sits back back doing her nails or something. I was thrown in jail! I got hit by a Roil Storm twice! Do you know how many rats are on Ravnica, Chandra? All of them! All of the rats! All of the rats eating me!

Then we go kick her Ex's bearded-screaming-butt and what does she do to help? Nothing! She throws of the occasional fire ball and spends her time trying not to freeze to death. You should have worn pants Chandra. While we're on the subject what happened to your shoes? You had like Steelies on. Steelies are cool. Now your running around with stupid boots with like 5-inch heels? Thats not appropriate footware for Planeswalking! That's not appropriate footware for normal walking! At least Liliana is doing it for the whole 'evil is sexy' thing and can summon undead to carry her when she breaks her ankle. What are you going to do ride a Phoenix? Its made of fire! You'll fall right through! Man I should have gone Planeswalking with Liliana - yeah she'd crack my head open with a rock 5 minutes in and raise my corpse to serve her but at least we could have gone dancing!

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Well, its just: in all my years of playing I just never have seen this much luck.

The guy got a landdrop every round.
He got both Chancelors both mill games, at turn 6, thx to the medallion. In both games. There are two of each in the entire deck, and yes he was using big decks all 5 games. Not to mention hitting me with traumatize (in the first millgame twice in a row even). All the while being able to stall me  every chance he had. Thats an awful,awfull, awfull lot of luck.  And similair things happened in 5 seperate games. He kept one upping me.

I checked his ranking, and he is around the 300 mark in 1 vs 1. Not saying much ofcourse: he could have just started playing with this hack, if it really exits ofcourse, or not play a lot of games regardless.

 I read someone doubting my ability to see the difference between a good build and hinting I might have poor judgement on what's luckbased or just skill. I consider myself quite a seasoned player having played Magic since Revised. I have stopped playing a few years, but started when the first DOTP games emerged. But this is not about me, lets just assume I know the rules and know when someone wins by using the cards presented skillfully or just gets exactly every card he needs to counter my plays all the time.
For example, as AI often does)

Is there a precedent for such hacking?
I just had 2 god hands with Pack Instinct after each other the first with 2 Primordial Hydra</a> and Incremental Growth</a>.
The second with Blanchwood Armor</a>,Nature's Lore</a> and Master of the Wild Hunt</a>. My opponent probable thought i was cheating too.
Is there a hack that makes it possible for a player to choose the card he draws?


No.

What you saw might have been statistically improbable, but certainly not impossible. There's a big difference.

It's not impossibluh, just improbabluh
Like they all said, probably just crap luck for you. I have some nights that work like that, others that go the other way.

And as far as the leaderboard thing goes, I thought it was something like "Multiplayer game with three slots:yourself, another player, AI. Boot the other player and start game vs AI." Either that, or just boosting with 2 accounts on 2 computers/virtual computer or something stupid like that. 
Just now - 5-7 my games in a row with no lands in mulligans (up to 4 cards) or the most awful mana screw. Plain misfortune.
Is there a hack that makes it possible for a player to choose the card he draws?


No.

What you saw might have been statistically improbable, but certainly not impossible. There's a big difference.




Thank you, Captain. Obvious or Jack Sparrow? I can't decide. Ah well, the joke is already made.

Anyways, I thought I was clear I know it's not impossible to get those hands. Otherwise I could be certain it was cheating, and as stated I'm not sure. I am leaning toward cheating more because how extremely improbable this looked. Its not one or two games I'm talking about. In al my years of playing magic I have been dominated before, and yes also for 5 games, but not like this. Not this fast and consistent. 

I'm just curious if people know such a hack/mod exists and if so, I hope Wizards can do something about it for their next installment.

I know people cheat on the leaderboards, we can all clearly see impossible numbers on the higspots. This has been the case in every DOTP game as of yet.  I know it's possible to import older decks or bossdecks into the DOTP games. As far as I know, this is not possible online, though I heard mentions of people encountering the Bolas deck online from time to time.
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetai...

Proof of Bolas decks being online from time to time.

In this age of tech I don't doubt people have been looking for a way to increase the odds in their favor for card draws in this game. But it's still improbable. I've played this game for quite some time now and have faced many GAWD hands before like the ones you are describing. I've never played Magic irl so I thought it was just part of the game and someone lucked to the max.

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steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetai...

Proof of Bolas decks being online from time to time.

In this age of tech I don't doubt people have been looking for a way to increase the odds in their favor for card draws in this game. But it's still improbable. I've played this game for quite some time now and have faced many GAWD hands before like the ones you are describing. I've never played Magic irl so I thought it was just part of the game and someone lucked to the max.



Having the Bolas deck is different. I have that deck hacked and can play it online if I chose to (played 2 rounds online to test it), but that is because the Bolas deck is available for all players, it just happens to be hidden. As far as I know you can't manipulate or even be able to chose what cards to draw. You can change what cards are in a deck and how many of them there are in one but I am not sure if that would work online. I suppose you could add 4 Baneslayers to Celestial Light and it might work, I may have to test that......

EDIT: Before I get accuse of cheating I don't care about my rank or my win/loss. 
For SCIENCE!!! ;)

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For SCIENCE!!! ;)



I spend my time building decks for dtop13. I finished Editing/making a selfmill deck last night. :D It has:

Laboratory Maniac
Armored Skaab
Splinterfright
Boneyard Wurm
Genesis

the previous one I built was a Eldrazi Deck it has:
Consume the Meek
All is Dust
Artisan of Kozilek
Ulamog's Crusher
It That Betrays
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre
Emrakul, the Aeons Torn

powered by CloudPost, Eye of Ugin and Vesuva. Its pretty broken and fun. :D The cards themselves were costum made by other people.
Do to the perfect hands I've seen too many times coming from huge decks, I always just assumed Stainless programmed some code to allow that to happen more often or not.
New to the game?
Don't know about cutting down your deck, or incapable in your limited capacity to do so?

We'll let you win against superior players so you stay playing the game and buy more WOTC merch because you are such a good player and now can go to FNM and wupp ass.

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

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You know what I've got more issues. Whats up with the story in this game? The adverts said I was going to team up with Chandra and we were going to kick butt and chew bubblegum across the planes on a revenge campaign against some... guy she knew I guess? Who's Ramaz anyway? What do I get instead? I beat Chandra like 2 minutes in with a mono-green stompy thing Garruk gave me (why does he keep giving all these new planeswalkers his deck) and then I spent like 5 hours jumping from plane to plane picking up random nicknacks for her mantlepiece while she sits back back doing her nails or something. I was thrown in jail! I got hit by a Roil Storm twice! Do you know how many rats are on Ravnica, Chandra? All of them! All of the rats! All of the rats eating me!

Then we go kick her Ex's bearded-screaming-butt and what does she do to help? Nothing! She throws of the occasional fire ball and spends her time trying not to freeze to death. You should have worn pants Chandra. While we're on the subject what happened to your shoes? You had like Steelies on. Steelies are cool. Now your running around with stupid boots with like 5-inch heels? Thats not appropriate footware for Planeswalking! That's not appropriate footware for normal walking! At least Liliana is doing it for the whole 'evil is sexy' thing and can summon undead to carry her when she breaks her ankle. What are you going to do ride a Phoenix? Its made of fire! You'll fall right through! Man I should have gone Planeswalking with Liliana - yeah she'd crack my head open with a rock 5 minutes in and raise my corpse to serve her but at least we could have gone dancing!

Now with more original content and open bar!

https://www.youtube.com/user/thedevilwuster

Thank you, Captain. Obvious or Jack Sparrow? I can't decide.


Hey, you're the one who asked the (really lame) question. Don't act all butt-hurt just because you don't like the answers.

Ah well, the joke is already made.


Yeah, good one. No, really.



Yes, everyone who wins a match is a hacker!
Awesome! Thanks kraven.

Sincerely,
Gabe Athouse

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt. - Mark Twain

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You know what I've got more issues. Whats up with the story in this game? The adverts said I was going to team up with Chandra and we were going to kick butt and chew bubblegum across the planes on a revenge campaign against some... guy she knew I guess? Who's Ramaz anyway? What do I get instead? I beat Chandra like 2 minutes in with a mono-green stompy thing Garruk gave me (why does he keep giving all these new planeswalkers his deck) and then I spent like 5 hours jumping from plane to plane picking up random nicknacks for her mantlepiece while she sits back back doing her nails or something. I was thrown in jail! I got hit by a Roil Storm twice! Do you know how many rats are on Ravnica, Chandra? All of them! All of the rats! All of the rats eating me!

Then we go kick her Ex's bearded-screaming-butt and what does she do to help? Nothing! She throws of the occasional fire ball and spends her time trying not to freeze to death. You should have worn pants Chandra. While we're on the subject what happened to your shoes? You had like Steelies on. Steelies are cool. Now your running around with stupid boots with like 5-inch heels? Thats not appropriate footware for Planeswalking! That's not appropriate footware for normal walking! At least Liliana is doing it for the whole 'evil is sexy' thing and can summon undead to carry her when she breaks her ankle. What are you going to do ride a Phoenix? Its made of fire! You'll fall right through! Man I should have gone Planeswalking with Liliana - yeah she'd crack my head open with a rock 5 minutes in and raise my corpse to serve her but at least we could have gone dancing!

Now with more original content and open bar!

https://www.youtube.com/user/thedevilwuster

Thank you, Captain. Obvious or Jack Sparrow? I can't decide.


Hey, you're the one who asked the (really lame) question. Don't act all butt-hurt just because you don't like the answers.

Ah well, the joke is already made.


Yeah, good one. No, really.






It's not that I did not like the answers, it's that some people did not seem to understand the question. I never stated his plays where impossible, like you made it seem I was saying. I was not trying to really offend with that little play of words, and if it did: I'm sorry. Not intended.
All I wanted to know if people knew a mod like this existet and if that's a really lame question in your eyes, so be it. As it turns out, it seems I was probably wrong: I've seen a few mods mentioned, but not the one I was fearing.

As a side note: For me, the words 'impossible' and 'improbable' are forever connected to the scene where captain Jack pops up unexpectantly in Pirates of the carribean. Love that movie.

If there is proof of any hacks in the wild (e.g. the Nicol Bolas hack) then it proves that the game's security is compromised and other hacks are possible (and I would think likely).

OP's post was entirely reasonable and not at all along the commonly seen lines of "omg everyone hax" that most competitive games see from unskilled and/or ignorant players. Getting 5 hands in a row which were basically "what cards would you chose to play given free reign of your library" perfect, on untrimmed decks, is suspicious (he didn't say it was proof!). And considering that every popular online game in the world is rife with highly sophisticated hacks it's not at all unreasonable to ask if people had seen hacks available for this game.
If there is proof of any hacks in the wild (e.g. the Nicol Bolas hack) then it proves that the game's security is compromised and other hacks are possible (and I would think likely).

OP's post was entirely reasonable and not at all along the commonly seen lines of "omg everyone hax" that most competitive games see from unskilled and/or ignorant players. Getting 5 hands in a row which were basically "what cards would you chose to play given free reign of your library" perfect, on untrimmed decks, is suspicious (he didn't say it was proof!). And considering that every popular online game in the world is rife with highly sophisticated hacks it's not at all unreasonable to ask if people had seen hacks available for this game.



I disagree. It isn't all that reasonable if you think about what that would entail: first, that kind of hack must exist, which is already suspect. Then, someone who doesn't even know enough about magic to trim his decks must be utilizing it, and 3 (the point that makes it the most unlikely IMO), he would have to have had time to go through his library every game and choose the cards he wanted in his grip. Did he really take over 1 minute to ready up for every game? I don't think the OP would have stuck around for 5 games if that were the case. So I disagree. The likelihood that he lucked out FAR outweighs the likelihood of the hack OP is describing...
I disagree. It isn't all that reasonable if you think about what that would entail: first, that kind of hack must exist, which is already suspect.

You mean the Nicol Bolas hack? I don't know whether it exists or not, but a couple of people seem to be saying that there are videos of it. I'm saying if this has been proven, then the rest of my argument follows.
Then, someone who doesn't even know enough about magic to trim his decks must be utilizing it,

Why would you bother trimming your deck if you were using the hack? Also, the hack may require an untrimmed deck.
and 3 (the point that makes it the most unlikely IMO), he would have to have had time to go through his library every game and choose the cards he wanted in his grip. Did he really take over 1 minute to ready up for every game?

It would be trivial for the hack to allow you to preconfigure the cards you want, rather than searching through your entire library every hand.
The likelihood that he lucked out FAR outweighs the likelihood of the hack OP is describing...

Considering how prevalent and sophisticated hacking is in online games I would be surprised if there were none available for this one. I don't know what the numbers are like in terms of players but maybe it's relative obscurity compared to major titles (CoD, BF, etc) keep it somewhat protected. Hacks for those games cost money to purchase and update and maybe there aren't enough DotP players to make it financially worthwhile to hack it. But I have no doubt at all that it's possible to hack this game in exactly the way the OP describes, so discussions like this one are absolutely relevant.
Do you do what discussions like that do? I give everyone that looses a excuse to call the other one cheater,there is nothing else such threads achieve.

Hey, you're the one who asked the (really lame) question. Don't act all butt-hurt just because you don't like the answers.


How do you even manage to feed yourself, dude?
Do you do what discussions like that do? I give everyone that looses a excuse to call the other one cheater,there is nothing else such threads achieve.


Or, you know, proving that people are hacking.

Sure you see a lot of people in other games accuse skillful players of cheating without warrant. But that is because thousands and thousands of people are actually hacking in those games. So what is worse, having the occasional whinge from noobs that you can ignore? Or having people actively cheating against you?

Look at it this way: if OP had started this thread and someone had replied with a link to a website that had hacks for DotP, would you have still made the above statement?

I've had a quick look and (I think the OP said he did the same) and I couldn't find any evidence of DotP multiplayer cheats on the web. And that's probably a pretty good indicator that there aren't any in the wild. But ridiculing the OP for asking the question in a perfectly reasonable manner is just stupid and ignorant.
I did indeed search the web looking for 'DOTP' 'mod' and i found some hits, online and offline mods, but none talk about being able to choose a card out of your library each turn.

I was indeed hoping someone would know more and if this was true, hoping Wizards would do something about it.

Thx for the kind words and support KingEternity! At least you comprehended my posts like I meant them.

I tried to be as open minded as possible but still people are behaving as if I told the world that I don't deserve to lose games. A pity.
As soon as a thread as this came up for 2012, i was called cheater several times for having good hands


I disagree. It isn't all that reasonable if you think about what that would entail: first, that kind of hack must exist, which is already suspect. Then, someone who doesn't even know enough about magic to trim his decks must be utilizing it...



Actually, if a hack like this did exist, it would make the most sense to run most of the cards available to each deck, as a lot of the cards you're going to cut out of your build are going to have unique utility somewhere, it's just that they don't fit your build enough or aren't powerful enough to take up a card when you're beholden to random draws.  If you could actually pick each of your draws, though, this goes away and it makes sense to put every potentially useful card in your deck that you can to allow you to have as many responses to pick from as possible.