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And I don't mean Grixis' style metaphorical. I mean a true bleak afterlife plane.

I for one would love to see Dante's Inferno with the influence of the colors of mana.
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Do you mean a plane with a metaphysical location for the deceased?
The whole plane can't very well be the afterlife.

   
Do you mean a plane with a metaphysical location for the deceased?
The whole plane can't very well be the afterlife.

   



It's already been established that the multiverse has different laws regarding the deceased from different worlds. What happens to the souls varies from world to world.

So you can't have all the dead of the multiverse show up there.

That being said, there have been references to subplanes like The Pit from ages ago, but that's STILL different than this.
Do you mean a plane with a metaphysical location for the deceased?
The whole plane can't very well be the afterlife.

   



It's already been established that the multiverse has different laws regarding the deceased from different worlds. What happens to the souls varies from world to world.

So you can't have all the dead of the multiverse show up there.

That being said, there have been references to subplanes like The Pit from ages ago, but that's STILL different than this.



Not to mention Phyrexias speheres were pretty much a direct reference to Dante's hell.

"The fuel on which science runs is ignorance. Science is like a hungry furnace that must be fed logs from the forests of ignorance that surround us. In the process, the clearing we call knowledge expands, but the more it expands, the longer its perimeter and the more ignorance comes into view." -Matt Ridley, Genome

Do you mean a plane with a metaphysical location for the deceased?
The whole plane can't very well be the afterlife.

   



May be connected to another plane, so long as it's a plane of it's own.

But, overall, it's the hellish aesthetics that matter. Grixis was one thing, but I want to operate on all colours.
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May be connected to another plane, so long as it's a plane of it's own.



Agyrem.
Sort of like that, yes, but Agyrem is simply a room upstairs.
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Sort of like that, yes, but Agyrem is simply a room upstairs.



That would be true except for the fact that it's not.

Agyrem seems pretty neutral. 

"The fuel on which science runs is ignorance. Science is like a hungry furnace that must be fed logs from the forests of ignorance that surround us. In the process, the clearing we call knowledge expands, but the more it expands, the longer its perimeter and the more ignorance comes into view." -Matt Ridley, Genome

Sort of like that, yes, but Agyrem is simply a room upstairs.



That would be true except for the fact that it's not.

Agyrem seems pretty neutral. 



Yeah, it's essentially "You died... get on with your life already."
I'm not sure what the point would be honestly... What would you be trying to show with a plane like that?

Hm, it does spark a thought though--what if a plane had, sort of similar to Kamigawa, or some of the other pocket planes we've seen, a semi-separate afterlife realm... and then the prime plane was destroyed? So, you would have a whole bunch of people who may even have expected to eventually get reincarnated now stranded in an eternal state of half life?

Could be interesting I suppose, and I don't see any compelling reason to say that the planar physics could never work this way. 
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I'm not sure what the point would be honestly... What would you be trying to show with a plane like that?

Hm, it does spark a thought though--what if a plane had, sort of similar to Kamigawa, or some of the other pocket planes we've seen, a semi-separate afterlife realm... and then the prime plane was destroyed? So, you would have a whole bunch of people who may even have expected to eventually get reincarnated now stranded in an eternal state of half life?

Could be interesting I suppose, and I don't see any compelling reason to say that the planar physics could never work this way. 



That's kind of brilliant, actually.

Instead of rather nonsensical entropy, that would be a perfectly reasonable symptom in an afterlife world, while eternal reincarnation is the only option.
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I'm not sure what the point would be honestly... What would you be trying to show with a plane like that?

Hm, it does spark a thought though--what if a plane had, sort of similar to Kamigawa, or some of the other pocket planes we've seen, a semi-separate afterlife realm... and then the prime plane was destroyed? So, you would have a whole bunch of people who may even have expected to eventually get reincarnated now stranded in an eternal state of half life?

Could be interesting I suppose, and I don't see any compelling reason to say that the planar physics could never work this way. 



That's kind of brilliant, actually.

Instead of rather nonsensical entropy, that would be a perfectly reasonable symptom in an afterlife world, while eternal reincarnation is the only option.



We call that Samara and it has nothing to do with Dante.

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I'm not sure what the point would be honestly... What would you be trying to show with a plane like that?

Hm, it does spark a thought though--what if a plane had, sort of similar to Kamigawa, or some of the other pocket planes we've seen, a semi-separate afterlife realm... and then the prime plane was destroyed? So, you would have a whole bunch of people who may even have expected to eventually get reincarnated now stranded in an eternal state of half life?

Could be interesting I suppose, and I don't see any compelling reason to say that the planar physics could never work this way. 



That's kind of brilliant, actually.

Instead of rather nonsensical entropy, that would be a perfectly reasonable symptom in an afterlife world, while eternal reincarnation is the only option.



We call that Samara and it has nothing to do with Dante.



Naraka, at that.

To be fair, both basically depict the same topic: horrible demon/asura filled place with many levels and environments.

Hell (geddit), all five land types are represented in both places.
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I'm not sure what the point would be honestly... What would you be trying to show with a plane like that?

Hm, it does spark a thought though--what if a plane had, sort of similar to Kamigawa, or some of the other pocket planes we've seen, a semi-separate afterlife realm... and then the prime plane was destroyed? So, you would have a whole bunch of people who may even have expected to eventually get reincarnated now stranded in an eternal state of half life?

Could be interesting I suppose, and I don't see any compelling reason to say that the planar physics could never work this way. 



That's kind of brilliant, actually.

Instead of rather nonsensical entropy, that would be a perfectly reasonable symptom in an afterlife world, while eternal reincarnation is the only option.


Stuck in the waiting room. Sounds like the Aztec afterlife.
I'm sure the guy who destroyed all life on his plane would get a warm reception in the afterlife...
That brings to mind what happens when you would "die" in the afterlife. Do you get reincarnated and then die immediately? If only sapient life is extinguished do you get stuckbeing reincarnated as frog or something? Or do you just never die no matter what kind of injuries you sustain?
I think I would go with the Innistrad thing: spiritual beings can die, but the mana/life force they're made off just pools elsewhere and a new thing of the same type is born.
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That actually could be interesting...

I still worry though that this could go the route of "WOULDN'T THIS BE FLIPPING SWEET MY DAWGS?!" and end up contentless, though. I just don't feel like this necessarily has a strong enough central concept to anchor it (although we're getting there).
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A world like Keeper described would be interesting if you threw in that cyclical reincarnation system of Shamsiel's.  Make it so that while people don't exactly remember their past lives, they do know (or are identifiable) by how many times they have been spiritually reincarnated in this ghost plane.  That way you can derive some sort of hierarchy where those with the fewest reincarnations are revered or feared and some political games amount to killing off your rivals just to get them to reincarnate and drop in rank or caste.

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@biotech66 aren't you the boss anyway? isn't "DO IT OR I FIRE YOU!" still an option?

@mikemearls I think Perkins would throat punch me if I ever tried that. And I'd give him a glowing quarterly review for it.

Oh man, I can just see the tagline now: POLITICS IN THE AFTERLIFE IS... DEADLY SERIOUS.

Ahaha no that's terrible.

But that could be interesting mechanically as well as flavorfully, since you could bring back Persist and have a -1/-1 counter theme... I like that idea. And it even has interesting story potential where characters are trying to uncover information about their past unlives. Although even then I'm not sure you couldn't have something like that in a plane that just had reincarnation.
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Oh man, I can just see the tagline now: POLITICS IN THE AFTERLIFE IS... DEADLY SERIOUS.

Ahaha no that's terrible.



Shut up you face, it's wonderful.

But that could be interesting mechanically as well as flavorfully, since you could bring back Persist and have a -1/-1 counter theme... I like that idea. And it even has interesting story potential where characters are trying to uncover information about their past unlives. Although even then I'm not sure you couldn't have something like that in a plane that just had reincarnation.

No, but it would be a neat story if a character is seeking out someone with the lowest death count to better understand what the heck happened that ended everyone up in this ghost plane of mass reincarnation.  Theoretically, if there was even just one great revered sage that had only died once at the end of the world and remembers what caused this whole mess.....and there was some evil organization of two and three deathers out to off him so that they could have the lowest death count and remember the most about the past....

@mikemearls The office is basically empty this week, which opens up all sorts of possibilities for low shenanigans

@mikemearls In essence, all those arguments I lost are being unlost. Won, if you will. We're doing it MY way, baby.

@biotech66 aren't you the boss anyway? isn't "DO IT OR I FIRE YOU!" still an option?

@mikemearls I think Perkins would throat punch me if I ever tried that. And I'd give him a glowing quarterly review for it.

Oh man, I can just see the tagline now: POLITICS IN THE AFTERLIFE IS... DEADLY SERIOUS.

Ahaha no that's terrible.



Shut up you face, it's wonderful.



Didn't the Inferno have a lot of politicians? The eighth and ninth circles are full of them, actually. (Get used to Dante's provincialism, though. Many of the examples are from Italian politics that most people would've forgotten about if not for Dante. Then there's one I can think of at the center who, well, two of his assassins are apparently among the three most evil people in human history.)
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