If by Magician you mean Stage Magician? Then yes.
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I can't tell if everyone's being sarcastic, or if everyone missed uglyvan's point.I agree though, martial characters should definitely be able to cool things to affect other characters like 'magic' characters can.
I can't tell if everyone's being sarcastic, or if everyone missed uglyvan's point.
I believe uglyvan is comparing Sleight of Hand to the martial abilities everyone is complaining about, like the Rogue's Taunt. If Taunt can only be performed with magic, then Sleight of Hand should only be performed with magic. That's ridiculous because both of these things can be done in real life. The ability might not be working perfectly but the point is that it can be done in real life.
Ah. Indeed. the old "you can't do a cool thing without magic!" argument.
Ah. Indeed. the old "you can't do a cool thing without magic!" argument. I think the argument actually generally goes "you can't do an unbelievable thing without magic". Of course, "believable" isn't an objective term.
Seems to me there's no way to know what uglyvan meant unless he were to come back and tell us what he meant (and even then...)
As I understand the argument, it's not about restricting cool or unbelievable things to magic alone. Obviously, things that are cool or unbelievable do happen in real life. It's about restricting anything that goes against the laws of physics to magic.
well, illusionists in the real world do perform tricks like teleportation of little birds or the like; then of course they say there's a "stunt" (translation of french terme "truc" )... but you can't seriously affirm that Magic doesn't exist, even when science tends to negate this possibility;