Alternative Java card to Team Poseidon

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I finally have tried my hand at making some cards in the old style for Shapeways ships.  My first Shapeways model was the Java, so I have started there.  I used a Jamaica card as a starting point.  Since the Team Poseidon cards are the closest we have to an official card, I've used those stats and SA for now (and as Ent pointed out, they are good, the only change I considered was making the "Lead the Attack" SA based on the presence of transports or landing craft since the Java spent most of its short WW2 carrier as an escort).  The actual card appears as a PNG in my photo gallery (under the Polish, Dutch, Greek gallery) and can be retrieved at 100 percent size if you click on the card and print it off at 100 percent.

Here is a second card, the U.S. DD Gwin (433).  This one is based on a USS Bagley card with stats and SAs coming from TP.  In both this and the last card, I have changed the profile and the ship art.  These are a bit more challenging then my usual sister ship cards.  Fortunately, in the case of the Gwin, now that I have this card, it will be easy to generate sister cards for the Benson & Gleaves ships, perhaps with a few differences in the SAs.    I kept the stats for torpedoes as shown on the TP card but note that most U.S. DDs have 2/2/-, not 2/2/1 for a single set of 5 tubes.  I'll have to modify the profile for ships from DD 453 on, these ships had fewer guns and more torpedoes. Always tricky with U.S. torpedoes because any early war scenario would technically favor an SA that weakened torpedoes as on the Bagley card (Defective Torpedoes).

Very nice! If you were looking for some ideas for a more historical Shinano, here's what I was planning to do with mine... you're more than welcome to use them, or you can use TP's or make up your own.

Guns would be the same as TP's card with 8AA, 25 Points, Cap 2, Armor 6, Vital 12, 6 hull points

TD1, Armored Flight Deck, Replenish Aircraft 3 (which would be a slight retooled version of Replenish Aircraft to allow it to be used thrice per game)


Some cards I was looking to convert from tp off the top of my head were Emden, USS South Dakota, USS Ranger and the Late 298, and the Seafire if you needed any ideas
The Shinano.  I'll see what I can come up with in terms of art.  
TYeah, as always the cards look great and any time I can play a named ship rather than a duplicate card as proxy makes me feel warm an fuzzy.

Yes I to am chomping at the bit for a Shinano card and Enabrantains version of the stats are, to me, about the closest we can get to her operational functionality vs her design potential and physical limitations.

GW
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I'm just about done working on my next set's list. About 35 units, most are u/c, though, and from Set 3. Found out the Gromkyi's Gnevnyi Class is quite similar to the preceeding Soobrazitelny Class, the Greeks had 4 Flower class Corvettes, the Italians operated S-Boats, and the Milan's Aigle Class is basically the same design as the preceeding Guepard Class. I'll start working on the cards as soon as I finish the list and figure out all the SA's. Ant if you're making that Shinano LMK and I'll skip it
Here is a Shinano card in the old style, a collaborative effort with Enabrantain supplying the SAs with my art work.   The stats match the Team Poseidon's.  Both the profile and ship art are original. Finding images of the Shinano was a bit tricky. There are not many photos to work with.  The image I ended up working with is derived from a photo of a model of the Shinano.  The only thing I was a bit hesitant on with the SAs was the Replenish Aircraft 3 vs. 1 for the TP card (assuming I interpreted Ent's suggestion correctly).  Lets see if there are any responses from the community on that.  Sounds there is already one member that approves. The PNG file is parked in the JPN aircraft carriers gallery on my profile.  South Dakota could be next on the list. That one already has a profile at least.

Ent, I see that you are posting cards over on forumini.  I guess it is about time I started introducing my cards on that forum.  Perhaps these last few are good ones to start with.  Incidently, for lack of better, I have put an "As/En" in the lower right for cards where you supplied the SAs or stats. The USS Johnston would be 1.



it's beautiful! I had her figured for cap 2 but I can always fudge out the third aircraft symbol for my own card.

Yup, I've been posting my newest cards on Forumini and Seasablaze. Although I wish I could just post them here TBH. Linking them from here I think requires that the person looking at it have a WotC account. So I ended up having to put the cards on my old Xanga account and link from there. Major pain in the backside. My hope was that people would track them back to the source and it would bring some attention back to other sites...
Once I get a moment to work with the card, it will take be about 2 minutes to modify the cap and repost the card so you wont have to fudge.  I think I just missed the cap (perhaps TP's card had Cap 3, I was intending to follow your suggestion).  Was replemishment still 3?  I guess when I saw the replemishment 3 I just assumed the cap was 3.  I haven't posted the card anywhere else yet so still time to straighten out.

I'm still trying to get an account with Photobucket.  That would probably be the easiest way to post cards in mass so that folks can follow the link.  Moving them will be a pain enough but at the moment, some quark in Photobucket will not allow me to sign up.  I can't seem to pass their "I am not a Robot" test.   
Once I get a moment to work with the card, it will take be about 2 minutes to modify the cap and repost the card so you wont have to fudge.  I think I just missed the cap (perhaps TP's card had Cap 3, I was intending to follow your suggestion).  Was replemishment still 3?  I guess when I saw the replemishment 3 I just assumed the cap was 3.  I haven't posted the card anywhere else yet so still time to straighten out.

I'm still trying to get an account with Photobucket.  That would probably be the easiest way to post cards in mass so that folks can follow the link.  Moving them will be a pain enough but at the moment, some quark in Photobucket will not allow me to sign up.  I can't seem to pass their "I am not a Robot" test.   



Well, if you want to know my reasoning, Shinano was supposed to operate 50 aircraft and then carry about 70  replenishment aircraft. I just realized why you're concerned with her basing capacity being 3. If you use replenish aircraft thrice in the same turn and she only has 2 carrier slots... Would is be possible to add a line to the end of the SA that says you can only replenish a squadron once per turn?

I'm pretty sure Forumini's cap 3 stems from the belief that if you use replenish aircraft then that carrier must have an empty slot since it happens at the start of the Air Return phase. I really don't read it that way, though. In my eyes one of the squadrons based on Shinano would simple get bumped back to the land-airbase to make room, since it is the air return phase. That squadrom can't land on the carrier because the flight crews are preparing the replacement aircraft for flight, so it would be forced to land elsewhere. Then the replacement squadron can fly off next airphase and land on another carrier. Hopefully I'm making sense here.
Got it.  I should be able to fit in the extra half sentence.  I think that would make it more clear. 

I've been in a cave for a while apparently.  Last night I finally was involved with a game with people who had the Team Posiedon cards.  I had not seen the TP cards in hand and hey look much nicer then the internet posting suggested, and blend in with the rest of the cards more so then I expected.  I still like the original format  more (perhaps because I am used to it or as an artist, there is a bias for art over photographs) but I would certainly pick up a set of the TP cards if I could find one.  I was one of those folks who heard the cards were coming, stepped away from my forumini monitorings for a bit, and the cards were all sold out by the time I came back.  I wasn't especially worried about it as I do enjoy making cards but just using theirs certainly would sve a good deal of time, except in those cases where it seems there could be alternate SAs (such as the Shinano circumstance).

 
Thanks for making it! I'll soon start working on my next set, I have it basically done now as far as research and stats go.  I'm tempted to seek your help with my own project but I'm afraid it'll stop you from doing your own, and that's not fair to any of us.

Looking at doing a follow-up set of rare sisters I skipped from Set 3. Schlesien and Kinugasa made it in, but i missed almost all others. But to give a look at a few things I'm looking at for that set... I think USS Guam is a good canidate for scout cruiser since she has those two large floatplanes. And I have a speculatively completed 1943 cruiser Seydlitz in mind with Radar Fire Control and Improved Radar for 15 points in mindl. And yeah, Tallinn will make an appearence as well, gotta give the Russians their historically active, yet incomplete, Hipper Class cruiser with two of it's main gun turrets missing.
I to am in the aesthetics camp. Not to mention when you print your original format card on good matte stock photo paper they provide continuity in my WAS binder.

What I really like is to add the historical notes to the opposite side of the cards. That would go a long way to giving them that "complete" feel. It would also serve well as a location for proxy data (available sister ships by set and number). I would happily volunteer for that but Im really crunching time these days with work.
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OK, I've replaced the Shinano with a revised version.  Also straightened out a little oops on the art work.  While meeting with a group of war at sea enthusiast on Monday night, I realized that by flipping the original source image for my art work, the Shinano's stack came out on the wrong side of the ship.  I've flipped it back (doesn't fit on the card as nicely but at least it is accurate).   I do a lot more work with birds and plants and it doesn't matter how you flip your art work with those but they are generally symetrical.

 
I to am in the aesthetics camp. Not to mention when you print your original format card on good matte stock photo paper they provide continuity in my WAS binder. What I really like is to add the historical notes to the opposite side of the cards. That would go a long way to giving them that "complete" feel. It would also serve well as a location for proxy data (available sister ships by set and number). I would happily volunteer for that but Im really crunching time these days with work.



I generally have not worried about the reverse side of the cards as I usually keep mine in a sleeve and hardly see the back side.  However, for other games I produce, I do have two-sded cards so it can be done.  I guess it would be a bit tricky on the internet because whomever printed off the front and back would responsible to make sure the two sides are lined up.  And then gathering up the data, as you said, can require a bit of time.  However, it is something we can keep in mind. If you have specific request, I could try my hand at it. 
Ent, I forgot one thing.  I re-read your message explaining your justification on replenishment and re-read your SA.  I don't think it is necessary to add the language that only a single squadron can be replenished per turn.  I think the SA does already read that way.
I to am in the aesthetics camp. Not to mention when you print your original format card on good matte stock photo paper they provide continuity in my WAS binder. What I really like is to add the historical notes to the opposite side of the cards. That would go a long way to giving them that "complete" feel. It would also serve well as a location for proxy data (available sister ships by set and number). I would happily volunteer for that but Im really crunching time these days with work.



I'd love to do backings for the cards, or should I say I'd love to have them, lol. I've thought about doing them but doing the fronts is time consuming enough. If you'd like to mock some up for cards we've done that'd be awsome. And it'd be an 'at your own pace' project too. Start with your favorites and go from there
Ent, I forgot one thing.  I re-read your message explaining your justification on replenishment and re-read your SA.  I don't think it is necessary to add the language that only a single squadron can be replenished per turn.  I think the SA does already read that way.



Yeah, it should be fine.
Yeah Id love to do that. I cant remeber if I have the template for both sides of WAS cards though. I used to do it alot for AAM in the early days while we waited for missing key historical scenario units.

The at your own pace would be best because if I commit myself something else will suffer. I get a bit dogged when I commit.

I am really pleased with Shinano's representation here. Though a bit different than what Invisioned you have deffinately captured a powerful carrier with large capacity but limited operational ability. It fully captures the Japanese trend of ships that can be spectacular in the right circumstances and favorable dice or be a waste of points or down right dangerous to deploy. I like that the fixed potential of 3 replenished units is random thus mirroring the window of oprotunity to deploy another squadron in support of ops. There are several other means to do this but none as simple as what you have presented here.

WTG
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