[GTC-ICD] Firemane Avenger

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Firemane Avenger
Creature - Angel
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Battalion - Whenever ~ and at least two other creatures attack, ~ deals 3 damage to target creature or player and you gain 3 life.
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It's sick that it triggers on the attack, meaning it will likely take out a blocker, making it more likely that you will have enough guys to trigger it next turn, too.
Repeatable Lightning Helix as long as you can swing with enough creatures. I like.
Also the synergy with Odric, Master Tactician.
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Lightning Helix is awesome. Repeatable Lightning Helix on a stick, even a slightly conditional one, is also awesome.
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3/3 flyiner for 4 is fine. Somewhat contional Lighting helix on a stick is good. Both in one pacakage is good.
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Awesome card. This has strong potential for contructed viability. Repeatable lightning helix is...just great. I will wait and see what kind of support it has though before making a final judgement. Also, Batallion is a neat mechanic and combos well with the spoiled guildleader.
Btw, this ability was seen in GDS2. I think it was called assault.
so which part is the mechanic? something triggering on attack or the lightning helix?

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Restoration Angel laughs at everything all day to be honest.

I like how this ability showed up on Odric in the core set. If this had haste and worse stats, it could be constructed viable, but as of now she's probably unplayable because if they play a sweeper (they will) you lose. And no deck would run this over semi-hasty curve toppers like Sublime Archangel. I think there's strong potential with Batallion though, if they print some good cheap creatures with Batallion a very strong boros deck will emerge.

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192884403 wrote:
surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
so which part is the mechanic? something triggering on attack or the lightning helix?



I think it's probably the attacking with at least 2 other creatures.

So you might think of it as "Whenever ~ and at least 2 other creatures attack, then [bonus]"
so which part is the mechanic? something triggering on attack or the lightning helix?



I think it's probably the attacking with at least 2 other creatures.

So you might think of it as "Whenever ~ and at least 2 other creatures attack, then [bonus]"


Actually are we sure it's 2 other creatures?

I can see some requiring only another, and maybe a huge effect requiring like, five.

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192884403 wrote:
surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
so which part is the mechanic? something triggering on attack or the lightning helix?



I think it's probably the attacking with at least 2 other creatures.

So you might think of it as "Whenever ~ and at least 2 other creatures attack, then [bonus]"


Actually are we sure it's 2 other creatures?

I can see some requiring only another, and maybe a huge effect requiring like, five.

You may be right -- it could be 'Whenever ~ and at least X other creatures attack, [bonus]'
Actually are we sure it's 2 other creatures?

I can see some requiring only another, and maybe a huge effect requiring like, five.

I am sure it will always be two other creatures. Threshold is always seven cards, metalcraft is always three artifacts, and fateful hour is always 5 life. Battalion should always play the same. They do not want players to expect one thing and a card to do something else.
So Battalion is basically metalcraft for attacking creatures. I like it. It compliments battle cry neatly and will hopefully contribute to R/W aggro. A R/W/U deck using Battalion, Overload, and Detain could be quite insteresting.

Not sure how I feel about this. Seems like an interesting and potentially powerful mechanic in theory, but I have a feeling its going to fall flat on its face in practice.

If nothing else, it gets bonus points for synergy with the new Boros guild leader.
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Ahh, too slow on the draw tonight!

I do like this ability a lot! I'm imagining a battalion deck where 3 triggers go off of varying severity. Could be funny.

Unfortunately, due to the nature of the ability, it really wants a mob-type deck that likes to swing in. Maybe some kind of token deck can slip in... just has narrow applications.
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do you hear that? its the sound of nayans rejoicing. between this and gruu, naya decks will be even insaner... or am i just imagining things?

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Between Boros and Gruul only? What about poor ole Selesnya?


As for the card.........



Fliers are always good for one thing as long as they're costed correctly, which this is.

I'm sure the life-gain part is merely gravy, as aggro decks typically use life-gain as a way to buy time or have life as a resource (which tragically isn't strong right now, but we did just leave the block with Phyrexian Mana) but alot of things even on turn 4 will end up dying to 3 damage (sadly, Restoration Angel is still the most broken 4-drop in standard now).

At least without your creatures (or enough of them) dying, this could battle through Thragtusk + partner.

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What is RW's obsession with Lightning Helix?  Every block with multicolor themes has at least one thing with "Deal 3 damage and gain 3 life."
What is RW's obsession with Lightning Helix?  Every block with multicolor themes has at least one thing with "Deal 3 damage and gain 3 life."


Red/White has always been the least popular color combination while Lightning Helix is incredibly popular and quite good, so they probably want to piggyback on that.

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192884403 wrote:
surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
Lingering Souls into this seems like it would be sweet.  I doubt this actually sees constructed play, but it has some potential.  Seems pretty nice with something like Lightning Mauler as well.
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An ability word instead of a keyword.
That's... interesting.
I expect Midnight Haunting might actually become quite useful, the ability to play it at the end of turn and then trigger a 'lone' creature's battalion ability seems like a good response to a sweeper.
I would prefer haste to flying on this card. It seems like it will be good at times but I think you're in for some issues if your deck is reliant upon having at least 2 other attacking creatures.
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192884403 wrote:
surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
Holy **** - if all the Battalion triggers are this ability, that would be INSANNNNNE.
I like this card.  Regardless of its playability its very flavourful to Boros.  So far I'm liking all the reveals.

Wish they'd show an Orzhov card though
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I like this mechanic more than Radiance so +1 from me, even if I won't play this card. (not a fan of the color combination)

Can't wait for some one-/twodrops with this keyword. =P
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I bet "Firemane Nevena" will be another legendary creature we'll never see a card for though.
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Between Thatcher Revolt and Lingering Souls hitting the battalion requirements doesn't sound difficult, at least on a casual level. It is still probably too many hoops to jump through for a competitive standard deck.
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Pretty cool.

Its a good card on its own and the mechanic is going to be lots of fun(atleast for my human/angel R/W deck).
Fits the curve nicely for:

T1 - Doomed Traveler
T2 - Gather the Townsfolk or Lightning Mauler
T3 - Fervor or Lingering Souls
T4 - Firemane Avenger

Unless they have a ton of removal, your engine is online!

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192884403 wrote:
surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
T1 - Champion of the Parish
T2 - Lightning Mauler
T3 - Silverblade Paladin
T4 - Firemane Avenger


Fixed for you.



You definitely want Mauler to Soulbond to this on the 4th turn.

About the card: at first I REALLY liked it. Then I remembered Hellrider, which, although it doesn't have evasion and targets only players, is still probably better than this. Hmm, I wonder if having the ability to divide the damage a la Inferno Titan would help its playabilty. Art's nice though.

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The mechanic feels like boros to me, so it gets a flavour bonus. Definitely moreso than radiance. However, I don't like that it forces you to commit a lot of creatures to the board to get the bonus or that it requires 3 creatures to attack (leading to less than ideal blocks sometimes, and they have to survive long enough to attack) and I especially don't like creatures that have this mechanic that don't have haste. There will need to be some very good creatures with this mechanic at less than 3 CMC or with haste to get me to use this mechanic in constructed.
rare... :/

This feels awefully uncommon. 

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She'll see constructed play. She won't win best in show, but she'll still get in there. Expect her less in Boros decks (who'd rather have a quicker punch) and more in a 3+ color value deck (most likely featuring Lingering Souls, as Mono pointed out).

Her plus Thundermaw Hellkite and one other creature kills any Restoration angels already on the field.... 

What we'll likely see are mono-red aggro decks splashing a bit of white, if there are any more awesome Battalion effects like this.  
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