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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the FSS board already has a thread discussing whether or not all the green in the art is hinting at her turning

>scowls




The illustration is quite nice though. Good to see her in a bit of a different pose and setting rather than just surrounded by fire. 
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>Shotgun.ash


And nothing of value was lost. 


The illustration is quite nice though. Good to see her in a bit of a different pose and setting rather than just surrounded by fire. 


Well then, you're not going to like any of her signature spells in the set. ;D
Personally, I thing the thread was worth it, if for no other reason than to see the word 'jackanapes' in print.  Seriously, beautiful, man.

Also, screw Nicol Bolas.  Nothing scares me more than the fear that they may genuinely find a way to shoehorn him into this plot.  Please, Avacyn, no! 

Also, what's with Chandra's right arm?  the armor looks thinner than her left arm, almost like it's robotic.  (Note: I am not implying Chandra has a robot arm, awesome though that may be.  Please don't smite me, Barinellos!)
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the FSS board already has a thread discussing whether or not all the green in the art is hinting at her turning

>scowls



We need and first before we go on about a third walker.
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We need and first before we go on about a third walker.



They've said that they aren't trying to fill any sort of quota because every two color combo will naturally happen at some point.

Also Kiora exists, and both Ajani Goldmane and Elspeth know some amount of green, so that could very well be in the works at some point.
In unrelated news, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality updated, including an absolutely heartwrenching rewritten ending to Chapter 85.

And also this gem:


"It's so sad," said Sherice Ngaserin, who actually had tears in her eyes. "They were just - they were just so obviously meant to be together!"


"You mean Potter and Malfoy?" said a second-year named Colleen Johnson. "I know - their families hated each other so much, there's no way they couldn't fall in love -"


"No, I mean all three of them," said Sherice.


HARRY o8< DRACO X HERMIONE O_O IT IS SO OBVIOUS IN RETROSPECT

ALL MY SHIPPING WISHES ARE COMING TRUE!
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All of my wat
Have you read HPMOR? If not, do so. If you read and understand Homestuck, you and HPMOR are probably a good fit.

Interestingly, I've started slowly and periodically picking through Less Wrong, and it really does alter the experience of reading HPMOR significantly, just because when Harry talks I can contextualize his statements with greater knowledge of the backing science and the thought process. I haven't tried to understand Baysian probability just yet but it's becoming increasingly clear that I need to... I'm seeing it slowly infiltrating traditional Liberal Arts fields, so I want to be ahead of the curve at least minutely.

Also, I'm noticing that HPMOR and Homestuck are making me smarter in parallel ways--they don't really overlap necessarily, but they're both forcing me to analyze ideas of steadily greater complexity and they're rewriting my thoughts systematically. It's just something interesting that I'm noticing.

The main thing I'm realizing? I am not as smart as Andrew Hussie or Elizer Yudowski. I'm not sure if that's because I haven't trained as hard as they have (this is a distinct possibility) or because I am simply not as innately intelligent as they are (I am currently not working from this assumption because I don't want it to be a self fulfilling prophecy, but I'm not going to rule it out either, knowing what I now know about intelligence) but the fact is there. And it's different experientially from saying "Oh man, I don't know how he does that!" because I DO know how they do it, I can watch them toss all the balls into the air and then, with effort, plot out the trajectories, but I also know that I can't do it myself.

I'm not sure if I'm conveying that idea well, though.
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In unrelated news, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality updated, including an absolutely heartwrenching rewritten ending to Chapter 85.

And also this gem:


"It's so sad," said Sherice Ngaserin, who actually had tears in her eyes. "They were just - they were just so obviously meant to be together!"


"You mean Potter and Malfoy?" said a second-year named Colleen Johnson. "I know - their families hated each other so much, there's no way they couldn't fall in love -"


"No, I mean all three of them," said Sherice.


HARRY o8< DRACO X HERMIONE O_O IT IS SO OBVIOUS IN RETROSPECT

ALL MY SHIPPING WISHES ARE COMING TRUE!




"The World's Wealthiest Wizards and How They Got That Way," Harry read off the book's title from the top. "Number sixty-five, Sir Gareth, owner of a transportation company that won the 19th-century shipping wars... monopoly on oh-tee-threes... I see.



Really? Really? I mean, there is leaning on the Fourth Wall, and then there is using it as a central weight bearing column!
THIS IS WHAT I THINK OF YOUR FOURTH WALL

[smashes through it with a Prospitian cruiser]
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Hahahaha, well, it was either that or, "Do we really want to have a competition about who is the more cliche hero?"
Keeper. I got a Blag. I don't really know what to do with it. But, I thought of your Blag, so I looked at it, because I've been meaning to go back and read your Homestuck thing anyway - which I didn't do. But, I did read your Music Video analysis.

Though it is cute and clever, it seems incomplete without mention of this. Massive Attack's first album is actually totally worth listening to. And I'm pretty sure the two have to be connected.

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Oh man, which one? I've got like upwards of ten articles on different videos now...

Man, I should dig that record out again. That's a good album. I didn't know Unfinished Sympathy had a video, though. That's nice work, thanks for the tip. Massive Attack's videos are consistently absolutely mindbendingly brilliant.
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I was on Monday Night Magic tonight!
I met a Slavic pro player, and saw a super sweet preview card I can't show you yet, and talked about how I spend too much time here!
Yaaaaaaaaay.  
I was on Monday Night Magic tonight!
I met a Slavic pro player, and saw a super sweet preview card I can't show you yet, and talked about how I spend too much time here!
Yaaaaaaaaay.  


1. What is Monday Night Magic?
2. Are we allow to pry tantalizing hints from you (either about actual card things or something closer to number of vowels in the name)? 
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!

1. What is Monday Night Magic?

one of the biggest and longest lasting magic podcasts. www.mtgcast.com/topics/mtgcast-podcast-s... 

2. Are we allow to pry tantalizing hints from you (either about actual card things or something closer to number of vowels in the name)? 


There are six vowels in its name.
Hrm... That gives it a 29% chance of being mono-coloured and a 42% chance of being Simic themed.

How many consecutive consonants? 
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
Hrm... That gives it a 29% chance of being mono-coloured and a 42% chance of being Simic themed.

How many consecutive consonants? 



Do you mean like how many groups of consonants or individually?
Hrm... That gives it a 29% chance of being mono-coloured and a 42% chance of being Simic themed.

How many consecutive consonants? 



Do you mean like how many groups of consonants or individually?


What is the largest number of consecutive consonants in the name?

For example Explosive Vegetation would be 3.
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mymoment
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
3
3


YOU HAVE TOLD ME PRACTICALLY EVERYTHING!

By the way, did you know Strengths is the longest one syllable word in the English language?
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mymoment
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
Here's my last hint.
It's this card
Show

 

Here's the show I was on, if you're interested.www.mtgcast.com/mtgcast-podcast-shows/ac...
 
Here's my last hint.
It's this card
Show

 

Here's the show I was on, if you're interested.www.mtgcast.com/mtgcast-podcast-shows/ac...
 


Ah, but I had already devined that, give or take most of the card.
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
Curses, I should have known!
Here's my last hint.
It's this card
Show
 
 

Here's the show I was on, if you're interested.www.mtgcast.com/mtgcast-podcast-shows/ac...
 



I can dig it.
Actually I seriously like both the hybrid cards for Gruul. In every way.

So, what did you have to say about hanging around here?

Also, have a thing:
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1. I think you had poor timing with co-guest stars to gain talking space.
2. I'm glad you got the chance to lord your knowledge of unspoiled cards over people.
3. Darksteel was 9 years ago? Now I feel old...
4. Turtle, Turtle, Turtle
5. I didn't see Draw your Library card. It makes me angry.
6. Thanks for referring to me a design junkie weirdo.
7. The Wizards employess that are leaking promos are actually Alligator Frogs, come on!
8. Modern annoys me in that it cuts off just after I started getting familiar with practically every card after they came out, so I have the small set of cards I assume are in Modern, but are not :/
9. Wanna nomination for best guest host (of Monday Night Magic or not)?
10. Don't hate school, even to fill dead air.
11. You have now revealed to the internet what your nervous laugh sounds like. Your soul is laid bare. 
12. Pistorius (awesome name) didn't win the Olympics... he qualified and then got eliminated in the semi-finals by a pretty fair margin. 
 
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mymoment
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!

@Keeper: 
1) Not being as smart as Eliezer Yudkowsky (and Hussie, probably, I wouldn't know) is certainly no sin. First of all, he's outrageously smart and secondly, he already had a lifetime of opportunities to make himself better, smarter and more rationalist. Reading his sequences, I've seen he had an extremely privileged starting position. He was a child prodigy, which means he had a major headstart just from birth. He also seemed to have access to a great number of science and science-fiction books, which also helps, along with people who were able to give him the education he needs. People like you and me can't really compete with that. We don't have such a privileged background, so we're going to play catch-up until the extremely smart people level out (which might not even happen). That being said, you have access to thought-patterns he doesn't, because he seems to have almost no background in Art. Check out the "We don't really want your participation"-article on Less Wrong. I'm certain you've got interesting things to say about that.


2) Bayes' Theorem isn't really that hard. For a very simple understanding, check out this series of youtube videos. For a more in-depth look, you can see this. I don't have a tutorial for using it in practical applications though, which means I can't do what Harry does in HPMOR when he just pulls probabilities out of a hat.


@Thoctar: I'm definitely going to check it out once my internet returns (for the curious: I'm using the worst public network ever, at the moment). I'm curious how you sound like. 


Also, check out The Methods of Rationality. It's fun, it's clever and it's going to make you a better person.


Also, have a thing:
jamietheignorantamerican.tumblr.com/post...


That's adorable. And sums up my feelings for you guys (and a couple of others) up quite nicely. 

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I thought yudkowsky.net/rational/bayes was a fairly accessable way to Bayes' theorem, though translating it to application yourself is a bit haphazard indeed.

In any case I think someone should note that science as hard science or the kind of thing Yudkowsky uses as his fundamental basis of the universe can't actually truthfully be like that, because this knowledge is all based upon abstract idealisation and imagination. The fundamental founding understandings of physics, like knowing what a force is or how a mass of homogeneous molecules reacts, are all based upon the human imagination of how such things would operate under specific circumstances that don't exist, that being stuff like frictionless surfaces or perfect gases or any other such idealised outliers. Those idealised constants/circumstances don't exist in reality and never have, and never will, but we use them nonetheless because it still ends up working fine enough in the chaos of reality. That doesn't mean that they're as finite and exact and all-precise as Yudkowsky presents them to be, though. It's in the end still paradigm-dependenant and part of a theoretical discourse.
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So, what did you have to say about hanging around here?

That I enjoy it. I would have gushed more, but the cast was going on 2+ hours.
Also, have a thing: jamietheignorantamerican.tumblr.com/post...



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1. I think you had poor timing with co-guest stars to gain talking space.
2. I'm glad you got the chance to lord your knowledge of unspoiled cards over people.
3. Darksteel was 9 years ago? Now I feel old...
4. Turtle, Turtle, Turtle
5. I didn't see Draw your Library card. It makes me angry.
6. Thanks for referring to me a design junkie weirdo.
7. The Wizards employess that are leaking promos are actually Alligator Frogs, come on!
8. Modern annoys me in that it cuts off just after I started getting familiar with practically every card after they came out, so I have the small set of cards I assume are in Modern, but are not :/
9. Wanna nomination for best guest host (of Monday Night Magic or not)?
10. Don't hate school, even to fill dead air.
11. You have now revealed to the internet what your nervous laugh sounds like. Your soul is laid bare.
12. Pistorius (awesome name) didn't win the Olympics... he qualified and then got eliminated in the semi-finals by a pretty fair margin.

1. Its cool. I was totally freaking out at the beginning before I just kind of lapses into, "oh, its like skyping with any of my friends"
2. Feels good man
3. As you should grandpa.
4. Indeed.
5. I like the card conceptually, but mechanically it makes me want to poop blood. It crosses a line that shouldn't have been crossed. 
6. You're welcome, I guess?
7. You know too much *ribbit*
8. I would have preferred the cutoff to have been Masques, because, you know, reserved list. I can understand why they would use the new card frame though.
9. :I I was on one episode.
10. My lifelong dream (as of 5 years ago) to work at Wizards keeps me going
11. Oh GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
12. *curious head tilt*
@Barinellos:

That's great.

@Thoctar:

Contratulations on being on TVish! :D You're internet famous!

Nice card, too.

@Yxoque:

That's a very good point. Although I probably am starting at a lower baseline intelligence than him, I also started with less opportunities to make use of that intelligence, less access to stuff that pointed me in the direction of pure rationality. I had science fiction, of course, but a lot of it was sci fi from the 50s so the science wasn't necessarily up to date. >_>

And really, I've noticed that if I do apply what he says and really THINK about a problem for an extended period of time, I can often figure things out. It'll just take me a lot longer. 

@Terti:

I'm sure Elizer would say, and I would say, too, that being based on abstracts does not make rationality simply another heuristic, just as good or bad as any other. I don't think you understand what "precise" means in this context, honestly. It sounds the same as people describing Evolution as "just" a theory. You're using language to mask the actual strong predictions we're able to achieve.

And I mean... if this is the paradigm that gets us results, who cares about any other?
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I was talking about the science parts of the fanfic, like when Harry's attempting partial transfiguration, not about rationality an sich. Maybe Jivan can point towards the massive mountain of literature on the issue that's been produced by philosophers in the past decades; I know of it mainly because of a recent interest in proximate and ultimate causes. In the end, though, rationality seems to me as something that's guided by external circumstances, and an amerindian shaman doing a raindance because there's not enough precipiation (don't kill me bay_f) is doing the perfectly rational thing there. I can see the value about ensuring that you're actually right in what you think that the external circumstances are.

There are lots of paradigms that get us results, though. People did just fine navigating by the stairs when they believed the earth was flat and the universe revolved around it. That's not an analogy (end disclaimer), since you can use string theory vs. quantum physics as a modern example of paradigms that get results and obviously not working together in current physics just fine. Caring about that is to care about whether your knowledge is actually valid, no?
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12. Pistorius (awesome name) didn't win the Olympics... he qualified and then got eliminated in the semi-finals by a pretty fair margin.

 
12. *curious head tilt*

Pistorius was the double amputee Olympian, it was a throw away line, but it is a mistake that always bugs me. 
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
I was talking about the science parts of the fanfic, like when Harry's attempting partial transfiguration, not about rationality an sich. Maybe Jivan can point towards the massive mountain of literature on the issue that's been produced by philosophers in the past decades; I know of it mainly because of a recent interest in proximate and ultimate causes. In the end, though, rationality seems to me as something that's guided by external circumstances, and an amerindian shaman doing a raindance because there's not enough precipiation (don't kill me bay_f) is doing the perfectly rational thing there. I can see the value about ensuring that you're actually right in what you think that the external circumstances are.

There are lots of paradigms that get us results, though. People did just fine navigating by the stairs when they believed the earth was flat and the universe revolved around it. That's not an analogy (end disclaimer), since you can use string theory vs. quantum physics as a modern example of paradigms that get results and obviously not working together in current physics just fine. Caring about that is to care about whether your knowledge is actually valid, no?



I haven't been paying much attention but is this meant as some sort of jab or an actual absurd request?

"The fuel on which science runs is ignorance. Science is like a hungry furnace that must be fed logs from the forests of ignorance that surround us. In the process, the clearing we call knowledge expands, but the more it expands, the longer its perimeter and the more ignorance comes into view." -Matt Ridley, Genome

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You did philosophy stuffs, right? That's what I thought at least . Otherwise nevermind that string of words.



I dabble in the art of philosophical bullshit. I probably should have read the context of the situation more deeply I suppose.

"The fuel on which science runs is ignorance. Science is like a hungry furnace that must be fed logs from the forests of ignorance that surround us. In the process, the clearing we call knowledge expands, but the more it expands, the longer its perimeter and the more ignorance comes into view." -Matt Ridley, Genome

[1]I was talking about the science parts of the fanfic, like when Harry's attempting partial transfiguration, not about rationality an sich. Maybe Jivan can point towards the massive mountain of literature on the issue that's been produced by philosophers in the past decades; I know of it mainly because of a recent interest in proximate and ultimate causes. [2]In the end, though, rationality seems to me as something that's guided by external circumstances, and an Amerindian shaman doing a rain-dance because there's not enough precipitation (don't kill me bay_f) is doing the perfectly rational thing there. I can see the value about ensuring that you're actually right in what you think that the external circumstances are.  

[3]There are lots of paradigms that get us results, though. People did just fine navigating by the stairs when they believed the earth was flat and the universe revolved around it.



[1] There's not much science-y about that part, in my opinion. Partial (free) transfiguration was deemed impossible, because wizards always conceptualized the whole. A metal ball was seen as a unit, a complete and whole thing, instead of a collections of atoms or protons, neutrons and electrons (there is something smaller, but it slips my memory). It's the same reason a wizard would have trouble transfiguring a single brick in a wall. They see the wall as one thing.


[2] Yudkowsky actually mentions rain-dances in one of his articles. I can't remember which one it was (and a quick glance at the titles of the articles gets me nowhere), but he says (I'm paraphrasing here) that doing a rain-dance is simply not rational, because it doesn't conform with your observations of reality. You might argue that it's rational because they need water, and they believe that doing specific motions will coax the gods into giving them water, but that belief is wrong and has no basis in observations. Every time a rain-dance fails to give you water, you should shift your belief towards the non-effectiveness of rain-dances. Thinking something is true doesn't make it true and justifying your behavior (dancing to cause rain) with theories that have no basis in reality (the gods favor certain dances) is not rational, however you look at it.


[3] Yes, and we get better results by knowing the earth is round and using GPS. (Also, the belief that the earth was flat had been discredited around 200 B.C.) People also didn't really "do fine". They did fine in terms of coastal voyages or in the Mediterranean, where risks of getting truly lost were low, so they only did fine if you care nothing for progress. Also, a belief that is both true and gets results is ultimately superior to a belief that is false and gets results. 

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You did philosophy stuffs, right? That's what I thought at least . Otherwise nevermind that string of words.



I dabble in the art of philosophical bullshit. I probably should have read the context of the situation more deeply I suppose.



That's okay, I'm not engaging them either.
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To [1], I suppose you could say that this example, the collection of atoms and protons, quarks and antiquarks, and those timeless wavelengths of his, forms our scientific equivalent of the biases that the wizards are accused of having against reality. The conceptualisation is flawed even if it approximates something useful because it's something that's projected upon the world by our minds, instead of vice versa, which is what Yudkowski essentially holds, namely that the world is only a construct made by our minds responding to the input from our senses.

To [2], mind if I call that armchair-rationality? Those things can work very well, and so will other things like hallucinogenic voyages or native medicine that are all too often simply rationalised away by educated minds. There are some very correct things to beliefs like that which aren't given a voice among audiences like, well, us, but that doesn't mean that they're out of touch with reality. It was a bit of an off-topic example, but it certainly confirms to their observations of reality because otherwise they wouldn't be doing it.

To [3], don't forget distant voyages such as those made in the circum-Caribbean or in the far Pacific in pre-contact times . No knowledge of a spherical earth there, and if you got lost you were screwed, yet people managed to colonise those areas long before we got there, and were able of making those travels regularly to boot. And still, you cannot actually know for sure now that the belief you're holding is true, because simply getting the result you want is no longer capable of verifying your belief anymore.
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[2] Yudkowsky actually mentions rain-dances in one of his articles. I can't remember which one it was (and a quick glance at the titles of the articles gets me nowhere), but he says (I'm paraphrasing here) that doing a rain-dance is simply not rational, because it doesn't conform with your observations of reality. You might argue that it's rational because they need water, and they believe that doing specific motions will coax the gods into giving them water, but that belief is wrong and has no basis in observations. Every time a rain-dance fails to give you water, you should shift your belief towards the non-effectiveness of rain-dances. Thinking something is true doesn't make it true and justifying your behavior (dancing to cause rain) with theories that have no basis in reality (the gods favor certain dances) is not rational, however you look at it.



Intresting, if someone could find this I would like to read it (I have very, very little familiarity with HPatMoR) , because I have the seed for an argument, but arguing against summaries is almost always a bad idea.

Failing that, we could just ignore what he has to say and argue amongst ourselves as per usual.

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