Surprised or not surprised?

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Two questions about surpriseround.


A) Our adventure group (ranger, rogue, cleric and warden) are sneaking towards some enemies (lurkers and artillery) and going for a surprise attack. The enemies havent noticed us, our rogue and ranger have vision on the artillery, but the cleric and warden are a bit behind so they havent seen the enemies yet. The lurkers are hidden for us all, artillery are hidden for the cleric and the warden. The rogue and ranger are attacking. So the question is, who is surprised and who are going to act in the surprise round?


B) Same as above, but lets say the warden failed his stealth check vs. the artillery´s passive perception, but succeds vs. lurkers. Rest of our group succeds stealth against both lurkers and artillery?


Thanks in advance.


Best regards SirGameAlot. 

Who is surprised is largely determined by the DM.  Note, however, that this determination is made for individuals, not groups.  You can have all, part, or none of each side surprised in any given encounter. 

Anyone who is not surprised gets to act in the surprise round.  Anyone who is surprised does not.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
  Note, however, that this determination is made for individuals, not groups.  You can have all, part, or none of each side surprised in any given encounter. 
Anyone who is not surprised gets to act in the surprise round.  Anyone who is surprised does not.


Those things i am aware of.
The DM lets the rogue and ranger get surprise on the artillery. The issue are the cleric and warden are they surprised or can they act in the surprise round? (they stand a bit behind, weapons in hand, keeping eye on ranger and rogue, havent spotted the enemy though.) 

Best regards.  
DM judgment call.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
A) Our adventure group (ranger, rogue, cleric and warden) are sneaking towards some enemies (lurkers and artillery) and going for a surprise attack. The enemies havent noticed us, our rogue and ranger have vision on the artillery, but the cleric and warden are a bit behind so they havent seen the enemies yet. The lurkers are hidden for us all, artillery are hidden for the cleric and the warden. The rogue and ranger are attacking. So the question is, who is surprised and who are going to act in the surprise round?

- The party should be allowed a surprise round
- The rogue and ranger could likely only attack the artillery (since they are unaware of the lurkers).
- Assuming some party coordination, the cleric and warden could probably also be able to act on the surprise round.
- The cleric and warden should probably just use the surprise round to move onto the battlefield (especially since all their potential targets are hidden to them).
- The cleric and warden would not be able to act on the suprise round (since they were unware of the enemies) if the Ranger and rogue were not able coordinate with them.

B) Same as above, but lets say the warden failed his stealth check vs. the artillery´s passive perception, but succeds vs. lurkers. Rest of our group succeds stealth against both lurkers and artillery?

As above, but the enemy artillery also gets to act on the surprise round.
DM judgment call.

Although surprise is less 'absolute' compared to other rules, I believe we could still advise others on the most rules-suitable (and/or consistent) methods of adjudicating it. At least, it seems like excellent rules-territory to explore.

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