SB Tech, Curse of Echoes

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Wanted to get people opinions on this since it seems to be showing up more and more often in peoples SB's, and it actually seems like decent tech.

Curse of Echoes.

Neuters counterspells, makes opponents more wary of using removal, seems super sweet against Sphinx's Revelation and Rakdos's Return.
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It's an okay card but it gains power when people aren't expecting it. When people know it's a thing they will be able to prepare. The card isn't extremely strong in raw power which makes it bad compared to other cards in the format. 
It's an okay card but it gains power when people aren't expecting it. When people know it's a thing they will be able to prepare. The card isn't extremely strong in raw power which makes it bad compared to other cards in the format. 



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It's an okay card but it gains power when people aren't expecting it. When people know it's a thing they will be able to prepare. The card isn't extremely strong in raw power which makes it bad compared to other cards in the format. 



This is exactly how I describe most of your decks.

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Yeah basically. I have okay ideas just need somebody to make them suck less. 

I mean it's cute and all, but I dunno. They drop this and than you Hellkite them. I figure people would just play around or counter it. I mean there are going to be some spells that don't even care (ex. Supreme Verdict.)

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I mean it's cute and all, but I dunno. They drop this and than you Hellkite them. I figure people would just play around or counter it. I mean there are going to be some spells that don't even care (ex. Supreme Verdict.)



You're already wrong because you wouldn't board this in against decks running hellkite. 

You can basically win control matchups by playing this card and it resolving.  
You're already wrong because you wouldn't board this in against decks running hellkite. 

You can basically win control matchups by playing this card and it resolving.  



I was thinking American Tempo. I mean it has counters, burn,and Sphinx's Rev along with Thundermaw. Granted I've tested zero with the card, but I was thinking of the "hot" deck right now and how it SB's against it.

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You're already wrong because you wouldn't board this in against decks running hellkite. 

You can basically win control matchups by playing this card and it resolving.  



I was thinking American Tempo. I mean it has counters, burn,and Sphinx's Rev along with Thundermaw. Granted I've tested zero with the card, but I was thinking of the "hot" deck right now and how it SB's against it.


No, that is the wrong aplication of this card. It's good against control decks and that's it. 
No, that is the wrong aplication of this card. It's good against control decks and that's it. 



Well, I guess my evaluation of the card is meta dependant. I haven't been seeing a lot of control. I'll probably board one in the next few weeks to test.

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How does this compare to sands of delirium?
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No, that is the wrong aplication of this card. It's good against control decks and that's it. 



Well, I guess my evaluation of the card is meta dependant. I haven't been seeing a lot of control. I'll probably board one in the next few weeks to test.



This would have been better when control was around. Just wait, the meta will continue to shift to allow control to be a deck again. 

This card is interchangable with cards like psychic spiral and sands of delirium. However, I've seen a lot of things about this meta that if you're a control deck you need to have all of your tech against control main deck. So, I'm not even sure this card is that relevant.  
Curse of Echoes is awesome when you team it up with Curse of Thirst and Curse of Misfortunes. 

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I wish I could frustratingly Curse of Death's Hold and Jace +1 everyone into "go to turns" frustration. Of course, I get girlly slapped to death by zombies and Falkenraths before that sorta magic happens.

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I wish I could frustratingly Curse of Death's Hold and Jace +1 everyone into "go to turns" frustration. Of course, I get girlly slapped to death by zombies and Falkenraths before that sorta magic happens.



Totally need MOAR Fog 13!  Undecided
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Seems like you would need some luck on your side to make this actually count, but it would certainly drop some monocles.
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I like Echoes, but what makes it good isn't the sillyness involved in making your opponent's counterspells or discard bad. It's the idea that every free spell you get from the Curse sitting there is just that- a free spell. In value wars this is sweet because it deadens much of your opponent's hand, or they have to give you symmetrical value up until the point where they can deal with the curse.
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I wish I could frustratingly Curse of Death's Hold and Jace +1 everyone into "go to turns" frustration. Of course, I get girlly slapped to death by zombies and Falkenraths before that sorta magic happens.



Hope you get lucky with Terminus on turns 2-3, save your Ultimate Price for Thundermaw Hellkite, Ghost Quarter their Cavern so you can actually counter **** ( and possibly put them off T3 Geralf's Messenger)

But yeah, in the small number of BR matchups I've played with the deck, it hasn't been pretty. Especially since I moved towards game winning fatties more than Enchantments (which I think was wrong). Deck trounces on GW and Midrange stuff. Rites can be tricky, but not unwinaable at all.

Seems like you would need some luck on your side to make this actually count, but it would certainly drop some monocles.


Done it before, multiple times. Though it wasn't with Curse of Echoes. Just Misfortunes, Death's Hold, and Thirst. But I run Safety Sphere in that deck, so its ok.

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@Jman - Yeah but we aren't talking about some crazy curse brew, we're talking about Echoes as a total one off.

You're still a hero though. I love those crazy cycles you get every now and then. let me count the ways...
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@Jman - Yeah but we aren't talking about some crazy curse brew, we're talking about Echoes as a total one off.

You're still a hero though. I love those crazy cycles you get every now and then. let me count the ways...



Its actually easier than you would think to stick a curse in the control mirror.

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