mono red officially given up on in standard?

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Desecration Demon..... Basically this is all i wanna say. I mean against mono red? It ruins us.  Turn 4 this and i'm not packing my Wrack With Madness I'm more than likely going to continue what i've been doing so far and thats scooping.  The bigger it gets the further the game goes out of my hands.  Maybe i'm missing some vital flaw i've yet to witness about this card because it sure isnt the sac and PUT A COUNTER ON THIS THING!!!! Man wtf is there for us to do?
Traitorous Blood and Conscripts?

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As Magic: The Gathering's official red player, let me be the first to say: Yes, time to pick a new deck. Cry This isn't sarcastic, it actually makes me really sad.

Realistically though, if Desecration Demon is your biggest problem, you suck at Magic: The Gathering and should find a more new player-friendly FLGS [friendly local game store]. If it's the only one in your area, please consider the following:

Black, with a heavy splash green or a light splash of red is the new "Red Deck Wins." Black does red's job better than red at the moment. Ash Zealot? Woulda been like $10 in Zendikar-Alara type 2, right now is unplayable.

I accidentally lucked into B/R Zombies then Jund Zombies. I am aware how hard it would be for anyone else at this current time and of how fortunate I was to have the deck handed to me (by way of trades/pure luck). I sincerely wish you the best of luck and hope you dominate the **** out of the Bant (Green + white + blue)-playing ***holes in your locale.

First strike AND haste, people, and it's BAD, with a cost equal to its power. Seriously!? GODDAMN IT.
Meh, learn how to splash. This is Ravnica.

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Meh, learn how to splash. This is Ravnica.


Too bad the absolute cheapest dual is the B/R one, which goes for $10 low, if you're supremely lucky.
If you don't want to spend $40 on a deck, you're probably in the wrong hobby.

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Mono red aggro used to cost $20 for a semi-competitive list (as recently as 4 years ago). D:<
stop playing defensively and sacking creatures to the retarded demon. you should have enough burn to just out race or burn the demon out. if he happens to block your 1/1 brimstone volley the demon since you have not been sacking creatures at that point.
Mono red aggro used to cost $20 for a semi-competitive list (as recently as 4 years ago). D:<


4 years ago, MRA required a set of Chained Bat-Hotdog at the very minimum...

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I didn't run a single copy and beat down a pair of Baneslayer Angel. Try again, mother****er.
Edit: I admit your nickname for it is both confusing and hilarious, basically my two favourite adjectives.

Edit: Everlasting Torment was the secret ingredient.
Edit2: Volcanic Fallout didn't hurt [me] one bit, either.
M13 duals are really cheap right now, as are the guildgates. You can still play without an incredible mana-base and win FNMs. You don't need shocks for that.

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76783093 wrote:
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58331438 wrote:
56945988 wrote:
Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
58331438 wrote:
57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
82423538 wrote:
57471038 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
Show
to get to the other side
89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
56776038 wrote:
122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
141434757 wrote:
In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You
71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
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88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
57150868 wrote:
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
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57033358 wrote:
Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
97820278 wrote:
192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
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77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

JustTerrorIt wrote:

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

Throw in Krenko's Command. Keep opponent's Dude tapped down. Either that, or let them swing with it. Either way, Win. If they're going for the "May I" demon finisher, their deck might have some serious issues.

Don't get me wrong, I love Devestation Demon, but I'd rather run something I control, and against Aggro, I shouldn't have control over that critter.
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Edit: I admit your nickname for it is both confusing and hilarious, basically my two favourite adjectives.


It was a comment based on the alt art promo. Someone referred to it as "A chained, evil bat-hotdog."

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Edit: I admit your nickname for it is both confusing and hilarious, basically my two favourite adjectives.


It was a comment based on the alt art promo. Someone referred to it as "A chained, evil bat-hotdog."



We always called it something that I'm not allowed to say on this forum, but pretty much the same thing as what people are calling Armada Wurm.

(at)MrEnglish22

And yet they keep printing this stuff. And then they don't even link the first printing of Wrath of God. You know why.
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If big creatures are you problem then you should be running Mark of Mutiny Or Traitorous Blood my only loss to a mono-red player was because of that card... seriously

Or do what the other suggest and splash black, i dont think green is going to help you with that problem at all or run more token generators so you can sac to the demon profitably  
And yet they keep printing this stuff. And then they don't even link the first printing of Wrath of God. You know why.



I'd never seen Shattersphere (or the Cyclops) before, nor Wrath of God. Also still don't see anything in WoG though you've pointed it out.

(at)MrEnglish22

And yet they keep printing this stuff. And then they don't even link the first printing of Wrath of God. You know why.



I'd never seen Shattersphere (or the Cyclops) before, nor Wrath of God. Also still don't see anything in WoG though you've pointed it out.



I think it's the guy in the middle with an arm going through his legs.

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76783093 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
58331438 wrote:
56945988 wrote:
Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
58331438 wrote:
57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
82423538 wrote:
57471038 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
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to get to the other side
89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
56776038 wrote:
122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
141434757 wrote:
In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You
71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
58232598 wrote:
88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
57150868 wrote:
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
143211137 wrote:
57033358 wrote:
Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
97820278 wrote:
192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
147137503 wrote:
77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

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JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

If that's the one with the purple man-thong, then yes, abso-goddamn-lutely.
If that's the one with the purple man-thong, then yes, abso-goddamn-lutely.


It wasn't, but HOLY HELL I SEE IT NOW.


@Dilleux, think thats a leg. But still.

(at)MrEnglish22

You guys missed Oliver Voldaren...



I've had people point that out to me, but I don't really agree with it.

(at)MrEnglish22

If you don't want to spend $40 on a deck, you're probably in the wrong hobby.


I spend $40 on my casual decks, you probably just left off a zero there. A good manabase easily goes over $100. So maybe $40 was a little misleading. Also you can get one playset of Abrupt Decay for $40. If running decent removal is something you are interested in.
57170298 wrote:
Borrowing the East Wind (P3) - Haha, it's like Hurricane but for horsemanship? That makes hilariously little sense. "Oh man, the wind is so much worse up on this horse."
57044478 wrote:
Jon Finkel can win a Magic tournament with a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean ham sandwiches are now the metagame breaker.
97820278 wrote:
Koth: I'm the first viable red planeswalker. Who are you? Tibalt: I'm a two-mana red planeswalker. Koth: I'm the last viable red planeswalker.
Desecration Demon..... Basically this is all i wanna say. I mean against mono red? It ruins us.  Turn 4 this and i'm not packing my Wrack With Madness I'm more than likely going to continue what i've been doing so far and thats scooping.  The bigger it gets the further the game goes out of my hands.  Maybe i'm missing some vital flaw i've yet to witness about this card because it sure isnt the sac and PUT A COUNTER ON THIS THING!!!! Man wtf is there for us to do?



If you're having trouble playing RDW, check out my deck. it has rolled over various forms of bant control/midrange, and even jund zombies. T1 Rakdos Cackler T2 Ash Zealot T3 Vexing Devil+Lightning Mauler will usually wrap up a game 
If you don't want to spend $40 on a deck, you're probably in the wrong hobby.


I spend $40 on my casual decks, you probably just left off a zero there. A good manabase easily goes over $100. So maybe $40 was a little misleading. Also you can get one playset of Abrupt Decay for $40. If running decent removal is something you are interested in.


That was in response to "Blood Crypts alone cost $10 each." 

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Desecration Demon..... Basically this is all i wanna say. I mean against mono red? It ruins us.  Turn 4 this and i'm not packing my Wrack With Madness I'm more than likely going to continue what i've been doing so far and thats scooping.  The bigger it gets the further the game goes out of my hands.  Maybe i'm missing some vital flaw i've yet to witness about this card because it sure isnt the sac and PUT A COUNTER ON THIS THING!!!! Man wtf is there for us to do?



If you're having trouble playing RDW, check out my deck. it has rolled over various forms of bant control/midrange, and even jund zombies. T1 Rakdos Cackler T2 Ash Zealot T3 Vexing Devil+Lightning Mauler will usually wrap up a game 


FNM is serious business.



Once again, maybe you could share your thought process? The title of this post is "mono red officially given up on in standard?". I showed up and offered my experiences, in an effort to advise OP, and do my part to be a contributing member of the MTG community. All you offer is sarcasm and snide remarks.

Seeing as you've joined the forums over 2 years ago, you must be pretty experienced. Maybe you could offer some insight into why my list is so non-competitive, without (attempting to) grind my face in the dirt? Aside from that, you just might be surprised how well the list plays. 
I'm a scientist, and I believe in rigor when it comes to testing hypotheses such as "my rdw isn't a shittier zombies".

Your experimental procedure is flawed.

I don't know if your hypothesis it true or not, I simply object to your testing procedure.



Flawed experimental procedure? Let me help you with something.

We are operating with different parameters of optimization. For you, the sole parameter is the ability to beat popular archetypes such as Jund Zombies and American Control in a highly competitive scenario. For me, candidate solutions lie along a curve which is dependent on the price as well as the efficiency and consistency of the deck. This deck fits that curve perfectly: 


  • I made it for about $40, and won over $100 in prizes in a single tournament. 

  • Because the decks main strategy is so homogenized, it draws very consistently. It is also very fast by nature. Almost every game, you can play T1 Rakdos Cackler or Reckless Waif, then T2 Ash Zealot or Lightning Mauler. This play can even put R/B zombies back on their heels.


Granted, it is not a top deck, but I never claimed it as such. If anything, this thing is a cheap beater to win you more loot. Your assessment that it is "a shittier zombies" is actually accurate, but this is merely common sense, considering that the deck costs as much as a set of Gravecrawlers.



Edit: I would also like to link these for anyone who is interested in running a budget RDW:

2 things:

1:  You DO realize that you can sell cards used in a tournament later, recouping your costs?
2:  You used a sample size of one event, against players of unknown quality playing decks of unknown quality, in a game where the best players in the world have 60% match win percentages.  (Content Removed)  



There's nothing scientific about what you're saying. You're just being a rude, insecure internet troll. And not that it's relevant to this conversation, but I happen to be studying for my M.S. in a top 20 program.

I have to say, most of the scientists I have met have been very enlightened people with realistic, analytic worldviews. While many are not extroverts (some are, though) they are generally very friendly and humane. I believe that it takes true maturity to undertake such a massive responsibility and commitment. Part of maturity is respecting others, perhaps even showing them kindness. Clearly, you have omitted these parameters from your decision-making process.
2 things:

1:  You DO realize that you can sell cards used in a tournament later, recouping your costs?
2:  You used a sample size of one event, against players of unknown quality playing decks of unknown quality, in a game where the best players in the world have 60% match win percentages.  (Content Removed)  



While you are gloating about your knowledge of Science, perhaps you could provide me with a decklist, and then prove the consistency of certain Combinatorial classes occuring, thereby proving the consistency of your deck? How about families of Discrete Probability intersections?
Reproducible. That's the word you want.

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In an experiment, you need to ensure that your results are replicatable.  In cases where chance plays a significant factor in the outcome of your experiment, such as a magic game, you need a sufficiently large sample size.  How is that not scientific?



The whole point of fine tuning a deck is minimizing the role that randomness1 plays in your gameplan. This is what is known as consistency. Part of consistency is building towards a specific strategy2. This very statement belies your lack of knowledge of the methods in Analytic Combinatorics and Discrete Probability that are employed by top deckbuilders - often without them having specific knowledge in either field.

I find it rather ironic that you mention "results [that] are replicatable". This is exactly the point of applying Random Walk algorithms to graphs of your decks. When the same Combinatorial classes arise consistently, you have a well organized Data Structure (deck). Double points if you can prove a correlation between the Complexity Class in which your Random-Walk algorithm lies, and the Combinatorial classes that arise. Doubly ironic because you use an extremely large n, as with any computational task, yet you attempted to mock me for lacking knowledge of Statistical methods.




1 - True randomness doesn't exist outside of Quantum-level events, much less a human shuffling cards.
2- See Paolo Vitor Damo da Rosa .
Reproducible. That's the word you want.



Heh, now THAT'S funny.

I think there's still room for aggro decks in the format.  It's gotten to the point where RDW isn't that much worse off compared to zombies because everyone is running exile/ non-destruction removal as an (over)reaction to zombies.  Detention Sphere is going to blank any critter, whether it has undying or not.  RDW/ rakdos aggro has a slight advantage over zombies in that it's faster, and has potential for more explosive burst damage.  That can be used to prey on decks that have inconsistent starts, or absolutely need to survive to turn 5 to win.

Sometimes that bant deck is just not going to draw a timely Terminus, and they're going to lose.  That's just the way the format is right now.  It's funny how many of the States results were "I picked this deck up the day of the tournament and won!  Teehee!" 

1 - True randomness doesn't exist outside of Quantum-level events, much less a human shuffling
cards.


This is a completely incorrect understanding of both the word "random" and quantum science.

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That's truly rich. I posted in this thread to be helpful to the OP, and contribute something to the conversation and the community, and I accomplished that purpose. I shared a budget decklist for people who cannot afford competitive decks in a relevant thread; your charge that it is a "**** zombies" is irrelevant, because players who aren't even familiar with the current meta-game consider LGS FNM to be competitive.

You, on the other hand, have done nothing but attempt to belittle me, yet you say that I am an angry internet person? I am the one behaving rationally and maturely, while you poke fun at others like an obnoxious high-schooler. Furthermore, I doubt very gravely that you are anyone respectable in the international scientific community. Scientists don't generally tell others to "L2 Science bitch".

1 - True randomness doesn't exist outside of Quantum-level events, much less a human shuffling
cards.


This is a completely incorrect understanding of both the word "random" and quantum science.



Go ahead, explain. I'm not into Quantum Theory, but I could call up a colleague. I think that you are the one who lacks understanding of randomness:

It can be shown that in virtually all situations, there exists an algorithm which describes the actions that arrived at the supposed random number. This is a Mathematical fact, and I would be truly entertained to here your reasoning behind your unfounded assertion. Furthermore, It appears that your buddy called in the cavalry because his fake forum persona was at risk. This whole thing would be funny, if I weren't genuinely interested having  lucid discussions on MtG.
Reproducible. That's the word you want.



Heh, now THAT'S funny.

I think there's still room for aggro decks in the format.  It's gotten to the point where RDW isn't that much worse off compared to zombies because everyone is running exile/ non-destruction removal as an (over)reaction to zombies.  Detention Sphere is going to blank any critter, whether it has undying or not.  RDW/ rakdos aggro has a slight advantage over zombies in that it's faster, and has potential for more explosive burst damage.  That can be used to prey on decks that have inconsistent starts, or absolutely need to survive to turn 5 to win.

Sometimes that bant deck is just not going to draw a timely Terminus, and they're going to lose.  That's just the way the format is right now.  It's funny how many of the States results were "I picked this deck up the day of the tournament and won!  Teehee!" 



Terminus is definitely a beast against any aggro deck, but I have found that, if my opponent Miracles it at all, they are already back on their heels. Not only that, when in the control matchup, it is always advisable to hold a creature. I have also been thinking about Pyreheart Wolf to be a pest after Supreme Verdict.

R/B aggro is definitely superior for it's ability to incorporate Geralf's Messenger, although the all-important Pillar of Flame shuts it down. Joel Bouzaglou mainboarded 4 Annihilating Fire, which may even give RDW an advantage in the matchup 
1:  The purpose of tuning isn't to improve consistency, it's to imrpove match winrate.  If that were true, everyone would just play 60 basics.
2:  Even in a deck as consistent as RDW, pseudorandomness will play a significant role.  Manaflood, manascrew, dice rolls, as well as your opponents' decks, which may experience more variance than yours, all play a role in whether you win a specific match.
3:  If your justification for this deck being good were "I used a statistical model to determine how often it draws winning hands", you would be my new best friend.  But alas, such was not he case.  Which is probably for the best, because you don't seem very friendly.  Back on topic:   your evidence was a small sample size (5 rounds) in a field with massive amounts of variance (mtg) using improper lab materials (random people at FNM).  I agree that statistics are a useful tool, but you didn't actually use them.

bigk42:
One edge which zombies still retains is that it has 3 2 power 1 drops.  You do have some good points though, and the fact that so much removal exiles things is a point in RDW's favor.



Once again, I don't quite understand how you can charge me with being unfriendly:


  • I contribute to the thread.

  • I attempt to assist community members.

  • I ask for constructive criticism from others.

  • I respect others, unless they disrespect me, as you have done.

  • You are the one who has been strutting around like a rooster, doing nothing to contribute to the conversation, and behaving in a reprehensible manner in general.


#3 is such naive misunderstanding of the subject matter. "Drawing winning hands" is a pretty incredible oversimplification, and general lack of insight from a "scientist" like yourself. I would explain the methods that real scientists use, but you have been very rude, and you lack the training and intellect to understand them anyway.
S1AL:  Thanks.  We're like twins, we finish eachothers' sentences 

angry internet person:  I don't have a deck I'm trying to convince people to like.  I don't make claims I can't/am too lazy to back up with evidence.



That's truly rich. I posted in this thread to be helpful to the OP, and contribute something to the conversation and the community, and I accomplished that purpose. I shared a budget decklist for people who cannot afford competitive decks in a relevant thread; your charge that it is a "**** zombies" is irrelevant, because players who aren't even familiar with the current meta-game consider LGS FNM to be competitive.

You, on the other hand, have done nothing but attempt to belittle me, yet you say that I am an angry internet person? I am the one behaving rationally and maturely, while you poke fun at others like an obnoxious high-schooler. Furthermore, I doubt very gravely that you are anyone respectable in the international scientific community. Scientists don't generally tell others to "L2 Science bitch".


1:  I stated that it being a "shittier zombies" was a hypothesis which you attempted to disprove.  I in no way endorsed this hypothesis.  Strawman arguments.  That's just sad, man.
2:  Your assumptions about scientists are simply biases from your excessive exposure to the western culture.


1 - True randomness doesn't exist outside of Quantum-level events, much less a human shuffling
cards.


This is a completely incorrect understanding of both the word "random" and quantum science.



Go ahead, explain. I'm not into Quantum Theory, but I could call up a colleague. I think that you are the one who lacks understanding of randomness:

It can be shown that in virtually all situations, there exists an algorithm which describes the actions that arrived at the supposed random number. This is a Mathematical fact, and I would be truly entertained to here your reasoning behind your unfounded assertion. Furthermore, It appears that your buddy called in the cavalry because his fake forum persona was at risk. This whole thing would be funny, if I weren't genuinely interested having  lucid discussions on MtG.


1:  I didn't call in S1AL.  He's just a friendly forum person.
2:  You don't know to what extent truly random factors (electron positioning, radioactive decay) affect the shuffling of a deck of magic cards.  I don't either, but at least I can admit it. 



You know what I do know? When someone is talking out of their ass. How can one admit that they don't know something, but then state it is a fact? That is a gross violation of the principle of Empiricism. Furthermore, the Combinatorial methods that I use DO apply to real-world situations. That is why Government Agencies essentially conduct bidding wars with multi-billion dollar companies to hire graduates from my University.

To address your first two arguments, I never claimed that RDW was a superior deck to R/B zombies. However, when using a different set of metrics, RDW actually is the superior deck. I would say to reread my first few posts, but I don't think it would do much to aid your understanding of the concepts. If I can recommend a good text for introductory students like yourself, it would be Discrete Mathematics, 4th ed. by Susanna Epp.
Aside from that, your fresh-from-the-can argument of cultural bias is pretty invalid, seeing as I was not born in the U.S. and have travelled to many countries in Europe and Asia. 
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I am quite the intellectual.  I have studied the metaphysics of Joel Olstein, the sociological philosophy of Rush Limbaugh, and have an open enough mind to realize that the government did 9-11.

You aren't very friendly because you display an unnatural love for conflict and retribution.  After I gave you some constructive criticism on your scientific process, you lashed out at me.  Come to think of it, maybe you aren't even being serious.  You're probably just one of those "internet trolls".

And you were the one who suggested using statistical analysis.  If you don't think statistical models can accurately represent magic the gathering, don't suggest the use of such tools.





I think it is rather obvious that you were not giving me constructive criticism on my scientific process; your only purpose was to be rude. I initiated discussion by being friendly and helpful. You did no such thing. If this is your idea of stimulating a discussion, then I truly pity you. Not only that, you lack even the vaguest concept of the methods that I use in deckbuilding, let alone serious research, so it takes some serious gall to question them. 

You seriously lack reading comprehension if you think that I said at any point that Mathematical models cannot represent MtG games. However, statistics is a very small piece of the picture. Graph Theory, Analytic Combinatorics, and Discrete Probability, as well as various forms of Analysis are the predominant branches of Maths that apply to MtG. Like I said before, I could wax intellectual about the Mathematics and Computation behind MtG (such as the recent proof of MtG Turing-Completeness - for anyone who is interested), but you clearly lack the intelligence and training to understand such concepts.

I am not here to argue, and I am not looking for a fight. I am not here to make a fool of you; you did it to yourself when you claimed the false internet persona of a "scientist". I am only here to have friendly, lighthearted, constructive criticism about MtG. This thread has clearly been hijacked from that purpose, and it seems that the rest of your lackies have shown up to cheer you on - pretty funny, considering I just caught you in a lie, and then procceded to hand you your ass. I don't need the validation of anyone, much less a mask-wearing charletan such as yourself.

This is the final post that I will make on this subject. If you have a shred of decency or maturity, you will do the same.