Can Mono red survive in this Format?

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I'm an older player looking to return back to Standard and my question is with Burn and Goblins taking a hit with this last rotation, can mono-red still make a mark in Standard? And by what turn is most games won by these days?


Thanks,


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MonoRed Goblins with Krenko lost pretty much everything with the rotation Goblin Wardriver and Goblin Chieftain.

The poor support for Vexing Devil indicates how bad Burn is. There just isn't enough efficient, versatile burn to justify going monored, even if you merge in the goblins.
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What about combining burn with goblins and mix of counters/control?
I've read an article recently that made a mono red deck called "cheap dirty red." It was by Travis Woo, on channelfireball.

Basically you try and do as much damage as you can the first four turns or so, using cards like stromkirk noble, rakdos cackler, ash zealot, even mogg flunkies, burning any early blockers out of the way and finishing off with a hellrider for the final points of damage. I'm not sure how well it plays but it's a good start. It costs about fifty dollars max to make too, so there's that.
Take a peek at the Islands Red and Rakdos Aggro threads in Standard Deck Help. Some good lists, mine included, are there. They have played well and are rather affordable for a standard deck that can compete.
Thanks guys! i'll check it out!
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I think there's actually a U/R Aggro deck to be built that can tangle with Zombies. I'm trying to figure it out at the moment.
2:  Don't listen to CFB writers who are not LSV, PV, or Caleb Durdward.


Owen Turtenwald is solid on those rare occasions when he parks his ego before he writes the article.

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There seems to be a lot of the RTR Selesnia guild at the moment and thats Green/White with the populate mechanic and an uncountable creature, so any red could take working against that in mind. There is also at least one guild with red in it with a particularly powerful dragon.
Owen Turtenwald is solid on those rare occasions when he parks his ego before he writes the article.

If I was Owen, I'd hire several muscles to carry my ego around for me. He's currently the highest skilled player with LSV tailing behind him (PV being the highest technical player).
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I think there has to be a shift in the meta for mono-red to be good. Thragtusk is crushing many mono-red dreams. Honestly, aggro red now needs support from atleast one other color and I don't see that changing. In the defense of red, I actually like red a lot right now because it is doing more than aggroing and playing overcosted random effect cards. I think I've played more Faithless Looting alone than my entire LGS regulars put together.

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1:  Every aggro deck is a worse version of zombies.


I think there's actually a U/R Aggro deck to be built that can tangle with Zombies. I'm trying to figure it out at the moment.
2:  Don't listen to CFB writers who are not LSV, PV, or Caleb Durdward.


Owen Turtenwald is solid on those rare occasions when he parks his ego before he writes the article.




I'm assuming it has counters and delver my problem is the counters aren't worth it on 3 drop versus plain aggro

I'm assuming it has counters and delver my problem is the counters aren't worth it on 3 drop versus plain aggro


No, absolutely not on Delver. Though, honestly, the U/W/R midrange is probably just better.

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Hmm, Other than Delver, what are you getting in return for splashing U besides cheap bounce in terms of aggro?
Best 3 drop creature in the format (GoST) and Snapkeep Mage

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I don't think red is completely hopeless, then again I'm a bit of an optimist when it comes to red. I play it in every format

Cards like Centaur Healer and Restoration Angel are irritating. Since they are effectively fogs against red decks and keep oponent alive long enough to get down thragtusk. Loosing manabarbs really hurt and there is no way to punish opponents for tapping out at the moment.

I think the trick is to push further up the curve by cutting stuff like Stromkirk noble and start adding some bigger creatures like Zealous Conscripts and Thundermaw Hellkites to the red decks.

Before rotation I was playing a R/G deck with Rancor, Huntmaster and Flinthoof Boar (Boggart ram-gang is always good), unfortunately loosing the second set of R+G dual lands hurt that stratergy. I think when Gruul comes into standard red will rise up again. Especially when you'll be able to play two 3 power 2 drops then (Chainwalker and Flinthoof boar), I think rancor will work well with cards like Ash zealot as well, unfortunately mana is not there yet...
I'm an older player looking to return back to Standard and my question is with Burn and Goblins taking a hit with this last rotation, can mono-red still make a mark in Standard? And by what turn is most games won by these days?


Thanks,


=)   



check out my deck. It has been rolling over various forms of bant midrange/control pretty easily. Even a topdeck Terminus or t4 Supreme Verdict only prolong the inevitable, as you can constantly pump out more cheap beaters. Vexing Devil is just amazing in this deck (laugh all you want, but I don't think I've lost a game where someone allowed me to burn them for 4 for only 1 mana)
I'm an older player looking to return back to Standard and my question is with Burn and Goblins taking a hit with this last rotation, can mono-red still make a mark in Standard? And by what turn is most games won by these days?


Thanks,


=)   



check out my deck. It has been rolling over various forms of bant midrange/control pretty easily. Even a topdeck Terminus or t4 Supreme Verdict only prolong the inevitable, as you can constantly pump out more cheap beaters. Vexing Devil is just amazing in this deck (laugh all you want, but I don't think I've lost a game where someone allowed me to burn them for 4 for only 1 mana)


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oversimplified analogies are always good in the place of constructive criticism ^^. regardless, OP posted asking about RDW in standard, so I posted a relevant list, in an attempt to be helpful (something you're clearly not familiar with). even if my list was horridly unplayable, it wouldn't be admissible for you to mock me.

but, seriously, if you saw some of the results that you get from taking random walks on tree representation of the deck you wouldn't be dismissing it out of hand. as a matter of fact, i think that this deck would get better, and more consistent, random walks than any of the popular archetypes (this doesn't mean it would necessarily win the matchup)

rather than *sometimes* ending the game on t4, this deck does it quite frequently. The only real problem it has is your hand running out, but almost any aggro deck will lose if the game goes past turn 5 or 6. perhaps you could enlighten me, king l33t, as to why this deck is so bad?
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The only real problem it has is your hand running out, but perhaps you could enlighten me, king l33t, as to why this deck is so bad?



Because its not a $650 Bant deck or something similar, obviously...

There's a name for people who try to help others:
Communists. 



What about us Anarcho-Syndicalists? Do we count?
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My friend runs red deck wins and places top 8 at our local competition.
Unfortunetly I have no seen the deck so I do not know what he runs
RDW is fine. I still chuckle over this thread that said RDW was going to be dead in RTR and it turned out to be quite powerful and able to hold it's own.

Is it a tier 1 deck? Probably not. I'd definetly say atleast Tier 2, though.