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This program will guide you through sorting the cards in Return to Ravnica. Just click the card you believe to be generally stronger. When you are done you will get a copyable list of the sorted cards with associated grades which you can then use in rating threads. This is only for people with patience and some spare time though, as it will probably take around a thousand clicks to get through, and that's a lot of decisions to make, even if they are just decisions between two cards.


dl.dropbox.com/u/60886266/wotc/tmp/rtr-s...

Are we rating this for limited or constructed or does it matter?

I found Carmen Sandiego before you were born unless you're Zlehtnoba.

These are the limited forums, aren't they?


Anyway, this is for you, not me. Your results aren't pooled into some database somewhere or anything like that, it just gives you a personal list to use however you want. You could sort everything based on constructed power level if you were interested in that, it wouldn't hurt anything.

If you want what it gave me as feedback, not sure it's exactly on-target but I guess it's a good rule of thumb:
Show
A
Isperia, Supreme Judge
Armada Wurm
Sphinx's Revelation
Jace, Architect of Thought
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
Angel of Serenity
Mizzium Mortars
Desecration Demon
Collective Blessing
Deadbridge Goliath
Rakdos's Return
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
Cyclonic Rift
A-
Archon of the Triumvirate
Rakdos, Lord of Riots
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Supreme Verdict
Martial Law
Hellhole Flailer
Mercurial Chemister
Chaos Imps
Vraska the Unseen
Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage
New Prahv Guildmage
Korozda Guildmage
Detention Sphere
Corpsejack Menace
B+
Hypersonic Dragon
Righteous Authority
Palisade Giant
Sphinx of the Chimes
Abrupt Decay
Necropolis Regent
Loxodon Smiter
Underworld Connections
Dreadbore
Pack Rat
Rix Maadi Guildmage
Carnival Hellsteed
Wayfaring Temple
Overgrown Tomb
Rakdos Ragemutt
Arrest
Bloodfray Giant
Ultimate Price
Grove of the Guardian
Izzet Charm
B
Soulsworn Spirit
Thoughtflare
Stab Wound
Lyev Skyknight
Phantom General
Lotleth Troll
Growing Ranks
Selesnya Charm
Dead Reveler
Thrill-Kill Assassin
Civic Saber
Skymark Roc
Izzet Staticaster
Steam Vents
Splatter Thug
Azorius Justiciar
Temple Garden
Annihilating Fire
Hallowed Fountain
Slime Molding
B-
Street Spasm
Chromatic Lantern
Call of the Conclave
Hussar Patrol
Common Bond
Dreg Mangler
Explosive Impact
Blustersquall
Gore-House Chainwalker
Keening Apparition
Rites of Reaping
Blood Crypt
Avenging Arrow
Rootborn Defenses
Auger Spree
Wild Beastmaster
Sluiceway Scorpion
Eyes in the Skies
Nivix Guildmage
Golgari Keyrune
C+
Rakdos Cackler
Dryad Militant
Knightly Valor
Ash Zealot
Deathrite Shaman
Judge's Familiar
Golgari Charm
Rakdos Keyrune
Centaur's Herald
Golgari Decoy
Jarad's Orders
Grim Roustabout
Transguild Promenade
Centaur Healer
Daggerdrome Imp
Azor's Elocutors
Rogue's Passage
Tavern Swindler
Frostburn Weird
Coursers' Accord
Sewer Shambler
Goblin Electromancer
Perilous Shadow
Voidwielder
Azorius Keyrune
Azorius Charm
Azorius Arrester
C
Security Blockade
Stonefare Crocodile
Runewing
Launch Party
Korozda Monitor
Grave Betrayal
Guttersnipe
Skyline Predator
Druid's Deliverance
Syncopate
Assassin's Strike
Faerie Impostor
Lobber Crew
Tenement Crasher
Street Sweeper
Fencing Ace
Savage Surge
Death's Presence
Inaction Injunction
Cobblebrute
Essence Backlash
Stealer of Secrets
Towering Indrik
Paralyzing Grasp
Utvara Hellkite
Trostani's Judgment
Rubbleback Rhino
C-
Axebane Guardian
Tower Drake
Gatecreeper Vine
Slum Reaper
Brushstrider
Electrickery
Soul Tithe
Pursuit of Flight
Precinct Captain
Rakdos Guildgate
Gobbling Ooze
Hover Barrier
Pyroconvergence
Spawn of Rix Maadi
Zanikev Locust
Trestle Troll
Drudge Beetle
Giant Growth
Rakdos Ringleader
Inspiration
Selesnya Guildgate
Volatile Rig
Crosstown Courier
Izzet Guildgate
Traitorous Instinct
Dramatic Rescue
Sunspire Griffin
Azorius Guildgate
Swift Justice
D+
Risen Sanctuary
Cremate
Slitherhead
Vassal Soul
Cancel
Selesnya Sentry
Seller of Songbirds
Golgari Guildgate
Rakdos Shred-Freak
Selesnya Keyrune
Dynacharge
Concordia Pegasus
Ogre Jailbreaker
Doorkeeper
Horncaller's Chant
Mind Rot
Goblin Rally
Treasured Find
D
Sphere of Safety
Teleportal
Viashino Racketeer
Golgari Longlegs
Izzet Keyrune
Ethereal Armor
Archweaver
Armory Guard
Sundering Growth
Skull Rend
Deviant Glee
Mana Bloom
Chemister's Trick
Cryptborn Horror
Isperia's Skywatch
Grisly Salvage
Minotaur Aggressor
Aerial Predation
Chorus of Might
Mizzium Skin
D-
Terrus Wurm
Aquus Steed
Dark Revenant
Seek the Horizon
Slaughter Games
Fall of the Gavel
Dispel
Rakdos Charm
Counterflux
Guild Feud
Codex Shredder
Downsize
Pithing Needle
Blistercoil Weird
Rest in Peace
Bazaar Krovod
Batterhorn
Worldspine Wurm
Nivmagus Elemental
Havoc Festival
F
Vandalblast
Axebane Stag
Catacomb Slug
Conjured Currency
Firemind's Foresight
Trained Caracal
Chronic Flooding
Drainpipe Vermin
Psychic Spiral
Oak Street Innkeeper
Survey the Wreckage
Shrieking Affliction
Epic Experiment
Racecourse Fury
Heroes' Reunion
Destroy the Evidence
Bellows Lizard
Urban Burgeoning
Tablet of the Guilds
Search Warrant
Search the City


If anyone has any questions as to some of these evaluations, hit me!
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My results. Made a couple misclicks and didn't think too hard on anything. I was kinda going back and forth between sorting and doing other things.


Show
A
Vraska the Unseen
Mizzium Mortars
Jace, Architect of Thought
Armada Wurm
Pack Rat
Deadbridge Goliath
Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius
Mercurial Chemister
Isperia, Supreme Judge
Martial Law
Supreme Verdict
Hypersonic Dragon
Rakdos's Return
A-
Sphinx's Revelation
Desecration Demon
Underworld Connections
Cyclonic Rift
Collective Blessing
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Angel of Serenity
Loxodon Smiter
Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage
Arrest
Bloodfray Giant
Hellhole Flailer
Lotleth Troll
Rakdos, Lord of Riots
B+
Archon of the Triumvirate
Chaos Imps
Sphinx of the Chimes
Detention Sphere
Street Spasm
Auger Spree
Ultimate Price
Skymark Roc
Azorius Charm
Corpsejack Menace
Carnival Hellsteed
Necropolis Regent
Stab Wound
Dreg Mangler
Thoughtflare
Korozda Guildmage
Call of the Conclave
Centaur Healer
Thrill-Kill Assassin
Splatter Thug
B
Gore-House Chainwalker
Annihilating Fire
Nivix Guildmage
Wayfaring Temple
Civic Saber
Wild Beastmaster
Rites of Reaping
Growing Ranks
Izzet Charm
Coursers' Accord
Rakdos Ragemutt
Sluiceway Scorpion
Azorius Keyrune
Golgari Keyrune
Selesnya Keyrune
Rakdos Keyrune
Abrupt Decay
Rix Maadi Guildmage
Dreadbore
Selesnya Charm
B-
Lyev Skyknight
Grove of the Guardian
Izzet Keyrune
Deathrite Shaman
Explosive Impact
Izzet Staticaster
Assassin's Strike
Teleportal
Righteous Authority
Precinct Captain
Trostani's Judgment
Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
New Prahv Guildmage
Slime Molding
Savage Surge
Giant Growth
Inaction Injunction
Frostburn Weird
Dead Reveler
Transguild Promenade
C+
Overgrown Tomb
Steam Vents
Centaur's Herald
Trestle Troll
Blood Crypt
Ash Zealot
Jarad's Orders
Perilous Shadow
Eyes in the Skies
Runewing
Zanikev Locust
Rakdos Cackler
Grim Roustabout
Temple Garden
Golgari Guildgate
Selesnya Guildgate
Izzet Guildgate
Dramatic Rescue
Common Bond
Palisade Giant
Spawn of Rix Maadi
Chromatic Lantern
Hussar Patrol
Sunspire Griffin
Skyline Predator
Hover Barrier
Voidwielder
C
Hallowed Fountain
Rakdos Guildgate
Azorius Guildgate
Drudge Beetle
Soulsworn Spirit
Grisly Salvage
Stonefare Crocodile
Gatecreeper Vine
Lobber Crew
Brushstrider
Korozda Monitor
Azorius Justiciar
Launch Party
Stealer of Secrets
Golgari Decoy
Axebane Guardian
Rakdos Shred-Freak
Slum Reaper
Goblin Rally
Keening Apparition
Paralyzing Grasp
Azorius Arrester
Dryad Militant
Risen Sanctuary
Isperia's Skywatch
Swift Justice
Grave Betrayal
C-
Selesnya Sentry
Rootborn Defenses
Soul Tithe
Rogue's Passage
Guttersnipe
Treasured Find
Azor's Elocutors
Death's Presence
Volatile Rig
Faerie Impostor
Dark Revenant
Vassal Soul
Avenging Arrow
Utvara Hellkite
Rubbleback Rhino
Inspiration
Golgari Charm
Goblin Electromancer
Towering Indrik
Tower Drake
Traitorous Instinct
Golgari Longlegs
Syncopate
Pithing Needle
Cobblebrute
Terrus Wurm
Fencing Ace
Knightly Valor
Sewer Shambler
D+
Tenement Crasher
Chemister's Trick
Seller of Songbirds
Doorkeeper
Daggerdrome Imp
Security Blockade
Electrickery
Blustersquall
Tavern Swindler
Ogre Jailbreaker
Druid's Deliverance
Pyroconvergence
Cryptborn Horror
Sundering Growth
Essence Backlash
Crosstown Courier
Conjured Currency
Skull Rend
D
Mind Rot
Concordia Pegasus
Archweaver
Downsize
Bazaar Krovod
Dynacharge
Nivmagus Elemental
Slitherhead
Viashino Racketeer
Mana Bloom
Codex Shredder
Ethereal Armor
Guild Feud
Deviant Glee
Horncaller's Chant
Dispel
Minotaur Aggressor
Seek the Horizon
Worldspine Wurm
Psychic Spiral
D-
Gobbling Ooze
Phantom General
Axebane Stag
Batterhorn
Catacomb Slug
Street Sweeper
Bellows Lizard
Chorus of Might
Cancel
Aerial Predation
Armory Guard
Rakdos Ringleader
Heroes' Reunion
Mizzium Skin
Aquus Steed
Pursuit of Flight
Fall of the Gavel
Havoc Festival
Cremate
Epic Experiment
F
Survey the Wreckage
Trained Caracal
Rakdos Charm
Judge's Familiar
Drainpipe Vermin
Counterflux
Firemind's Foresight
Search Warrant
Racecourse Fury
Oak Street Innkeeper
Shrieking Affliction
Sphere of Safety
Chronic Flooding
Rest in Peace
Tablet of the Guilds
Vandalblast
Blistercoil Weird
Slaughter Games
Destroy the Evidence
Urban Burgeoning
Search the City
sphinx's revelation: Blue sun's zenith wasn't A+ good.



I don't know, drawing lots cards and simultaneously getting a life bump to get to use them is great, in my opinion. Kiss of the Amesha was great and this scales up from that pretty nicely.

trostani:  Awkward to cast, doesn't read "You win the game" unless you have a centaur or knight token.



I agree. In a deck that can cast her, though, you will almost always have a token (unless you've been trading off, in which case a 2/5 that makes you gain life and can turn any gas into an explosion is still really, really good. I think this is justified.

corpsejack menace:  A lot of the time this will just be a rhox brute.



If it's worst-case is a great creature at a good price, I'm fine with that, but the upside is definitely there, I learned that at the prerelease.

hellhole flailer: it's good, but not THAT good. Not bomb-level good, in that it alone wins you games.



... It's ridiculous against everything but Selesnya and even there it's pretty good. Everytime I've drawn this when I've had it, it's been able to attack (and later Fling if needed).

jarad: awkward to cast, not that huge except lategame, doesn't win that quickly or consistently.



Again, I agree. I didn't have the impression that I ranked this ultra-highly, but a repeatable threat that grows as the game goes longer is extremely valuable, and his Fling ability is very good, too.

downsize:  can be a nice combat trick, save your dudes from a trade and save you some life.



Myeah I've played against this and I realized why Hysterical Blindness never was a thing. But I guess it does have some utility.

codex shredder:  if you're playing a slow control deck, I think you want this.



... Are you ever playing a slow control deck? In my opinion, they just lose in this format.

dark revenant:  2/2 flier for 2 that can trade off with their 2/2s and ensure that your next topdeck isn't a land.



The ability of this animal is the worst ability in the set in my opinion. I hate it.

terrus wurm:  surprisingly good.  It's a lategame fatty, and it makes another lategame fatty.



It's not really that good, it costs too much. I think a lot of people are underrating the speed of the format, and I prefer to be aggressive and cast cheap spells. If I am including 6- or 7-cost spells in my deck they had better be stuff like Niv-Mizzet, Archon, or just Explosive Impact.

axebane stag:  Given the lack of good removal, this is sometimes actually something you're happy MDing



See above comment. This is just worse than a land most times.

bellows lizard:  It's like somberwald vigilante in AVR:  sometimes you're playing the super-aggro deck that wants a 1 drop, even if it's mediocre.



No, no it's not. I very rarely played Dragon Hatchling in M13 and this is so much worse.

psychic spiral:  cast it for like 5-10 and you're probably winning that game, since your draws are more likely to be good and you have inevitability.



It does nothing to affect the board in any way. It might have a perceived upside of milling them out but honestly this is just worse than Elixir of Immortality except against a mill deck.

teleportal:  Sometimes you just cast this on a clogged board and win.  Like downsize, it would be better in different colors, but you can always splash it off a guildgate or 2.  This format has boardstalls quite a bit.



... It does? I haven't really been in one in my 7 draft matches so far. Besides, I didn't rank this that poorly. It's an okay late pick-up if you're Izzet.

grisly salvage:  this is impulse + bin a scavenge dude.  How is this bad?



... It's not that bad? That said, I'd rather be casting a creature.

viashino racketeer:  it's OK for curve filler in rakdos.



No it is snap terrible. 2/1s are basically irrelevant in the land of Centaurs.

golgari longlegs:  this is solid.  It can be a curve topper in rakdos and sometimes just be the biggest thing on the board, or it can just stop your opponent from attacking.  With so little removal,  sometimes fat just wins you games.



This is actually okay, but it's just a tadbit too uninteresting to get a good rating.

risen sanctuary:  clogged boards + little removal = fat being good.



I've been in a match or two where this would be useful, but its cost is pretty prohibitive. Perhaps I am underrating it slightly, but I really dislike playing late-drops if I can avoid it.

selesnya keyrune:  It's mana ramp, or it's a body.  And unlike the izzet one, it's actually a pretty solid one.



It's fine; I'm pretty sure I did rate it over the Izzet one. But it's not as good as the Rakdos one.

concordia pegasus:  swings in clogged boards or blocks 2 power dudes.  Not spectacular, but not bad...



This is actually okay, I might have been a little harsh on it, but not for those reasons. If your opponent are playing 2-power dudes, you're in a pretty good spot already. But this is a great animal to scavenge onto.

gobbling ooze:  bloodflow connisseur from AVR ate butcher ghouls.  This guys has no easily renewable food supply.



I agree, I rated him pretty low. But there is aura-based removal, and there is scavenge. He is not useless.

axebane guardian:  manafixing, ramping, and blocks their 2 power dude.  This guy is GREAT.



Again, I don't really think I'm that afraid of 2-power dudes. If they are in a deck that cannot detain my blockers I am probably not playing against a good opponent.

giant growth:  this is awesome.  It is a 1 cmc combat trick that will lead to your guy winning the fight 90% of the time.



I know, it's a good combat-trick. You'll want one or maybe two, tops.

rakdos ringleader:  I don't think I'd ever want this guy as my 6 drop.  He's just 3 power.  Kinda underwhelming.



I agree, I think I rated him fairly low overall though he might be better than he looks.
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Lobster, here's a list of everything we disagreed on by 50 or more positions. Negative numbers mean you rated it lower than I did.


[158] Phantom General
[139] Judge's Familiar
[-123] Izzet Keyrune
[-118] Selesnya Keyrune
[-115] Teleportal
[103] Blustersquall
[85] Street Sweeper
[-84] Grisly Salvage
[79] Knightly Valor
[77] Palisade Giant
[-77] Azorius Charm
[-76] Golgari Guildgate
[-76] Giant Growth
[75] Pursuit of Flight
[74] Avenging Arrow
[74] Trostani, Selesnya's Voice
[74] Tavern Swindler
[-73] Precinct Captain
[73] Daggerdrome Imp
[71] Soulsworn Spirit
[-66] Trestle Troll
[-64] Isperia's Skywatch
[64] Golgari Charm
[63] Azorius Justiciar
[62] Rootborn Defenses
[-62] Dramatic Rescue
[62] Sewer Shambler
[-62] Trostani's Judgment
[61] Security Blockade
[-61] Izzet Guildgate
[60] Rakdos Ringleader
[-59] Dark Revenant
[-59] Selesnya Guildgate
[58] Druid's Deliverance
[-58] Zanikev Locust
[-57] Sunspire Griffin
[57] Gobbling Ooze
[57] Keening Apparition
[-56] Pithing Needle
[-56] Centaur Healer
[56] New Prahv Guildmage
[55] Cremate
[-54] Goblin Rally
[-52] Azorius Keyrune
[-52] Azorius Guildgate
[51] Sphere of Safety
[-51] Assassin's Strike
[50] Essence Backlash
[50] Goblin Electromancer


It's interesting and fun to look at stuff this way. It allows you to really see where people differ in opinion / playstyle.

Who the hell plays sealed after prerelease? =P
That's interesting. Looking at all the minuses, I kind of like my evaluation of this set
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Here's some personal analysis.


You value fixing less than I do by a decent amount.
[-76] Golgari Guildgate
[-61] Izzet Guildgate
[-59] Selesnya Guildgate
[-52] Azorius Guildgate
[-35] Rakdos Guildgate
[-123] Izzet Keyrune
[-118] Selesnya Keyrune
[-52] Azorius Keyrune
[-32] Rakdos Keyrune
[-26] Golgari Keyrune


You also don't like tricks / tools as much as I do.
[-115] Teleportal
[-84] Grisly Salvage
[-77] Azorius Charm
[-76] Giant Growth
[-62] Dramatic Rescue
Exception is Blustersquall, which was probably a mistake on my part. It should probably be fairly close to Teleportal and Teleportal should be less.


You like detain and cards that shut down attacks more than I do.
[77] Palisade Giant
[74] Avenging Arrow
[71] Soulsworn Spirit
[63] Azorius Justiciar
[51] Sphere of Safety
Exception is Trestle Troll.


You like auras more than I do.
[79] Knightly Valor
[75] Pursuit of Flight


You like utility bears more than I do.
[74] Tavern Swindler
[61] Security Blockade
[57] Keening Apparition
[56] New Prahv Guildmage
[50] Goblin Electromancer


You're more committed to guild mechanics than I am so you like more cards that are mediocre on their own.
[158] Phantom General
[73] Daggerdrome Imp
[62] Sewer Shambler
[62] Rootborn Defenses
[58] Druid's Deliverance


You're not willing to pay as much for evasion as I am.
[-64] Isperia's Skywatch
[-58] Zanikev Locust
[-57] Sunspire Griffin


You're not willing to pay as much for removal as I am.
[-62] Trostani's Judgment
[-51] Assassin's Strike

That sounds about right. So far I've had success with fast, consistent two-color decks (explaining the fixing, and the bears, as well as perhaps the guild mechanics). I'm not that turned on by the evasive creatures in this set, it's my expression that the ground is where the action's at (explaining the evasion).

I generally like cheap spells (explaining the expensive removal - notice that I rate Impact fairly high because it can go to the face - and the bears). I like detain a lot because of its tempo aspect, and I think it's worth buying into the enchantment subtheme of the set if the auras are good and have immediate impact on their own (explaining the auras and the "defensive" stuff).

I'd be interested to know what kind of decks you've been drafting so far and how they've done.
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I haven't drafted at all. This is just at a glance and based on my sealed experience (where I actually never faced an Azorius or a Selesnya colored deck). I will be doing a draft (hopefully a couple actually) this weekend though. I usually do most of my drafting on MTGO, and Return to Ravnica isn't out on that yet. I'm sure my opinions will mature over time.
Who the hell plays sealed after prerelease? =P


My local shop I play at runs virtualy 100% sealed, either draft or straight sealed.
Who the hell plays sealed after prerelease? =P


My local shop I play at runs virtualy 100% sealed, either draft or straight sealed.



Draft isn't sealed.
Who the hell plays sealed after prerelease? =P


My local shop I play at runs virtualy 100% sealed, either draft or straight sealed.



Draft isn't sealed.



? Maybe I stated it wrong. Everyone buys three booster packs. You sit at a table and pass the cards picking one at a time. Isn't that a sealed draft?

The other thing he is doing This thursday is everyone buys 6 boosters. You make a deck with that and play.

So whatever those are, and for the first I think applies. That is all. I'm still new to termanology.
Who the hell plays sealed after prerelease? =P


My local shop I play at runs virtualy 100% sealed, either draft or straight sealed.



Draft isn't sealed.



? Maybe I stated it wrong. Everyone buys three booster packs. You sit at a table and pass the cards picking one at a time. Isn't that a sealed draft?

The other thing he is doing This thursday is everyone buys 6 boosters. You make a deck with that and play.

So whatever those are, and for the first I think applies. That is all. I'm still new to termanology.



Draft = 3 packs, take one card per pack. Round one pass packs to the left, round two to the right, round three to the left.

Sealed = 6 packs. Build deck. 

I found Carmen Sandiego before you were born unless you're Zlehtnoba.

Dyas; Events played with sealed product is called limited. Sealed Deck (commonly, "Sealed") is a particular limited format where you build a deck from six boosters.
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Cube is limited as well though, because you can draft it. I guess you could be saying you're mimicing sealed product though. Then there's this weird format and I'm unsure if it's considered limited or constructed, it feels like constructed but if you removed all the playtesting, tournament results, etc. Every party is given the same pool of cards and is supposed to build a deck out of them. Unlike sealed, since everyone has the same pool you can try to determine all the best decks and what others will play and sideboard accordingly. I'm pretty sure you play your typical 75 card constructed decks.
Ok, I think I understand where I was confused. I didnt' relize "sealed" was shorthand for limited, 6 boosters. To me I heard you started with sealed packs. So I considered "draft" to be a sealed type. I should state that at my shop we play "limited" formats.

End of all that though, I think this card thing would help with both sealed and draft. Or any limited format I would think.