Mtg color discussion

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My biggest interest in mtg is the philosophy of the five colors,which without the game would lack flavor. So this thread is to see your individual ideas of what each color represents and why you may align yourself to a particular color.

In my eyes the five colors go like this...

: Fascism (For everyone to follow a strict set of ethics)
: Omniscience (To learn everything regardless of the price)
: Narcissism (To do whatever it takes to benefit the self)
: Anarchy (To be absolutely free and do as you please)
: Primitive (To live by the laws of nature and pure instinct)
I think it is difficult to narrow each colour down to one clause. I mean, your summaries are pretty much correct, but there is more to each colour than can be said using so few words (Go ahead kids, prove me wrong).

Also, I feel like you've maybe started this thread on various different boards on this site several times. Not that that is a bad thing. I just wanted to mention it.

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That is a lovely painting of Richard Garfield. It really brings out his feminine side.
Also, I feel like you've maybe started this thread on various different boards on this site several times. Not that that is a bad thing. I just wanted to mention it.



As a thought experiment to observe the different reactions each subset of player may have it's okay... but only sort of.
It's more or less spamming the boards otherwise.
Yeah, I wasn't complaining. And if I were truly fascinated by a card - I might ask you guys about it flavourfully, and the YMtC people about it w/r/t design, and I'd even ask the Magic General people about it, if I wanted to see people argue about Ponies.

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That is a lovely painting of Richard Garfield. It really brings out his feminine side.
My prediction? Every other thread eventually turns into this discussion. This discussion will therefore turn into every other thread.
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So.... Poetry then!
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Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
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: Nature
: Freedom
: Intelligence
: Selfishness

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Yeah im sorry. I usually post this theme to see if I get a different reaction, ya know?
Yeah im sorry. I usually post this theme to see if I get a different reaction, ya know?



Well, let is be known the F&S reaction was thus:

"Let's talk about the colors!"
"Nah, that's been done. Let's talk about poetry!"

...which I feel encapsulates a great deal of our conversations in general....
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White values organization.
Blue values curiosity.
Black values selfishness.
Red values emotion.
Green values nostalgia.
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Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.
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I don't think you can define each colour down that easily - they're just too large and multifaceted. It's more helpful to use colour pairs as they show the overlaps between the colours and therefore have stronger identities. Even then there are multiple ways to represent each pair, probably too much to boil down to a single word.
 
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White values De Stijl, Russian Constructivism
Green values Earthworks, Abstract Expressionism
Red values 19th century romanticism, graffiti, and Dada
Black values pop art, also likes graffiti, and Italian futuism
Blue values surrealism, impressionism, post impressionism, op art

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When confronted with modern sports:

White: The dynamics of team play and the unifying force of a central community figurehead that can compete as champion of the community while preventing bloodshed.

Green: Athleticism. Nuff said. Would drool over Calvin Johnson/Lebron James

Red: Would porbably allow sports that most allow you to get caught up in the moment, wrestling (collegiate), hockey, basketball. Diehard team supporters that are prone to gambling and rioting. Sports is a pretty red thing in general.

Black: Bookies, fixers, and juicers. Also Yankees fans. Maybe be some redeemable qualities, but it doesn't matter because they are Yankees fans.

Blue: Sabermetrics, Xs and Os guys, people who get NFL Films 22 so they can watch the offensive line play on each snap. Probably run the Triangle and the Air Raid.



 
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
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White: Neo-classicism

Blue: Enlightment

Black: Post-modernism

Red: Romanticism

Green: Free poetry
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Wouldn't Green admire Rennaisance and Baroque Art? And styles that attempt to aproach realism in general?


If anything, wouldn't Green think that any styles that attempt to interpret the world as anything other than "as it is" are aberrations?

If anything, wouldn't Green think that any styles that attempt to interpret the world as anything other than "as it is" are aberrations?

Not necessarily. Green isn't just about hurr durr nature, it's also deeply reverent of the systems behind that nature and the spiritual connection to the earth. A work that evocates that might resonate with Green as well.

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If anything, wouldn't Green think that any styles that attempt to interpret the world as anything other than "as it is" are aberrations?

Not necessarily. Green isn't just about hurr durr nature, it's also deeply reverent of the systems behind that nature and the spiritual connection to the earth. A work that evocates that might resonate with Green as well.



I didn't mean only nature with the "world as it is". What I meant is that, if Green wanted to make a painting about love, it would probably think that two lovers are the best representation and try to represent them as close to reality as it could. And if Green wanted to make a short film about the daily life of a factory worker, it'd probably just grab a camera and run behind a real factory worker avoiding professional actors, detailed scripts and unnatural settings. Green is the color of status quo and tradition, and as such Green would believe that the current path of things, are the best path things could have taken.


But now that you have poinedt it out, I can kinda see how some abstraction could fit into the spiritual side of Green (which is also a huge part of Green's identity).

White: Lions

Blue: Twinks

Black: Chubs

Red: Otters

Green: Bears

(If you're confused, that's gay male aesthetic subcultures)
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White: Beethoven

Blue: Holst

Black: Strauss (the good parts of black, anyway)

Red: Wagner

Green: Dvorak
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Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.
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White values De Stijl, Russian Constructivism
Green values Earthworks, Abstract Expressionism
Red values 19th century romanticism, graffiti, and Dada
Black values pop art, also likes graffiti, and Italian futuism
Blue values surrealism, impressionism, post impressionism, op art

I AM SURE THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL AND EASILY UNDERSTOOD 

Hahaha I love this comparison. I'm in an art college so reading this kinda just made my day 
Hahaha I love this comparison. I'm in an art college so reading this kinda just made my day



Not more artists... Where are all the social scientists at? 


White is Classical Retribution (Kant) and Just Deserts: You did something wrong, and therefor it's a moral imperative that you are punished.


Blue is Rational Choice Theory: Make sure that the punishment deters rational people from committing the crime.


Black is Marxist/Conflict theory: Make sure you're the powerful group, so you can punish the weaker groups


Red is, surprisingly, also Classical Retribution, but more because of the idea of vengeance. See also Durkheim on punitive passions.


Green believes you are born criminal (or not), so it doesn't punish. It either treats or locks up.

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What is an otter?

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That is a lovely painting of Richard Garfield. It really brings out his feminine side.
Hahaha I love this comparison. I'm in an art college so reading this kinda just made my day



Not more artists... Where are all the social scientists at? 


White is Classical Retribution (Kant) and Just Deserts: You did something wrong, and therefor it's a moral imperative that you are punished.


Blue is Rational Choice Theory: Make sure that the punishment deters rational people from committing the crime.


Black is Marxist/Conflict theory: Make sure you're the powerful group, so you can punish the weaker groups


Red is, surprisingly, also Classical Retribution, but more because of the idea of vengeance. See also Durkheim on punitive passions.


Green believes you are born criminal (or not), so it doesn't punish. It either treats or locks up.



I know right? I would ask where the physicists are, but I know where they are. Where I should be, in a lab, being productive. Also, staying the hell away from the F&S forum.
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57817638 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
88318561 wrote:
58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!
What is an otter?




Somewhere between a twink and a bear
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What is an otter?




Somewhere between a twink and a bear



Is it because they use their belly as a table?
No, I guess it's because otters are fluffy, yet slim.

You know, like a seal.
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My biggest interest in mtg is the philosophy of the five colors,which without the game would lack flavor. So this thread is to see your individual ideas of what each color represents and why you may align yourself to a particular color. In my eyes the five colors go like this... : Fascism (For everyone to follow a strict set of ethics) : Omniscience (To learn everything regardless of the price) : Narcissism (To do whatever it takes to benefit the self) : Anarchy (To be absolutely free and do as you please) : Primitive (To live by the laws of nature and pure instinct)

The nicer side would be

unity
innocence
knowledge
freedom
this ones hard, maby goverment?

@Shamsiel: Would you mind explaining them?


@froofroo: How is Black government? How about "ambition" for Black?

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Black is the colour of individuality, social progress (according to Maro), ambition, pragmatism and moral relativism. Its easy to pick a good Black quality.

@Yxoque: Lions are buffy gingers (though I'm tempted to replace them with hunks, which seem more fit for White), twinks are basically teenage gay boys, chubs are fat (Black is greedy, after all...), otters are like twinks, but hairy, and bears are the ever so iconic muscular hairy gay men.
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Now what's a lion?

Also, I mean, I'm heterosexual, but I'm too muscular to be a twink and not hairy enough to be a bear. Okay, you've now got me obsessing too much, Sham.
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Clever deduction Watson! Maybe you can explain why Supergirl is trying to kill me.
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Otters tend to also be a bit older, in my understanding of the word...

Also, "twink" can alternately refer to gay surfer dude types. Think about it. What is a twinkie like?

Nicely browned on the outside and inside nothing but fluff.

[snicker]

The definitions tend to be a bit vague and fluid as far as I can tell, though. Except bears. Bears are pretty constant. Some unique property of the multiverse I suspect, or possibly just core set saturation.

Devil bears are a whole other story...




I'm thinking High Renaissance art is blue and then Mannerism is red. Of course, it's all arguably white, since it's about church or noble authority.
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Devil bears are a whole other story...



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I'm thinking High Renaissance art is blue and then Mannerism is red. Of course, it's all arguably white, since it's about church or noble authority.


What colors would you say humanism is closer to? I guess you see it as Blue and Red? Though, I interpret it as a mix of aspects of all color philosophies.



Note that while Rennaisance and Mannerism usually had religious themes, it dealt with those themes differently than the previously theocentric art of the Middle Ages. Renaissance art showed deities, heroes, angels, demons and saints all as flesh and blood beings. Many Religious (Pagan or Christian) Renaissance paintings actually acquire a strong Religious connotation only the moment a title is given to them (especially true for Pagan ones).

Now what's a lion?

Also, I mean, I'm heterosexual, but I'm too muscular to be a twink and not hairy enough to be a bear. Okay, you've now got me obsessing too much, Sham.



The term is consistently applied to gay men with long ginger or blonde hair and beards. They generally tend towards the hunk body type.
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Now what's a lion?

Also, I mean, I'm heterosexual, but I'm too muscular to be a twink and not hairy enough to be a bear. Okay, you've now got me obsessing too much, Sham.




The term is consistently applied to gay men with long ginger or blond hair and beards. They generally tend towards the hunk body type.



Interesting. Is it that common that it needs it's own name? 

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I don't know, though it appears less common than otters.
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I've heard lion associated largely with an attitude of dominance more than anything else...
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Devil bears are a whole other story...


Devil Bears are pretty consistent. You call our name, we come. You make spelling mistakes, you get eaten.

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¡Rawr!
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@Shamsiel: Would you mind explaining them?


@froofroo: How is Black government? How about "ambition" for Black?


I couldnt think of one for black, I will happily replace it with ambition
White: Beethoven

Blue: Holst

Black: Strauss (the good parts of black, anyway)

Red: Wagner

Green: Dvorak



I would argue that Beethoven is more red.
I was more thinking of the ninth symphony, honestly.
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