What happened to the prices of booster boxes. Have been out of the game for 2 years.

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I havent had anyone to play with in about 2 years and i recently dug out my cards. The last series i was around for was ROE. When i was playing you could get booster boxes for older sets for about 90 bucks. All but the really old stuff was available and reasonably priced. Now i was thinking of buying a box and holy heck the prices are ridiculous. worldwake for 350 bucks? really?? there was only one card worth a dang in that set and i dont even play blue. I went through the selling list of about all of them like zendikar and there isnt really any singles that are worth too much unless its a foil of something awesome. So could someone fill me in on what happened to make the prices so high across the board on booster boxes. I thought WOTC was still printing some older sets or are they not making anymore after it rotates out of standard play? WHats the deal. I could understand price gouging if there is a very limited amount available. But last time i checked(2 yrs ago) you could get whatever you wanted at about the same price.
If you were getting booster boxes of old sets for $90, then there are only a few explanations.

a) The boxes you bought were from sets don't have a lot of demand.
b) You are confused, as the pre-order price for a booster box is $90.
c) You are lying.

Actually, after rereading your post...I'm not sure.  Quite often, sets go out of print while they're still legal in Standard.  I know Mirrodin Besieged went out of print before Dark Ascension came out, I believe.  Even so, Wizards couldn't just keep printing older sets, as it would completely destroy aftermarket card values.

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Why did you post it here? "Hey, all you guys who play this game! I'm not gonna play it!" "Umm... Ok, dude."
If you were getting booster boxes of old sets for $90, then there are only a few explanations.

a) The boxes you bought were from sets don't have a lot of demand.
b) You are confused, as the pre-order price for a booster box is $90.
c) You are lying.

Actually, after rereading your post...I'm not sure.  Quite often, sets go out of print while they're still legal in Standard.  I know Mirrodin Besieged went out of print before Dark Ascension came out, I believe.  Even so, Wizards couldn't just keep printing older sets, as it would completely destroy aftermarket card values.

I was buying from channelfireball and cardkingdom in 2010. I specifically remember buying lorwyn, zendikar, world wake and rise all at about 90 bucks a box. Some of them were preorder yes. But several of my friends were buying lorwyn block  shards and all that all for less than 100 a box. There was a few exceptions such as mirrodin was a little more but only 20-30 bucks and conflux also. Im not talking about 20-30 buck difference, im just confused why everything except the innistrad and newer expansions are several hundred dollars for a booster box. Does wotc discontinue the series once its out of standard and not print anymore than what is already out? If that is the case then i might can see the price due to demand and limited supply. 
those were not "old sets" back when ROE came out, they were very recent

now WWK and ROE and ZEN is relatively old, and has some chase cards, so of course they will increase the price for the last remaining boxes they have, if they don't sell them they will simply open them and sell the cards for an equal amount
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some places sell cases of booster boxes (4 per case). A number like 350 seems like you were looking at cases. The boxes are still around 100 each.
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If you were getting booster boxes of old sets for $90, then there are only a few explanations.

a) The boxes you bought were from sets don't have a lot of demand.
b) You are confused, as the pre-order price for a booster box is $90.
c) You are lying.


It actually depends on where you go. Generally, I'm not willing to pay more than 90 - 95 dollars for a booster box since that's the price that they normally are. I do at times, but I've never payed more than 109 dollars. 

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some places sell cases of booster boxes (4 per case). A number like 350 seems like you were looking at cases. The boxes are still around 100 each.

Cases are actually 6 boxes

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I guess my question now is where can i find a list of what has been discontinued as far as expansions or is there a preset timeframe they will print an expansion and after that it is no more..what is out there is all you can get?
It's fair to assume that everything before SOM has been discontinued, probably SOM itself as well
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It's fair to assume that everything before SOM has been discontinued, probably SOM itself as well


Yeah fair enough. I was just blown away when i was looking at prices for boosters. I injured my back in 2010 and just before i bought a worldwake box opened it sorted it, then broke my back...didnt play at all since. Didnt even play with any of them. Now i wished i had just left the box sealed! But I did pull a jace mind sculptor out of it and then immediately traded for another a friend had. I hate blue and refuse to play with it but i knew jace would be valuable. SO today i dug out my cards found a legends karakas in mint condition and the two jace in mint never played and am selling them to channelfireball for 221 bucks in store credit given the karakas grades in near mint. Im gonna buy an innistrad booster as i like pretty much the feel of the whole expansion and some older cards i used to have when i was a kid, buying them just for personal collections. Like phyrexian dreadnaught. Useless card compared to new stuff but man i loved that card. I am also buying a few of the cards from newer expansions that just look awesome with my current decks. Hoping my kids will fall in love with mtg and i can have someone to play with at home. Im a closet nerd by trade.
Yeah, a quick check of a few dealers around the internet shows that WW is indeed selling for that much. The premium you pay for the POSSIBILITY of cracking a Jace. Do what I did, find some Mom and Pop shop selling the cards, make friends with them, and buy EVERYTHING there. I got great discounts cause the guy knew that every case he bought, 2 boxes were sold to me day of. I their defense, WotC has just had to raise the price so much because the price of the card stock it's printed on has gone through the roof. But still, some of the prices I see on boxes is nuts. N.V.T.S., nuts.
Unfortunately without finding a small group of friends to play with casually i probably wont be getting back into it too deep. I am going to sell a few cards i have no use for and get a few cards i have been lacking just for a personal collection. It will all more than likely end up in the top of a closet somewhere until maybe one of my kids becomes interested. My oldest is 6 and could be ready for simple games but maybe in a few years he would be ready. Im sure he will take to it, as he absolutely loves games of any type and he already is asking about them. I might try my patience and try to teach him this weekend. At least one day he might get some use out of my cards. Too bad i dont get along with people very well and have no interest in fnm or tournaments because i think i could destroy. Had a friend over today and we played a few games and through no fault of my own i won even when i wasnt trying to. He quit, i guess it isnt fun when you lose every time. I wouldnt know about that, i usually wipe the table.
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Worldwake has a lot of important cards.


Omnath, Locus of Mana, Avenger of Zendikar, Abyssal Persecutor, Basilisk Collar, Eye of Ugin, Dragonmaster Outcast, and Admonition Angel are all EDH or general casual staples.


Joraga Warcaller is an Elves staple.


Kalastria Highborn is a Vampires staple.


Lodestone Golem is a Stax and artifact deck staple.


Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Stoneforge Mystic get heavily played wherever they are legal. They are some of the best cards in Magic.


Then you got the manlands.


It was a very small set too. Had under 40 rares I believe. So your chance of opening anything was quite high.


Then you got the chance of getting really lucky and pulling a Mox or something.

If you were getting booster boxes of old sets for $90, then there are only a few explanations.

a) The boxes you bought were from sets don't have a lot of demand.
b) You are confused, as the pre-order price for a booster box is $90.
c) You are lying.

Actually, after rereading your post...I'm not sure.  Quite often, sets go out of print while they're still legal in Standard.  I know Mirrodin Besieged went out of print before Dark Ascension came out, I believe.  Even so, Wizards couldn't just keep printing older sets, as it would completely destroy aftermarket card values.




I am pretty sure its only recently that older sets have gone up as much as they have.  Most likely due to modern becoming a format and scg tournaments making legacy (I think its legacy) a popular format.  Both those caused a lot of cards to shoot up in value.  Along with the recent popularity of Commander (/edh).  All those things have happened in the last 3 years.  You can look at some of the ____ to power articles and due to those 3 things the cards they had jumped up over night and made it easier to reach the final goals.

I have no doubt that you could of gotten a lot of those boxes for under $100 back then.  Could of probably gotten original Ravnica block boxes for around that too.  Maybe even some older core sets for $50.
zendikar has some vintage cards in random packs, so a box can net you a huge profit if you get one lucky pull.



That was only the first run. Worldwake was worth a lot for some reason.
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Worldwake has a lot of important cards.


Omnath, Locus of Mana, Avenger of Zendikar, Abyssal Persecutor, Basilisk Collar, Eye of Ugin, Dragonmaster Outcast, and Admonition Angel are all EDH or general casual staples.


Joraga Warcaller is an Elves staple.


Kalastria Highborn is a Vampires staple.


Lodestone Golem is a Stax and artifact deck staple.


Jace, the Mind Sculptor and Stoneforge Mystic get heavily played wherever they are legal. They are some of the best cards in Magic.


Then you got the manlands.


It was a very small set too. Had under 40 rares I believe. So your chance of opening anything was quite high.


Then you got the chance of getting really lucky and pulling a Mox or something.




I actually think it's the lack of decent cards that drives the price up. If the set had shocklands, or fetchlands instead of the manlands and a couple of other decent cards to go along with stoneforge mystic and Jace then they would have sold more product and the set would be more widely availible.

I think that vendors didn't want to buy/open worldwake because it was a huge lottery... either you opened a Jace and made money or you didn't open jace and lost money. That is why his price started at 20 but continued to go up because everyone wanted to buy him as a single and no one wanted to crack packs to get him (because everything else in the set was worthless). stoneforge mystic was popular but didn't start to really gain popularity until after squadron hawk hit standard and really 1 mythic and 1 rare will have a hard time carrying a set.

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I actually think it's the lack of decent cards that drives the price up. If the set had shocklands, or fetchlands instead of the manlands and a couple of other decent cards to go along with stoneforge mystic and Jace then they would have sold more product and the set would be more widely availible.

I think that vendors didn't want to buy/open worldwake because it was a huge lottery... either you opened a Jace and made money or you didn't open jace and lost money. That is why his price started at 20 but continued to go up because everyone wanted to buy him as a single and no one wanted to crack packs to get him (because everything else in the set was worthless). stoneforge mystic was popular but didn't start to really gain popularity until after squadron hawk hit standard and really 1 mythic and 1 rare will have a hard time carrying a set.




Quite the contrary. When a booster is worth nothing, they don't inflate the price. They're selling them higher because a lot of people wanted to open them and were willing ot shell out 8$ a pack and still are, not because people don't want to open them. If nobody opened boxes, them nobody would pay a premium to open them, simple as that. 

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Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
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You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
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I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
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How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
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The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
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1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
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One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
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You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
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Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
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Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
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And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
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They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
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Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
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i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
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Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
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If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
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Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
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Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
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But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
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The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
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Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
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I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
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Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
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I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
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Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
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I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
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And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
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Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
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I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
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MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
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You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
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It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
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Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
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Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
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Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
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Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

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All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

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See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".



I actually think it's the lack of decent cards that drives the price up. If the set had shocklands, or fetchlands instead of the manlands and a couple of other decent cards to go along with stoneforge mystic and Jace then they would have sold more product and the set would be more widely availible.

I think that vendors didn't want to buy/open worldwake because it was a huge lottery... either you opened a Jace and made money or you didn't open jace and lost money. That is why his price started at 20 but continued to go up because everyone wanted to buy him as a single and no one wanted to crack packs to get him (because everything else in the set was worthless). stoneforge mystic was popular but didn't start to really gain popularity until after squadron hawk hit standard and really 1 mythic and 1 rare will have a hard time carrying a set.




Quite the contrary. When a booster is worth nothing, they don't inflate the price. They're selling them higher because a lot of people wanted to open them and were willing ot shell out 8$ a pack and still are, not because people don't want to open them. If nobody opened boxes, them nobody would pay a premium to open them, simple as that. 


Exactly.  Worldwake is expensive because there are a lot of good cards in it, and it's a small set, so the liklihood of getting them is greater.  But if its price is , as morticianjohn said, due to the lack of good cards, well then Fallen Empires and Homelands would be much more expensive.

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I actually think it's the lack of decent cards that drives the price up. If the set had shocklands, or fetchlands instead of the manlands and a couple of other decent cards to go along with stoneforge mystic and Jace then they would have sold more product and the set would be more widely availible.

I think that vendors didn't want to buy/open worldwake because it was a huge lottery... either you opened a Jace and made money or you didn't open jace and lost money. That is why his price started at 20 but continued to go up because everyone wanted to buy him as a single and no one wanted to crack packs to get him (because everything else in the set was worthless). stoneforge mystic was popular but didn't start to really gain popularity until after squadron hawk hit standard and really 1 mythic and 1 rare will have a hard time carrying a set.




Quite the contrary. When a booster is worth nothing, they don't inflate the price. They're selling them higher because a lot of people wanted to open them and were willing ot shell out 8$ a pack and still are, not because people don't want to open them. If nobody opened boxes, them nobody would pay a premium to open them, simple as that. 


Exactly.  Worldwake is expensive because there are a lot of good cards in it, and it's a small set, so the liklihood of getting them is greater.  But if its price is , as morticianjohn said, due to the lack of good cards, well then Fallen Empires and Homelands would be much more expensive.





There is only one card selling over 10 dollars on the secondary market. stoneforge mystic is the only card selling at 10, all of the rest rare or mythic are 5 or less. Where are all these valuable, highly sought after cards?
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Um, I actually just bought a box of Return to Ravnicca today for like $120 from my local hobby shop.  Its not necesarily cheap, but its not the price you are mentioning.  Also, the reason World Wake is so expensive is because of Jace, The Mind Sculptor.  That one card drastically raises the price of the set.
There is only one card selling over 10 dollars on the secondary market. stoneforge mystic is the only card selling at 10, all of the rest rare or mythic are 5 or less. Where are all these valuable, highly sought after cards?


So he who warped Standard doesn't count?  Somebody listed several examples earlier in the thread.  Regardless, the notion that a lack of good cards somehow drives up the price of a box...it just doesn't play.

By the way, a foil Jace 2 is worth a cool $300.

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There is only one card selling over 10 dollars on the secondary market. stoneforge mystic is the only card selling at 10, all of the rest rare or mythic are 5 or less. Where are all these valuable, highly sought after cards?


So he who warped Standard doesn't count?  Somebody listed several examples earlier in the thread.  Regardless, the notion that a lack of good cards somehow drives up the price of a box...it just doesn't play.

By the way, a foil Jace 2 is worth a cool $300.



The existence of Jace in addition to the lack of other good cards means the Sealed boxes of worldwake sell for more than sealed boxes of the other products (of similar age). If there were a lot of desirable cards in that set then opening the boxes to try and get Jace singles would have been a fruitful endeavor. More sales would mean more supply which would help to meet the demand which would lower the price of the singles in the set (and booster packs/boxes).

Unfortunately the set is out of print as so many new players are coming into the game. That is the problem with this set and future sight. Each set has one key card that is highly sought after. The demand spike from the influx of new players for those key cards is what is driving the price of those booster boxes.

Shortly after future sight came out you could open packs and sell all tarmogoyf you found and make a profit doing it. Eventually due to supply and demand the price of goyf dropped to levels where this was no longer possible. I didn't see this with jace. The price went up and up over 100 dollars while he was still standard legal, but there wasn't a large portion of players who were ordering boxes and opening packs and selling Jace on Ebay (I'm sure there were some there is always a few) like with future sight. Since worldwake went out of print we've had a bunch of new players who want to get their Jace, the mind sculptor but if worldwake had been more desirable (as an entire set, rather than just the one card) while it was in print then it would have sold more packs.

We can't go back in time and correct the supply issue but really the set (other than jace) was pretty worthless and I think that hurt sales which is one factor that makes it more expensive now than it probably should be.

Anyway it's certainly not because it has a plethora of good cards because there are only 2 cards that are really desirable based on the secondary market. Maybe the value of the rest of the set doesn't make a difference because the demand for Jace is so high which is driving the price down on everything else. Whatever the case it seems there is only one reason worldwake is selling at more than double MSRP now.
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Well after making this post i have been doing alot of catching up on the new additions to the game. I still dont have anyone to casually play with, my only option would be to go to the local FNM but as money is tight i dont have too much extra for hobbies anymore. It is amazing as one mans trash is anothers treasure, I have been saving two copies of jace 2 mint unplayed. I dislike playing with blue, it isnt my style and dont like the win scenarios playing with jace or much of the way blue plays. SO i decided to trade them in to an online store for credit and buy a box of innistrad(i like the entire expansion) and alot of other singles for personal collection. But i have bought alot of other singles from innistrad block to add to and improve my current decks. I am planning on making two commander decks, zombies and a werewolf/human/wolf deck, just because i guess. I really like the new commander format it seems like one of the more fun out there. Just one copy means i can play a diverse deck and dont have to collect a playset of something. I need some nerdy friends to play with though. Those cant be traded for unfortunately. And no i dont really like to play online at all or much on any console. I prefer the old sit down at the kitchen table and laugh and have a good time.
Well after making this post i have been doing alot of catching up on the new additions to the game. I still dont have anyone to casually play with, my only option would be to go to the local FNM but as money is tight i dont have too much extra for hobbies anymore. It is amazing as one mans trash is anothers treasure, I have been saving two copies of jace 2 mint unplayed. I dislike playing with blue, it isnt my style and dont like the win scenarios playing with jace or much of the way blue plays. SO i decided to trade them in to an online store for credit and buy a box of innistrad(i like the entire expansion) and alot of other singles for personal collection. But i have bought alot of other singles from innistrad block to add to and improve my current decks. I am planning on making two commander decks, zombies and a werewolf/human/wolf deck, just because i guess. I really like the new commander format it seems like one of the more fun out there. Just one copy means i can play a diverse deck and dont have to collect a playset of something. I need some nerdy friends to play with though. Those cant be traded for unfortunately. And no i dont really like to play online at all or much on any console. I prefer the old sit down at the kitchen table and laugh and have a good time.




Yeah, I wish everyone could have friends like mine who were willing to facilitate a wonderful play group.
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I prefer the old sit down at the kitchen table and laugh and have a good time.


I enjoy a quick read over the ole iPad 3 whilst enjoying my caramel macchiato every now and again as well. Shame everyone just wants to spend all their time on this "internet" all the time now. I'm 25 and I all ready feel old, I go to play Magic with my friends and they can't get their faces off of a screen. What ever happened to chips and banter?
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