Goblin Electromancer and X Spells

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Can the effect of a Goblin Electromancer (Instant and Sorcery spells you cast cost [1] less to cast) reduce the cost of the X in a spell?

For example, if you have a Goblin Electromancer in play, and cast Blaze, could you pay the [R], and then use the electromancer's effect to 'pay' 1 mana for the X cost, without actually spending any mana?

Also, if the answer is yes, then what about a spell like Consume Spirit, where X must be played with black mana? Can that still benefit from Goblin Electromancer's reduction?
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Can the effect of a Goblin Electromancer (Instant and Sorcery spells you cast cost [1] less to cast) reduce the cost of the X in a spell?

Yes.
For example, if you have a Goblin Electromancer in play, and cast Blaze, could you pay the [R], and then use the electromancer's effect to 'pay' 1 mana for the X cost, without actually spending any mana?

Yes, you can pick 1 for the value of x, and then calculate the spell's total cost to be .
Also, if the answer is yes, then what about a spell like Consume Spirit, where X must be played with black mana? Can that still benefit from Goblin Electromancer's reduction?

Yes, consume spirit can benefit.
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Thanks for your reply.

I apologise; I thought I had posted it in the Rules Q&A thread. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Dear "Rules Advisor" do you remember a card named Heartstone? has the rule changed? 
Dear "Rules Advisor" do you remember a card named Heartstone? has the rule changed? 

don't bump old threats

not sure what Heartstone has to do with anything
if you have a rules question, make a new thread
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Dear "Rules Advisor" do you remember a card named Heartstone? has the rule changed? 

Yes, we remember Heartstone. It still works the way it used to, and Goblin Electromancer works as Cyphern says it does. We'll be glad to answer any questions you may have on this subject, or anything else about Magic. Just ask!

BTW, Cyphern IS a Rules Advisor, certified and all. The "" you used are not justified and, in fact, leaning on the verge of insulting. But perhaps you did not mean it that way?

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i have former experience with the rules advisors not following the english language. as for heartstone/goblin electromancer comparison, my thought is basically what's good for the goose is good for the gander. my inquiry is not a rules question, but an inquiry into the interpretation of the rules that differ
i have former experience with the rules advisors not following the english language. as for heartstone/goblin electromancer comparison, my thought is basically what's good for the goose is good for the gander. my inquiry is not a rules question, but an inquiry into the interpretation of the rules that differ


Interpretations of rules don't differ. If two people disagree on a rule, it means at least one of them is wrong, not that the rules are unclear. Magic's rules are strict and there is always a "correct answer" for rules questions.

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I still don't know what Heartstone has to do with anything
that is for activated abilities, not for spells
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Hi,

So how does Goblin electromancer interact with spells like Streetspasm where there are three seperate X's if you do the overload. Do you get a bonus 1 colorless per X, just 1 coloress period or how does that work? Just wondering about interactions with spells with multiple X's. Thanks in advance. 
Street Spasm
you first choose X, then calculate the cost

let's say you use X=3 and choose to overload
so the alternative cost is =
you substract the Goblin Electromancer
- =
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When determining what and how much to pay, you first calculate the mana cost (or alternative cost), add all additional costs, add all cost increasers, then subtract all cost decreasers. Goblin Electomancer gives you a cost decreasing effect, so you apply it last after all other calculations are done. Your spell will cost less, no matter how many X you had in the calculation.
Hi,

So how does Goblin electromancer interact with spells like Streetspasm where there are three seperate X's if you do the overload. Do you get a bonus 1 colorless per X, just 1 coloress period or how does that work? Just wondering about interactions with spells with multiple X's. Thanks in advance. 

Goblin Electromancer says your spells costs less to pay, it doesn't change the value of X, it offers a discount towards the whole cost you'll have to pay.


So to cast Street Spasm, you first choose if you're going to use the normal cost or the Overload cost, then you choose a value for X, then you calculate the total cost.
If you want a overloaded Street Spasm dealing 4 damage and you have one Goblin Electromancer out, you calculate the total cost as :Xm::Xm::R::R: - = ++:R::R: - = :R::R: and it will deal 4 damage to each creature.

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Wait so overload costs aren't in addition to they are instead of? I understood it to be an additional cost. Thanks for the answer on electromancer though.
Overload is an alternative cost
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Yes, overload is an alternative cost, you pay it instead of the mana cost.
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