You can put pacifism on a hexproof creature with a Titan/Flickerwisp...

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For anyone not following the Aura Servants thread, this is the latest topic of discussion in there.

Apparently with a pacifism in the graveyard, if you call a Sun Titan in and return it, it can be put on a hexproof creature.

I'm not sure how the flickerwisp works yet. I think you need to remove the pacifism with it and when it returns to the battle field you can put it on whatever....

Maybe all of you know this already but my mind has been blown.

I suppose the hexproof creatures are limited in this game to a few decks/matchups but you never know, this knowledge could decide a game at some point and I would be furious if one of my hexproofs were hit with a pacifism and I thought this was illegal.....I can see someone rage quitting--LOL


Anyways, check out the Aura Servants thread/google for more info if you need it...

303.4f If an Aura is entering the battlefield under a player's control by any means other than by resolving as an Aura spell, and the effect putting it onto the battlefield doesn't specify the object or player the Aura will enchant, that player chooses what it will enchant as the Aura enters the battlefield. The player must choose a legal object or player according to the Aura's enchant ability and any other applicable effects.

That's actually a great little trick. I remember you could do the same with Retether with Auramancer in the last game.

Not hugely useful, but nice regardless and could turn the occasional game. Mind Control would be a great choice to switch around.



I didn't even think of that! You can change what creature you have mind controlled if something better comes along right?

Could you put mind control on a hexproof with flickerwisp as well?
I am 99% certain that the white guy that digs enchantments out of your graveyard and puts them on your creatures is coded to allow it on any creature.  I am pretty sure I used him to pacify the computer when unlocking this deck.  
That's actually a great little trick. I remember you could do the same with Retether with Auramancer in the last game.

Not hugely useful, but nice regardless and could turn the occasional game. Mind Control would be a great choice to switch around.



I didn't even think of that! You can change what creature you have mind controlled if something better comes along right?

Could you put mind control on a hexproof with flickerwisp as well?



Yes, that should work. An Aura only targets while it is being cast on the stack. All other times it is never targeting so it gets around hexproof (but not protection).

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I am 99% certain that the white guy that digs enchantments out of your graveyard and puts them on your creatures is coded to allow it on any creature.  I am pretty sure I used him to pacify the computer when unlocking this deck.  



This card? Nomad Mythmaker  ... that would seem to be a bug then according to what the card says....it should only apply to one of your creatures....
probably a case of bad memory - but I must admit I have never attempted to target pacifism with Nomad. Kindda counterintuitive thing to do.

It does allow auras to be attached to creatures with shroud - although afaik there are no shroud creatures in Aura Servants.
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Notice that you quit on me last night on iPad.  The game went on for another 3-4 turns, you might have had a (admittedly slim) chance if you'd stayed.
I am 99% certain that the white guy that digs enchantments out of your graveyard and puts them on your creatures is coded to allow it on any creature.  I am pretty sure I used him to pacify the computer when unlocking this deck.  



This card? Nomad Mythmaker  ... that would seem to be a bug then according to what the card says....it should only apply to one of your creatures....





Yes, the card is bugged. A few people have reported this to be the case.
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@killabkilledb

Notice that you quit on me last night on iPad.  The game went on for another 3-4 turns, you might have had a (admittedly slim) chance if you'd stayed.



Dude, it was beyond turn 10 IIRC... and you had the board completely locked down with a grave pact....greater good and you removed about 10 straight creatures of mine....a good 7 of which were hexproof.....that was perhaps the most FRUSTRATING game I ever played....

You were able to sac you own creatures to kill mine....I made my mind up before the last turn I took....I said to myslef if this hexproof creature dies I'm conceding....and I did....I had no shot....I'm not running aggro...it was aura servants...I was running out of creatures and pretty much top decking....you could kill whatever I put out and draw cards with the greater good....

I was admittedly pretty upset...

Turn 4 consuming vapors and it just went even more downhill from there...
@killabkilledb

Notice that you quit on me last night on iPad.  The game went on for another 3-4 turns, you might have had a (admittedly slim) chance if you'd stayed.



Dude, it was beyond turn 10 IIRC... and you had the board completely locked down with a grave pact....greater good and you removed about 10 straight creatures of mine....a good 7 of which were hexproof.....that was perhaps the most FRUSTRATING game I ever played....

You were able to sac you own creatures to kill mine....I made my mind up before the last turn I took....I said to myslef if this hexproof creature dies I'm conceding....and I did....I had no shot....I'm not running aggro...it was aura servants...I was running out of creatures and pretty much top decking....you could kill whatever I put out and draw cards with the greater good....

I was admittedly pretty upset...

Turn 4 consuming vapors and it just went even more downhill from there...




Ahh, both Greater Good & Grave Pact on the table.  Perrrfect scenario with SS, at least for me! Total control, I like it.

No wonder You left....In fact, I'm suprised You endured (1o turns) that long! Aura Serv doesnt have any enchantment hate in it, does it? 
@killabkilledb

Notice that you quit on me last night on iPad.  The game went on for another 3-4 turns, you might have had a (admittedly slim) chance if you'd stayed.



Dude, it was beyond turn 10 IIRC... and you had the board completely locked down with a grave pact....greater good and you removed about 10 straight creatures of mine....a good 7 of which were hexproof.....that was perhaps the most FRUSTRATING game I ever played....

You were able to sac you own creatures to kill mine....I made my mind up before the last turn I took....I said to myslef if this hexproof creature dies I'm conceding....and I did....I had no shot....I'm not running aggro...it was aura servants...I was running out of creatures and pretty much top decking....you could kill whatever I put out and draw cards with the greater good....

I was admittedly pretty upset...

Turn 4 consuming vapors and it just went even more downhill from there...



Fair enough, dude.  Look forward to playing you again.

If anyone wants to play me i am on xbox under this name and i may rage quit
Should this not be considered a duplicate as well? Seeing how if you read the aura servants thread it's there for all to see.
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Should this not be considered a duplicate as well? Seeing how if you read the aura servants thread it's there for all to see.



I think Killa is trying to prove a point.

Should this not be considered a duplicate as well? Seeing how if you read the aura servants thread it's there for all to see.



I think Killa is trying to prove a point.



What point is that?
Avenger of Zendikar is not game... Got a question as to whether a card without shroud or hexproof is good? Answer is, dies to removal. "Control Slivers"
@killabkilledb

Notice that you quit on me last night on iPad.  The game went on for another 3-4 turns, you might have had a (admittedly slim) chance if you'd stayed.



Dude, it was beyond turn 10 IIRC... and you had the board completely locked down with a grave pact....greater good and you removed about 10 straight creatures of mine....a good 7 of which were hexproof.....that was perhaps the most FRUSTRATING game I ever played....

You were able to sac you own creatures to kill mine....I made my mind up before the last turn I took....I said to myslef if this hexproof creature dies I'm conceding....and I did....I had no shot....I'm not running aggro...it was aura servants...I was running out of creatures and pretty much top decking....you could kill whatever I put out and draw cards with the greater good....

I was admittedly pretty upset...

Turn 4 consuming vapors and it just went even more downhill from there...



Why does it not surprise me that you're a ragequitter...




Conceding a game when its clearly over and all hope is lost is not rage quitting. Its saving time. Its actually a compliment to my opponent who played masterfully and locked the board down. There is honor and sportsmanship in surrendering. People not lacking maturity realize this.
Should this not be considered a duplicate as well? Seeing how if you read the aura servants thread it's there for all to see.



I think Killa is trying to prove a point.



What point is that?



Check your messages, there's no need to post this stuff in the forum publically

Should this not be considered a duplicate as well? Seeing how if you read the aura servants thread it's there for all to see.



I did the forum a service. Not everyone is reading the aura servants thread and this is a more subtle rule that I felt deserved to reach a larger audience. I don't read all the deck building threads. I pop in from time to time but I miss most of it.

Your welcome for helping to contribute to the forum and trying to enrich the knowledge of others.
@droneon

LOL.



@killa


Doesn't make it less of a duplicate.
Avenger of Zendikar is not game... Got a question as to whether a card without shroud or hexproof is good? Answer is, dies to removal. "Control Slivers"
@droneon

LOL.



@killa


Doesn't make it less of a duplicate.



If you have nothing of substance or useful to add to a discussion, you can alays refrain from posting
WHY IS THIS NOT IN THE PEACEKEEPERS AND/OR AURA SERVANTS THREAD?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?
@killabkilledb

Notice that you quit on me last night on iPad.  The game went on for another 3-4 turns, you might have had a (admittedly slim) chance if you'd stayed.



Dude, it was beyond turn 10 IIRC... and you had the board completely locked down with a grave pact....greater good and you removed about 10 straight creatures of mine....a good 7 of which were hexproof.....that was perhaps the most FRUSTRATING game I ever played....

You were able to sac you own creatures to kill mine....I made my mind up before the last turn I took....I said to myslef if this hexproof creature dies I'm conceding....and I did....I had no shot....I'm not running aggro...it was aura servants...I was running out of creatures and pretty much top decking....you could kill whatever I put out and draw cards with the greater good....

I was admittedly pretty upset...

Turn 4 consuming vapors and it just went even more downhill from there...




Ahh, both Greater Good & Grave Pact on the table.  Perrrfect scenario with SS, at least for me! Total control, I like it.

No wonder You left....In fact, I'm suprised You endured (1o turns) that long! Aura Serv doesnt have any enchantment hate in it, does it? 



Dude, it might have been turn 15....it was a bit beyond turn 10 IIRC unless the game just felt like it due to the circumstance.......I couldn't play a creature. He cast and sacced and Elder for 2 land and a free card like three straight turns smashing anything I put on the board. It was terrible. Complete lockdown. I run that combo too so I know how it goes. That and a turn 4 consuming vapors to get the ball rolling, I think I might have even been hit with a mind rot too, board wipe, diabolic edict, go for the throat, I literally got shut down completely.... Its the pure troll build and I run a somewhat identical copy...

No need to yell, dude.

WHY IS THIS NOT IN THE PEACEKEEPERS AND/OR AURA SERVANTS THREAD?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?



to quote myself...

For anyone not following the Aura Servants thread, this is the latest topic of discussion in there.



Not everyone follows all the discussions and it will quickly get buried in there. I thought this was a subtle point and deserved a wider audience.
Haven't you been paying attention to the boards lately? It doesn't matter that you "thought this was a subtle point and deserved a wider audience". Everything belongs in their respective deck threads from now on. If you disobey, well, I'LL TOTALLY TELL ON YOU AND GET THIS THREAD LOCKED DOWN.



We get it, you are against order in the forums and would rather wade through ten pages to find the thread you need. No point in going on about it...


For the record, I couldn't care less about most of these so called duplicates. Do I feel they are justified? No. Do I feel the need to go around pointing them all out? Well, maybe once...

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I really want advice on how to improve magic. I guess I then need to post screencaps of every game I play in the official deck building threads so others can instruct me on what I did right/wrong.
Haven't you been paying attention to the boards lately? It doesn't matter that you "thought this was a subtle point and deserved a wider audience". Everything belongs in their respective deck threads from now on. If you disobey, well, I'LL TOTALLY TELL ON YOU AND GET THIS THREAD LOCKED DOWN.



Well if my 1v1 dlc deck build gets closed I already told Sean through pm I will be calling wizards personally. Every day if I have to. I put a lot of time and effort into that thread and spent a bit of money on multiple systems, dlc, deck unlocks and actual cards. Someone at corporate is going to explain to me why I can't create a new forum on their boards that 1) doesn't violate any rules and has 2) a legitimate purpose in being created.







Going for the cry until you get your way approach? How very likely of you.
Avenger of Zendikar is not game... Got a question as to whether a card without shroud or hexproof is good? Answer is, dies to removal. "Control Slivers"
Also, who are my cronies?


Please send me one of your cronies.  I need him/her to help unlock the rest of my decks.  Thanks, Roos.

Haven't you been paying attention to the boards lately? It doesn't matter that you "thought this was a subtle point and deserved a wider audience". Everything belongs in their respective deck threads from now on. If you disobey, well, I'LL TOTALLY TELL ON YOU AND GET THIS THREAD LOCKED DOWN.



Well if my 1v1 dlc deck build gets closed I already told Sean through pm I will be calling wizards personally. Every day if I have to. I put a lot of time and effort into that thread and spent a bit of money on multiple systems, dlc, deck unlocks and actual cards. Someone at corporate is going to explain to me why I can't create a new forum on their boards that 1) doesn't violate any rules and has 2) a legitimate purpose in being created.







Going for the cry until you get your way approach? How very likely of you.



I am not crying and reporting half the threads here to the mods. That is you and your cronies. Your petty behavior is beneath me.


To be fair if I was in the wrong sean would never have agreed... Also, who are my cronies?



Sean is actually reasonable. When I mesaged him he asked me for a legitimate reason of why my 1v1 thread was created and the content was not posted in Mobius's thread. I gave him several. Hopefully he does the right thing and doesn't cater to a guy intent on following me around the forums in a sad attempt to troll me. You tried sabotaging your own partner's dulicate Official PS3 thread and he didn't mention a word about it, just said, "guys please delete all your posts". Lulz all around.

Real talk:

As the creator of the 1v1 Specialists thread, I find it absolutely ridiculous that Killa, or anyone else for that matter, aren't "allowed" to create their own. If you don't like the way someone writes, or their ideas, simply don't read them. Let's say there was a person who posted terrible decklists and advice. I'd rather this person have his own thread and keep his rantings there than flood the board with such nonsense.

Why people genuinely go out of their way to get threads locked down/merged in an attempt to "clean up the boards so they can find threads more easily" is beyond me. Like the parent deck threads are bastions of orgnaziation or something.

Get real.
Real talk:

As the creator of the 1v1 Specialists thread, I find it absolutely ridiculous that Killa, or anyone else for that matter, aren't "allowed" to create their own. If you don't like the way someone writes, or their ideas, simply don't read them. Let's say there was a person who posted terrible decklists and advice. I'd rather this person have his own thread and keep his rantings there than flood the board with such nonsense.

Why people genuinely go out of their way to get threads locked down/merged in an attempt to "clean up the boards so they can find threads more easily" is beyond me. Like the parent deck threads are bastions of orgnaziation or something.

Get real.




I agree completely.

I thought your discussion was really good on every deck, but I decided to make a DLC version of your thread in the hopes that it helps new users and others looking for quick access to a dlc guide for each deck with some reasoning behind it. Its a convenience for new visitors who don't know where to look here, or have the patience to dig through 300 page discussions to find what they need. If I posted it in your thread it would be buried and the aforementioned people coming here seeking dlc help would not have access to it.

I don't see anything wrong with what I did.


Have I called you out on your trolling Killa? I'm staying out of this, period. You two do whatever the hell you like. I'll keep my own opinions to myself, except the one that I want those posts removed from eagle's thread...which I don't really see happening. Enjoy your fight guys. 
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@killabkilledb

Notice that you quit on me last night on iPad.  The game went on for another 3-4 turns, you might have had a (admittedly slim) chance if you'd stayed.



Dude, it was beyond turn 10 IIRC... and you had the board completely locked down with a grave pact....greater good and you removed about 10 straight creatures of mine....a good 7 of which were hexproof.....that was perhaps the most FRUSTRATING game I ever played....

You were able to sac you own creatures to kill mine....I made my mind up before the last turn I took....I said to myslef if this hexproof creature dies I'm conceding....and I did....I had no shot....I'm not running aggro...it was aura servants...I was running out of creatures and pretty much top decking....you could kill whatever I put out and draw cards with the greater good....

I was admittedly pretty upset...

Turn 4 consuming vapors and it just went even more downhill from there...



Why does it not surprise me that you're a ragequitter...




Conceding a game when its clearly over and all hope is lost is not rage quitting. Its saving time. Its actually a compliment to my opponent who played masterfully and locked the board down. There is honor and sportsmanship in surrendering. People not lacking maturity realize this.




Praise indeed. Ty!


Although, contrary to your other post I dont run any trolls, there was a mind rot, no sweeper, but a whole load of sacrificing with gravepact and greater good, as well as other removal. 

Hopefully you'll have chance to get your revenge soon. 
Doesn't work, not with FlickerWisp and Narcolepsy at least. Tested on PS3 2HG on a Troll Ascetic. 
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Doesn't work, not with FlickerWisp and Narcolepsy at least. Tested on PS3 2HG on a Troll Ascetic. 



I am shocked - shocked I tell you - that Stainless didn't code this properly. 

Doesn't work, not with FlickerWisp and Narcolepsy at least. Tested on PS3 2HG on a Troll Ascetic. 



I am shocked - shocked I tell you - that Stainless didn't code this properly. 



It would have been so awesome had it worked too... The troll was a 10/9 because his partner was using aura too. Instead we had to trade 10 life every turn with life gain. It was the most boring game I've ever played. I hate aura servants so much.
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Doesn't work, not with FlickerWisp and Narcolepsy at least. Tested on PS3 2HG on a Troll Ascetic. 



I am shocked - shocked I tell you - that Stainless didn't code this properly. 



It would have been so awesome had it worked too... The troll was a 10/9 because his partner was using aura too. Instead we had to trade 10 life every turn with life gain. It was the most boring game I've ever played. I hate aura servants so much.



I was having fun in that one actually...though with our two decks there was only one way we could have removed that creature, and it would have taken a few cards. Good times. 

I love Aura Servants so much...

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Sun Titan returning Narcolepsy to the battlefield doesn't work on an opponent's hexproofed creature either (on iPad).

I had to jump through a lot of hoops just to test that out against a live opponent too. (turn 4 discard Narcolepsy due to having too many cards in hand).

I wonder if it's even worth the time to email Stainless to see if they have anyone working there that can actually play Magic above a kitchen table level?
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