Bonfire vs Cloudshift

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If my opponent uses bonfire of the damned and I use cloudshift , does my creature die.
Yes it will.  With bonfire still on the stack you can cloudshift a creature of yours, but it will return to the battlefield as part of the resolution of cloudshift.  After cloudshift finishes resolving the bonefire can then resolve, so the creature that you cloudshifted is on the battlefield and will take damage from the bonfire.

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It would be different if the card said "target creature" instead of "each creature", because the creature that was targetted would no longer exist on resolution. "Each creature", on the hand, doesn't care what creatures existed when the spell was cast.
Cloudshift the way it works to drop targets is unique and almost contradictory to the rules of the game. I used to think couldshift was mainly to get the extra "enter the battlefield" pump off a creature before someone kills it off. I can understand the whole "a creature returning from exile is a fresh copy with no counters and what not" yet when it comes to legendaries it is really hard to convince people that a legendary target comes out of cloudshift while a spell targeting that legendary creature is still on the stack that the spell no longer has a legal target even though the named target is techinically still on the battlefield when it goes to resolve. Boardwipe or global effects is pretty much the only way around the target drop. I still think it is hard to justify the fact of dropping a target when its back on the battlefield before the aggressive spell resolves. Given it does the drop target effect it should cost more to cast imo.
Cloudshift the way it works to drop targets is unique and almost contradictory to the rules of the game. I used to think couldshift was mainly to get the extra "enter the battlefield" pump off a creature before someone kills it off. I can understand the whole "a creature returning from exile is a fresh copy with no counters and what not" yet when it comes to legendaries it is really hard to convince people that a legendary target comes out of cloudshift while a spell targeting that legendary creature is still on the stack that the spell no longer has a legal target even though the named target is techinically still on the battlefield when it goes to resolve. Boardwipe or global effects is pretty much the only way around the target drop. I still think it is hard to justify the fact of dropping a target when its back on the battlefield before the aggressive spell resolves. Given it does the drop target effect it should cost more to cast imo.


Well, you could try to start a discussion in Rules Theory, but it might help to just think of Cloudshift as teleporting the creature just out of the way of your opponent's Lightning Bolt. So a Lightning Bolt/Glacial Ray would miss, but something that hits a really wide area like Pyroclasm would still get it even though it moved.
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I can understand the whole "a creature returning from exile is a fresh copy with no counters and what not" yet when it comes to legendaries it is really hard to convince people that a legendary target comes out of cloudshift while a spell targeting that legendary creature is still on the stack that the spell no longer has a legal target even though the named target is techinically still on the battlefield when it goes to resolve.


Look at the art of Cloudshift. The version of Avacyn on the left is the one you targeted, then one on the right is the one that exists after cloushift resolves. Your lighting bolt passes harmlessly though the cloud-that-looks-like-Avacyn, and the real Avacyn comes down to smite you.

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If my opponent uses bonfire of the damned and I use cloudshift , does my creature die.

I suppose that depends on the value of X and the toughness of the creature Tongue Out

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