Deck ideas for post rotation

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Can I get some help building a deck list? I'm going to states in montana and i don't know what to play. I proxied W/B/R tokens but it doesn't play very well. Any help would be greatly appriciated.
There are lots of possible decks post-rotation.


BG Zombies or BG Rock or BGR or BGW Midrange seems to be popular.

U/x Control (3-5 colour) is also popular, but to varying degrees of success.

Delver will probably be played, again to varying degrees of success (although I haven't seen it played much in testing yet).

GWB Tokens seems to be playable.

GWB Reanimator seems playable.

GW Humans has been quite good for me so far.

BG or BR or BGR Zombies is also a certain sight.

Bant and Naya midrange are also being tried.


So really, it depends on what deck you want to play. 
Jund zombies ftw has my vote all day!! Speed, resilience, reach and removal. Plus all the right colors for sb
My RTR cards will be coming in the mail, so I will probably rock a GW or mono-white humans build the first week or so to combat all the zombies I expect to see.

Elite Inquisitor and Knight of Glory are going to be very good for the first few weeks I'd wager.  Ajani, Caller of the Pride and Silverblade Paladin will also help me hit like a truck, and Champion of the Parish will probably get Unsummoned less than he got Vapor Snagged.
Tokens aren't a bad choice. Nor are decks running Terminus.

(at)MrEnglish22

I took the tokens apart and built jund midrange. Only tested agaisnt zombies and i walked all over them. Not too sure if its the list i want though but i really like jund
I think a rat/cat deck might seriously take off, black cat, sanctuary cat and pack rat all in one meta game, yes plz

the only problem I could see is getting it all to work together.
wut
nvm, bad joke
nvm, bad joke



I thought it was pretty hilarous :-p

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76783093 wrote:
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56945988 wrote:
Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
58331438 wrote:
57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
82423538 wrote:
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82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
Show
to get to the other side
89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
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122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
141434757 wrote:
In Soviet Russia, Sorin opens You
71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
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88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
57150868 wrote:
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
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57033358 wrote:
Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
97820278 wrote:
192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
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77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

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JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

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Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
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Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
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Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
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Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
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Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
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Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
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Week 23 : False Cure
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Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

So, here's what I'm thinking is going to happen:

Zombies (bad guy of the set) >> Jund/Selesnya Midrange >> Solar Flare esque control >> Delver/UW/UR Tempo decks >> Zombies

Just a guess after thinking on it for a bit. Selesnya also includes things like Junk Tokens 

(at)MrEnglish22

well, there won't likely be any solar flare type of control decks.  i think you'll get big tap out UW/r decks or midrange UW/x decks (angel, snaps, etc.).  but there probably won't be any or very many decks running unburial rites.

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Best Pauper Deck in the format, not close:

http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/2974646#comment-49713276

 

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Disagree. Rites is the bees' knees when you bring brack grisel brisel to stop the mob

(at)MrEnglish22

So what do you think about Jund? I'll post my decklist tomorrow so you can see but i think its pretty decent to start out


Grizzlebrand is all well and good, but agaisnt aggro, you bring him back, can you afford to pay the life? Probably not. So then they just kill him and swing through. Agaisnt Aggro, a turn 5 grizzlebran is like a wurmcoil with no tokens. If your opponent can kill it, then you've achieved nothing. Also, if they swing into it, they can often sac the guy you block so you get no lifegain and still kill you. Because the card draw often is a bad option when you play him against an aggro, it means you have a guy they can ignore or remove to keep swinging. And if you're a slower deck trying to renimate stuff, they're going to have sandbagged that removal for him anyway.
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Grizzlebrand is all well and good, but agaisnt aggro, you bring him back, can you afford to pay the life? Probably not. So then they just kill him and swing through. Agaisnt Aggro, a turn 5 grizzlebran is like a wurmcoil with no tokens. If your opponent can kill it, then you've achieved nothing. Also, if they swing into it, they can often sac the guy you block so you get no lifegain and still kill you. Because the card draw often is a bad option when you play him against an aggro, it means you have a guy they can ignore or remove to keep swinging. And if you're a slower deck trying to renimate stuff, they're going to have sandbagged that removal for him anyway.



Against aggro, would you ever WANT to use the ability? Its a 7/7 lifelink. We can all play in the realm of what-if, but how much room will Zombies have for a bunch of removal spells? I'm confident that Rites into dude (optimally Grisel, but there are other options) will be the gamewinner of choice for control decks in the future.

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Zombies just reaches out and kills Griselbrand.

Not with Abrupt Decay they won't. Tragic Slip can work, but it means you better be in BR zombies... which will also give you Dreadbore. BG zombies will have a way harder time dealing with Griselbrand if they're not set up to just swing past by that point.

Jman, go check the Reanimator thread. 

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the aristocrat doesn't seem that great here

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Zombies just reaches out and kills Griselbrand.

Not with Abrupt Decay they won't. Tragic Slip can work, but it means you better be in BR zombies... which will also give you Dreadbore. BG zombies will have a way harder time dealing with Griselbrand if they're not set up to just swing past by that point.

Jman, go check the Reanimator thread. 



I'm more concerned with Grisel Bees PAYING THE ULTIMATE PRICE. And yes, I intend to capitalize that everywhere I use it.

Why do I have to go looooooook? Thats effort. /sigh 

the aristocrat doesn't seem that great anywhere


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Zombies just reaches out and kills Griselbrand.

Not with Abrupt Decay they won't. Tragic Slip can work, but it means you better be in BR zombies... which will also give you Dreadbore. BG zombies will have a way harder time dealing with Griselbrand if they're not set up to just swing past by that point.

Jman, go check the Reanimator thread. 




Jund zombies has access to both. Current list I'm on has 3 dreadbore and 3 slips, as well as decays etc.

Also, the correct target to use is the angel, makes grizzlebran look like crap.
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Angel is only the correct reanimation creature once zombies has 3 creatures in play. It's very very awkward against them since if I just bump your lol troll and diregrafs all I get back is a big troll. It could be feeding gravecrawlers to the lol troll, or if I bounce messengers its an even bigger beating. All bad.

I'd rather Griselbrand and make you show me Dreadbore or I take the game away. No dreadbore and no quick sac outlet to trigger Tragic Slip means you're stuck.

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This may be stupid of me...but has anyone tried using vile rebirth vs reanimation? 1 black instant card that bones you and nets you a 2/2 body to feed aristocrat or whatever? Simple tech
This may be stupid of me...but has anyone tried using vile rebirth vs reanimation? 1 black instant card that bones you and nets you a 2/2 body to feed aristocrat or whatever? Simple tech



My Girlfriend is using them in her sideboard in B/R zombies right now... so i think its pretty good against that matchup but its probably better in my meta since there is at least 2 solarflare decks and another reanimator type deck.

I could see it becoming popular if reanimator becomes a deck in the upcoming format though  
This may be stupid of me...but has anyone tried using vile rebirth vs reanimation? 1 black instant card that bones you and nets you a 2/2 body to feed aristocrat or whatever? Simple tech



Yeah, got them in the board, along with some crypts and appetite for brains. Turns out reanimtor is very easy to beat
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Appetite is so clutch. Sigarda is hard to deal with unless my aristocrat has gotten lots of help. Also like that it grabs resto and thraggy
Apetite hits a lot of good stuff. Its a good card.


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I also like Cremate for the mirror match in Post Rotation Zombies. Running Cremate nets you a block for undying and a card. So It's really a choice you could easily shutdown their Graveyard for Undying triggers without placing an artifact on the field, it's just up to you on the balance of Rebirth vs Cremate (I like cremate better due to the fact that i get a possible kill spell where a 2/2 zombie might not be effective at the time.)
I was very close to insulting you for suggesting us to play the worst LD spell ever. Then I realized that its Craterize, not Cremate.

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Hmm a good point. May just try it as a split. Prob. 3/1? If your opponent is relying on reanimation, he prob doesn't have many blockers. A 2/2 body is great. But cremate hits spells too and replaces itself. I feel like I want the body vs reanimation and cremate vs controlish type decks for more CA.
Cremate will generally be better, methinks. It can hit Lingering Souls to keep the clock going or hit Unburial Rites to keep them from having a lucky turn and keep the game more on your terms.
Also lets you dig for better threats than a 2/2 

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What about grixis?

It has removal, counters, some pretty great utility, and big fat dudes who have tons of value like Niv, Griselbrand, Nicol Bolas, etc.

It just seems so SO slow though.  Zombies would be rough, not sure how you'd survive into the late game.  Other matchups would maybe be ok...

Any chance for grixis?  I've been testing a G/W/b ramp deck a lot that's super, but it's just not my sort of playstyle......

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Grixis will be fine. As long as you don't face Zombies. Which will be an issue until someone finds a soild, reliable, counter to Zombies.

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according to SCG writers, augur of bolas + pillar of flame is a good start for grixis to fight zombies

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Dissipate, Syncopate, Pillar of Flame, and Annihilating Fire are all good exilers.  With Bonfire of the Damned, Magmaquake, and more aboard, Grixis has plenty of tools to control things until those 6+ CMC bombs start coming out to clean up.

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Going Grixis.  The end of the curve just has so many powerful (and great) finishers.  I think Gilded Lotus should go in, but I don't know how many.  Turn 6 going Niv plus counter mana up is big.

So is turn 6 Griselbrand or Nicol Bolas. 

rough idea would probably include pillars, izzet charms, syncopates, dissipates, dreadbores, perhaps essence scatter, and maybe a few blustersqualls...then blow them out with Niv or griselbrand.  Nicol Bolas would be another bomb to diversify threats.  And of course, bonfire.

It all sounds pretty sweet.  I also really like augur for zombies, BF.     

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Going Grixis.  The end of the curve just has so many powerful (and great) finishers.  I think Gilded Lotus should go in, but I don't know how many.  Turn 6 going Niv plus counter mana up is big.

So is turn 6 Griselbrand or Nicol Bolas. 

rough idea would probably include pillars, izzet charms, syncopates, dissipates, dreadbores, perhaps essence scatter, and maybe a few blustersqualls...then blow them out with Niv or griselbrand.  Nicol Bolas would be another bomb to diversify threats.  And of course, bonfire.

It all sounds pretty sweet.  I also really like augur for zombies, BF.     


Wow, you just described the deck my friend used last night at FNM, and went 4-1: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/izzet-beginning-...

Have a look, it was as sweet as you imagine!

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Going Grixis.  The end of the curve just has so many powerful (and great) finishers.  I think Gilded Lotus should go in, but I don't know how many.  Turn 6 going Niv plus counter mana up is big.

So is turn 6 Griselbrand or Nicol Bolas. 

rough idea would probably include pillars, izzet charms, syncopates, dissipates, dreadbores, perhaps essence scatter, and maybe a few blustersqualls...then blow them out with Niv or griselbrand.  Nicol Bolas would be another bomb to diversify threats.  And of course, bonfire.

It all sounds pretty sweet.  I also really like augur for zombies, BF.     


Wow, you just described the deck my friend used last night at FNM, and went 4-1: tappedout.net/mtg-decks/izzet-beginning-...

Have a look, it was as sweet as you imagine!




pretty awesome list!  Lots of powerful cards in those colors.  Almost exactly what I had in mind.

Plus, pillar of flame and sever the bloodline, augur of bolas are all great cards against zombies. 

I'm sort of psyched.      

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