Ye Olde Over/Underrated Thread: Return to Ravnica Edition

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It's a grand tradition. Chime in with your opinions. Feel free with general conversation on archetypes as well, but I like to hear what people think not so much on cards, but current popular opinion.

Note: Be prepared for "I told ya so"s should they happen later down the road ...I'm sure you'll dish out a few as well.

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Overrated: Return to Ravnica

Underrated: Pokemon TCG
The mythics:

I try to keep in mind that "price" doesn't really say this is overrated. There is a good casual crowd ready to jump in early on favorites and they want to play Vraska week 2 of the new standard. That said, price is a determinate as to the market draw of specific cards. I'm going to just run down a few cards and mention how they are talked about in "my meta" and yours may differ. I try to keep in mind what is being said online as well.

The cards that I think are maybe underated or perhaps right on the mark?

Armada Wurm -I mention this because its got a $12 price tag and I think compared to the draw of other mythic cards. This one is underpriced comparatively. This thing is probably better than Broodmate and we saw how much play it saw.

Sphinx's Revelation -It's got like a $5 price tag and honestly it is more playable than Mythics drawing 3 times the amount out of novelty. I think right now WUR and WUG look to be good tap out control options.

Jace, Architect of Thought -Ok, now I don't think Jace is worth the circa $25 price tag he is seeing, but he is far more playable than Vraska who is seeing upwards to $40. Jace will see some play I believe, but his price should be kept to those on the fringe playing him. Basically, if people want to do straight trades for Jace and Vraska. I know which side of the deal I hope to be on.

The cards that I think maybe overrated or perhaps off the mark?

Rakdos's Return -While I know playing proactively is preferrable to reactively (like the S Revelation up there,) this card will need a heavy sorcery speed situational investment. To matter in most games. I expect a speedy aggressive meta and cards like Armada and Revelation above "stabilize" in a way that Rakdos can't. Decks like the heavily expected to be played zombies shrug this off and they can play much more proactively than you in the mid-rangey control archetype. Also, Revelation (instant) and Return (sorcery) its makes all the difference in the world.

Rakdos, Lord of Riots - Believe me I don't want to be picking on Rakdos or his return. The card is good, but I just don't think he'll find a home. He's soo mid-rangey and that isn't where you want to be in a speedy meta. Control usually can't eek in the damage to get him out and aggro would rather speed out damage with something like Hellrider or Falkenrath.

Several of the other cards, I think are fine. Angel of Serenity is certainly good. Niv I'm a bit undecided on. So that is my 2 cents on mythics.

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Everything Rakno related is over rated.

There is only 3 good cards in Raknos; the charm, the uncounterable, and the 2/2 unleash for 3 w/ first strike. Everything else is complete junk!!

Seem like izzit is a little over-hyped. So I'd call them, over rated.
And Selesnya is over hyped.
Populate isn't as good as some would like to think. But it will have it's aplications, like on armada warm.

only guilds that I think are living up to their hype is golgari, and Azorus.
I believe we'll probably see alot of control verients with azorus cards. 
Everything Rakno related is over rated.

There is only 3 good cards in Raknos; the charm, the uncounterable, and the 2/2 unleash for 3 w/ first strike. Everything else is complete junk!!

Seem like izzit is a little over-hyped. So I'd call them, over rated.
And Selesnya is over hyped.
Populate isn't as good as some would like to think. But it will have it's aplications, like on armada warm.

only guilds that I think are living up to their hype is golgari, and Azorus.
I believe we'll probably see alot of control verients with azorus cards. 



So you're saying Dreadbore is complete junk? I'm just going to say that is wrong and move along.

As for underrated and overrated, I think Sphinx's Revelation and Trostani are underrated. Loxodon Smiter might be a little overrated right now.
If any card keeps RDW afloat it would be Ash Zealot, but I don't know if that's enough. I think it's underrated though. Double red hurts, but it's a very solid card.
Don't really see how Rakdos is overrated if all of their cards are bad but whatever, I'm dumb. 
Rakdos Cackler is pretty good
im primarily meh with the set, theres some good overload commons and uncommons, theres also some good golgari, but other than that, meh.
From my usual casual multiplayer point-of-view...

Underrated: Detain
Overrated: Scavenge

I'm kind of on the fence with Scavenge - I can see its uses in 1vs1 play, but in Multiplayer, it's likely just going to be a one-shot that removes the ability to recurse something of value. You likely need an enabler or two to make it worthwhile (hello there, Corpsejack Menace).
Unleash will likely stink in MP, but we know what it's there for (aggro 1vs1 play).
Populate will have its uses, but will probably need a specialized deck to shine.
Overload is the stone cold nuts in MP, but that's fairly obvious.
Detain is going to be one of those sneaky-good abilities in MP... it looks horribly boring and controlling on the surface, but it will win games.
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Watch The Little Birdies! (Bird Tribal with Proliferate)
Kavu Kavu Kavu Banana (Kavu Predator aggro)
Faerie Bleeder (The "Death By A Thousand Cuts" Faerie deck)
Braaiiins! (Mono-black Zombie control)
Verhexterring (Jinxed Ring / Grave Pact)
Flourishing Blowflies ( -1/-1 Counters)
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92827575 wrote:
57092228 wrote:
What's wrong with my formating?
you make paragraphs shorter than the page width
58280978 wrote:
Names that sam said were "the evil ones":
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I could watch that all day.
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Budget Duals and Fetches in Multiplayer
CadaverousBl00m's Guide To Multiplayer Artifice
Multiplayer Tribal Format

~ Latest Multiplayer Ramblings: Appearing on my blog when I feel like it ~
Kitchen Table Pricewatch: Rise of the Eldrazi Post-Rotation
Kitchen Table Pricewatch: Worldwake Post-Rotation
Kitchen Table Pricewatch: Zendikar Post-Rotation
Previous Multiplayer Concoctions
Elemental, My Dear Watson (Rainbow Elementals)
Watch The Little Birdies! (Bird Tribal with Proliferate)
Kavu Kavu Kavu Banana (Kavu Predator aggro)
Faerie Bleeder (The "Death By A Thousand Cuts" Faerie deck)
Braaiiins! (Mono-black Zombie control)
Verhexterring (Jinxed Ring / Grave Pact)
Flourishing Blowflies ( -1/-1 Counters)
Overrated

Mizzium Mortars

Underrated
Mizzium Mortars


Lul

I think Dreadbore is overrated, and Pack Rat is underrated.

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I think Lotleth Troll is overrated for eternal formats.
He might be really strong in Standart but nothing thaaat special in Legacy or even Vintage.

Dreadbore is not worth splashing for me here, too. But I might still lethally underestimate planeswalkers - I haven't lost to anyone but Tezz yet.
Their introduction was the most "newfangled overrated toy" moment for me, since I started playing again end of last year. (stopped playing during the old ravnica block) Don't hurt me! >.<

I like Faerie Imposter though and think she deserves more spotlight. (not OMG STAPLE! but much fun)
Lul

You could say his opinions are... volatile.

Underrated

Rogue's Passage
Grove of the Guardian
Stonefare Crocodile
Growing Ranks
Rakdos

Overrated

Vraska the Unseen
Deathrite Shaman
Chromatic Lantern
Rakdos' Return
Golgari


There's a context to each of these (limited, cash value, tournament play) obviously.
Off the top of my head;

Overrated:
Vraska. She is alright but people will jam her in decks she sucks in a lot at first.

Underrated:
The new Jace is VERY strong.
Deathrite Shaman.
Syncopate
Blustersquall is absurdly good in limited.
Underworld Connections.
Nivmagus Elemental (the one that gets 2 +1/+1 counters for exiling your own spells)

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192884403 wrote:
surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?

Overrated
Phantom General
Syncopate
Ultimate Price
Underworld Connections
Ash Zealot
Guttersnipe
Mizzium Mortars
Lotleth Troll
Vraska the Unseen
Rakdos Cackler
Slitherhead


Underrated
Search the City
Mizzium Mortars
Armada Wurm
Dreg Mangler
Grizzly Salvage
Rakdos, Lord of Riots
Selesnya Charm
Deathrite Shaman
Keyrunes




Snipe's gonna tear up standard with his friends Snap and Delver for the next year. He's one of the best, if not the best Uncommon in the set. And I agree with you on Vraska, Timmys are getting caught up in the insta-win swing of things and are shelling out for a playset, I think it'll go the same way Yeva did.
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I wish there was a limited version of this thread, so we could discuss pre-release too.

Right now I see Lotleth Troll as good, but overrated, and Desecration Demon as underrated; it's a great card that hasn't seen as much discussion as it should.

As a side note, how are the selesnya charm and armada worm underrated? They're in every viable WG post-rotation deck I've seen. The good mid-range ones at least.

I found Carmen Sandiego before you were born unless you're Zlehtnoba.

Underrated
Civic Saber, Treasured Find, Cyclonic Rift, Sphinx of the Chimes, Necropolis Regent, Deadbridge Goliath, Izzet Staticaster, Mercurial Chemister, Pack Rat, Ash Zealot
Overrated      
Loxodon Smiter, Rakdos's Return, Vraska the Unseen, Rakdos Shred Freak, Dreadbore 

"This list much made Niche barf a lil' in his mouth, so I can be proud of that." -rstnme

Overrated : Jace, definitively. People are seeing something I can't read, probably a fourth ability in the lines of "0 : Brainstorm", because his first is useless, you'll never get to his ultimate and his second, while being good, will only activate once or maybe twice and give you very few CA.

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76783093 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
58331438 wrote:
56945988 wrote:
Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
58331438 wrote:
57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
82423538 wrote:
57471038 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
Show
to get to the other side
89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
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122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
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71235715 wrote:
L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
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88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
57150868 wrote:
GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
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Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
97820278 wrote:
192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
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77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
196239043 wrote:
Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

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JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

Pack Rat is way underrated, the card takes over games all by itself. 

I think Draft is the best format in Magic.

I strive to be critical, rational and openminded.

Overrated.
Angel of Serenity
Cyclonic Rift
Jace
Desecration Demon
Underworld Connections
Ash Zealot
Rakdos Himself
Rakdos's Return
Slaughter Games
Vraska
Deathrite Shaman

Underrated.
Catacomb Slug
Selesnya Charm
Centaur Healer
Loxodon Smiter
Trostani
Golgari Charm

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I think populate in general is underrated. The presence of it on so many cards and its potential to get hugely significant creatures, sometimes at instant speed, for little mana/card investment could be huge. The main point against it is the lack of reliable token generation, but I think that has been largely covered. Even something like getting a flashy vigilant 2/2 out of a Naturalize is pretty absurd.

Also Goblin Electromancer is underrated, probably getting bad vibes from Arcane Melee and its overcosted, potentially hazardous ilk. My favorite card of this set.
Standard Pauper! (play it on MTGO)
Don't really see how Rakdos is overrated if all of their cards are bad but whatever, I'm dumb. 



Rakdos himself is pretty cool.

But most Rakdos cards are bad. Really bad.
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Lul


Intentional



dat wurm 
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92827575 wrote:
57092228 wrote:
What's wrong with my formating?
you make paragraphs shorter than the page width
58280978 wrote:
Names that sam said were "the evil ones":
iamajellydonut glwiley kreewlin and every WizO
Basically the underrated card of the whole set is Goblin Electromancer. One of the first cards revealed from the set and there was little to no clamoring for the poor gob.

Fortunately, he is common, and he and Guttersnipe pretty much make up my Izzet deck.
Basically the underrated card of the whole set is Goblin Electromancer. One of the first cards revealed from the set and there was little to no clamoring for the poor gob.

Fortunately, he is common, and he and Guttersnipe pretty much make up my Izzet deck.


What does Goblin Electromancer actually do that is so good?
lel♯ jenk♯ ∞


I'm the world's leading astrophysicist. You can trust me, because I said I was.
92827575 wrote:
57092228 wrote:
What's wrong with my formating?
you make paragraphs shorter than the page width
58280978 wrote:
Names that sam said were "the evil ones":
iamajellydonut glwiley kreewlin and every WizO
Basically the underrated card of the whole set is Goblin Electromancer. One of the first cards revealed from the set and there was little to no clamoring for the poor gob.

Fortunately, he is common, and he and Guttersnipe pretty much make up my Izzet deck.


What does Goblin Electromancer actually do that is so good?


Turns Cancel into Counterspell, Searing Spear -> Lightning Bolt, makes Syncopate really good, is a bear, can trade with delver, GoST,  should the situation arise. That kinda stuff. But being underrated doesn't mean this lil gobbo is game breaking. 
Standard Pauper! (play it on MTGO)
Over: Detention Sphere. @ rare we will see some crazy interactions with the uncommon but favorible O-Ring.


Under: Rakdos. I'm not a Rakdos guild fan but their guild leader has a lot of potential, as long as you have the 2 of each color to cast him on 4th turn. Remember Bump in the Night decks are a thing. Cards like Vexing Devil that haven't seen much play... might find a home here.

Seriously, @ a FNM I played against a really solid bump/devil deck. They almost had me if it hadn't been for that Mana Leak   
Basically the underrated card of the whole set is Goblin Electromancer. One of the first cards revealed from the set and there was little to no clamoring for the poor gob.

Fortunately, he is common, and he and Guttersnipe pretty much make up my Izzet deck.


What does Goblin Electromancer actually do that is so good?


Turns Cancel into Counterspell, Searing Spear -> Lightning Bolt, makes Syncopate really good, is a bear, can trade with delver, GoST,  should the situation arise. That kinda stuff. But being underrated doesn't mean this lil gobbo is game breaking. 



Looking into RtR, it also turns Mizzium Mortars into Flame Slash + Overload and Cyclonic Rift into Disperse at the cost of Unsummon with overload. It gives Counterflux and Electrickery free overload costs.

It also makes Dissipate into a better Counterspell and Negate and Essence Scatter become solid, useful counterspells for .

It turns Think Twice into Divination at instant speed and two spells (netting double damage and/or double drakes from Guttersnipe/Talrand) meaning you can spread it out over two turns to conserve mana and it's more resistant to counterspells.


Those are the useful ones off of the top of my head anywho.
Underrated:

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Snapcaster Mage is the best card of all time. How do you deal?

Overrated : Jace, definitively. People are seeing something I can't read, probably a fourth ability in the lines of "0 : Brainstorm", because his first is useless, you'll never get to his ultimate and his second, while being good, will only activate once or maybe twice and give you very few CA.


You are very wrong. His +1 is actually quite decent. Have you played T4 Jace into T5 Tamiyo? I have, and it's so good.

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surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
Have you played T4 Jace into T5 Tamiyo? I have, and it's so good.


That sounds awful.
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92827575 wrote:
57092228 wrote:
What's wrong with my formating?
you make paragraphs shorter than the page width
58280978 wrote:
Names that sam said were "the evil ones":
iamajellydonut glwiley kreewlin and every WizO
Have you played T4 Jace into T5 Tamiyo? I have, and it's so good.


That sounds awful.


We'll see ;)

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192884403 wrote:
surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
We'll see ;)


Let me be more frank...

That's ****ing awful. 
lel♯ jenk♯ ∞


I'm the world's leading astrophysicist. You can trust me, because I said I was.
92827575 wrote:
57092228 wrote:
What's wrong with my formating?
you make paragraphs shorter than the page width
58280978 wrote:
Names that sam said were "the evil ones":
iamajellydonut glwiley kreewlin and every WizO
Overrated : Jace, definitively. People are seeing something I can't read, probably a fourth ability in the lines of "0 : Brainstorm", because his first is useless, you'll never get to his ultimate and his second, while being good, will only activate once or maybe twice and give you very few CA.


You are very wrong. His +1 is actually quite decent. Have you played T4 Jace into T5 Tamiyo? I have, and it's so good.




So you've somehow gone into the future and played Jace, the Architect of Lame with Tamiyo? Either that or you're talking JtMS>Tamiyo, because that's a different story. JtMS is actually kinda good, or something. This is easily the worst Jace; his +1 is really not that good, but passable; better than Ajani Goldmane's +1 . His -2 is a weaker and not instant speed fact or fiction. And you won't get to his -8 unless your opponent is really bad or you have Gilder Bairn. In MP, where his ultimate would be the best, unless you have some massive control going on, it will never go off. Even in terms of planeswalkers this isn't good.

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Overrated : Jace, definitively. People are seeing something I can't read, probably a fourth ability in the lines of "0 : Brainstorm", because his first is useless, you'll never get to his ultimate and his second, while being good, will only activate once or maybe twice and give you very few CA.


You are very wrong. His +1 is actually quite decent. Have you played T4 Jace into T5 Tamiyo? I have, and it's so good.




So you've somehow gone into the future and played Jace, the Architect of Lame with Tamiyo? Either that or you're talking JtMS>Tamiyo, because that's a different story. JtMS is actually kinda good, or something. This is easily the worst Jace; his +1 is really not that good, but passable; better than Ajani Goldmane's +1 . His -2 is a weaker and not instant speed fact or fiction. And you won't get to his -8 unless your opponent is really bad or you have Gilder Bairn. In MP, where his ultimate would be the best, unless you have some massive control going on, it will never go off. Even in terms of planeswalkers this isn't good.




You can playtest decks without owning actual cards. All it takes is a marker, a stack of Homelands/Fallen Empires, and a little imagination.

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I think both Rakdos's Return and Dreadbore are overrated. But maybe I'm just bad at Magic.


You probably are bad at Magic but yeah, Rakdos's return isn't good. 
I think both Rakdos's Return and Dreadbore are overrated. But maybe I'm just bad at Magic.


You probably are bad at Magic but yeah, Rakdos's return isn't good. 



Quoting for luls because it was my exact thought (in a loving sarcastic way).

Dreadbore is the real deal.  I still don't see the appeal of Rakdos's Return though, at least in standard.

When that card was first spoiled I was like man, I'll probably pull plenty of this mythic since it'll be like $1.  Then I saw the presale prices and I was dumbfounded.  Now I hope I do pull a bunch of them so I can just sell them immediately.  At best it's a SB card against control builds, which are hardly going to be a huge factor in the first few weeks of the set where we're sure to have 8 flavors of aggro.

I'll probably do Amiracles though but that's beside the point...
You probably are bad at Magic but yeah, Rakdos's return isn't good. 


And was never speculated to be good.
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92827575 wrote:
57092228 wrote:
What's wrong with my formating?
you make paragraphs shorter than the page width
58280978 wrote:
Names that sam said were "the evil ones":
iamajellydonut glwiley kreewlin and every WizO