Tools for stopping turn 1 combos.

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Considering how long magic has existed, it's amazing how much people rely on force of will alone to stop 1st turn combo-decks from winning. After all you have no guarantee of getting them in game 2 with force AND daze!


It's also incredible how many cards there actually are, that are capeable of stopping or stalling those turn 1 combo's.

My own current favorite is chancellor of the spires + surgical extraction, which has a lower chance of success on getting in your hand, but does it's job well enough.

mindbreaker trap is too reliant on opponents casting many spells, and can be stopped itself if opponent has stuff like pact of negation.

There has to be others out there who uses weird cards to stop turn 1 combo's, so why not share arsenals with each other


leyline of anticipation + moxes, petals and 1cc counterspells.

chancellor of the annex stopping their 1st spell.

spiritguides + manamorphose + 1-2 cc counterspells.

noxious revival and surgical extraction against reanimator, dredge and other combo.                    
Considering how long magic has existed, it's amazing how much people rely on force of will alone to stop 1st turn combo-decks from winning.



perhaps it's because every other option is unplayable
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There's nix.
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Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
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You just... Vektor it.
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I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
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It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
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There is also mindbreak trap..
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There's nix.
What? Poor card wants to be mentioned, at least once.


so to counter 0
2 life to counter 1
and to counter 2? 
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Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
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PURPLE_SHRIMP:

You really believe ALL of them are unplayable?

I can tell you that I have had a lot of games against combo where chancellor of spires + surgical extraction has stopped their decks.

surgical extraction can even be used alone for that purpose if you know the decktype your opponent plays and play it at a lucky time!

chancellor of the spires goes well with force of will and chrome mox because you don't need it after the first initial turn and can just use it to further the goal of other cards as well.

No, I rather think people forget about stuff they don't see in use every day because it's easier to netdeck than think for themselves!

VEKTOR480:
Nix is not a bad card for something like this!

BLOODARTIST:
I mentioned mindbreak trap in my textual line 6

DR_DEMENTO:
2 life to counter 1. Is mental misstep legal in vintage? It isn't in legacy

Continuing the list:

[c]Chancellor of the annex[/c]
[c]Chancellor of the spires[/c]
[c]Force of will[/c]
[c]Leyline of anticipation[/c]
[c]Leyline of the void[/c]
[c]Leyline of sanctity[/c]

PS: What was that autocarding again?
Force of Will isn't reliable enough, so we construct turn 1 combos so that we can get lucky and get a combo if the opponent is lucky and gets a godhand, even if the cards themselves are terrible outside of this purpose?

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MOWN:

You know the odds of winning without force of will on the hand?

You know the chance of getting force of will in your openinghand?

Sure, just stay with what you consider safest!



But if you really want to know what to do, take something that might work, then increase it's potential! Work with the cards, because almost all cards are horrible in themselves.

magic's full of examples.

kobolds of kher keep
phyrexian dreadnought
tendrils of agony

It's not the single cards, it's the whole of it.
Misdirection works against certain combos.
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Why did you post it here? "Hey, all you guys who play this game! I'm not gonna play it!" "Umm... Ok, dude."
MOWN:

You know the odds of winning without force of will on the hand?


Do you know the odds of a competitive deck winning on turn 1?

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You really believe ALL of them are unplayable?



actually I looked over your post again and at the end you mentioned using surgical extraction vs reanimator and dredge, which is reasonable if you discount the noxious revival suggestion
the rest you mentioned are unplayable, yes  

I can tell you that I have had a lot of games against combo where chancellor of spires + surgical extraction has stopped their decks.


how many have you had where you milled them for 7, cast surgical, and then ended up helping them anyway by milling your opponent in a format full of decks that use the graveyard as a resource?
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Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.
I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.
I know.
MOWN:

You know the odds of winning without force of will on the hand?


Do you know the odds of a competitive deck winning on turn 1?


yeah, all legacy decks win turn 1. can't believe you didn't know that.  

yeah, all legacy decks win turn 1. can't believe you didn't know that.  


Right, I forgot that format was just broken combo decks.

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MOWN/SHADOCHU:

Nice of you two to notice that the titel sort of implicates that this is about stopping turn 1 combo, and not all sorts of other situations!

PURPLE_SHRIMP:

The chancellor of the spires is sort of random in it's effect, and sometimes it helps opponents by adding to their graveyards, other times it locks an opponent down, for example yesterday at a tourney, I just hit all the equipments that some dude using stoneforger mystic had in his deck.

I'ts why I play surgical extraction and extirpate in the deck, to rid the stuff they NEED in their deck.
And just in case, noxious revival can get it back on top of the deck if it really annoys me.

And I have fun with ensnaring bridge when all their arti-hate has been exiled.

IHSS:
I completely forgot about misdirection

In the same genre I have experimented with foil, which is really horrible and abusive, and I've tried out commandeer once or twice, but tend to think it will fit the best inside a deck with perhaps 10-12 lands and lot's of blue spells and delver of secrets and similar for the kill.
Too bad that any deck that's built to do a turn 1 kill also run 4 of Guttural response and/or 4 of pact of negation
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MOWN/SHADOCHU:

Nice of you two to notice that the titel sort of implicates that this is about stopping turn 1 combo, and not all sorts of other situations!


My point is that they're not nearly relevant enough to severely weaken your deck for.

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Angel's Grace will save you from Pact + Hive Mind type combos, storm, or combos designed to burn you out with one spell. It's less useful against mill or attacking creatures which just delays your death for a turn. It's got the benefit of split second as well, nullifying an opponent's Pact of Negation or Force of Will to protect their combo.
Believe it or not, there aren't many turn zero or turn one combos that are reliable/playable. Often it won't happen and if it does, the deck isn't playable in real competition.

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How;s a 2 drop 1/2, Flying broken? What am I missing?
You're missing it because *turns Storm Crows sideways* all your base are belong to Chuck Norris and every other overused meme ever.

PURPLE_SHRIMP:

The chancellor of the spires is sort of random in it's effect, and sometimes it helps opponents by adding to their graveyards, other times it locks an opponent down, for example yesterday at a tourney, I just hit all the equipments that some dude using stoneforger mystic had in his deck.



what was the deck? i can almost guarantee that the probability of milling all the equipments in someone's deck is far smaller than that of milling at least one card that works well in the graveyard
this is especially relevant because Stoneforge Mystic is the best example of a card that Chancellor of the Spires could conceivably work well against, and against most decks it's still going to hurt you

edit: if you're playing Chancellor of the Spires against a stoneforge-using deck, does that mean a) you're running this in the maindeck or b) you sided it in against a non-combo deck? because either is pretty hilarious  
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firstrike
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97820278 wrote:
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Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.
I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.
I know.
PURPLE_SHRIMP:

Well I do play with 4 chancellors of the spire in main, otherwise, if I met someone with a combo-deck who started the game they would just win!

and it was an ordinary maveric deck with just 3 equipments in it!   
That Chancellor thing is WAY too situational to maindeck.  

"otherwise, if I met someone with a combo-deck who started the game they would just win!"

The chance of you playing against one is relatively slim I had always thought.  At least not large enough to maindeck against it.
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Finally, Master Yumyums just had probably the most boring, worthless card in the entire contest. Why would you need to give creatures -1/-0 on your turn? To beat them down with your nonflying blue aggro deck that plays a bad win condition card to win (and if you are playing the critters, why aren't you winning with them?!)? And the win condition itself is so mindblowingly difficult it seems like it was only made simply to fit the criteria.
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My favourite way to win against a deck that wins turn 1 is to do a rematch.
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You could even stop their combo by beating them to the punch with your own!
PURPLE_SHRIMP:

Well I do play with 4 chancellors of the spire in main, otherwise, if I met someone with a combo-deck who started the game they would just win!

and it was an ordinary maveric deck with just 3 equipments in it!   



by my count there is a 0.001% chance of successfully milling all three of the equipments in a player's deck with a single Chancellor of the Spires. however, to be fair, it would be useful to hit even one equipment (or more), of which there is about a 31.5% chance - so not all that bad.

on the other hand, Maverick is a deck that plays Scavenging Ooze and Knight of the Reliquary. I won't calculate the chance of milling at least one creature and/or land with Chancellor of the Spires, but I think you can work out the order of magnitude by yourself.
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Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.
I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.
I know.

yeah, all legacy decks win turn 1. can't believe you didn't know that.  


Right, I forgot that format was just broken combo decks.



Like using Instant Revivalto summonhigh cast creatures with only half the mana needed. Just needs a way to discard.
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Like using Instant Revivalto summonhigh cast creatures with only half the mana needed. Just needs a way to discard.


Not, not like that.
Not at all.

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Like using Instant Revivalto summonhigh cast creatures with only half the mana needed. Just needs a way to discard.


Not, not like that.
Not at all.



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I generally mention Foil; it's not nearly as efficient as Force of Will, but it's easily available, and it's an obvious choice, I think, although there are many better alternatives to Force of Will, such as those mentioned earlier in the thread.

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A few decks have started using surgical extraction or extirpate in the sideboard, so why not using the chancellor also?

The deck I use has a simple gameplan:
1: Break up any combo from the beginning.
2: Stop any creatures from hitting by getting their artifact removal and playing ensnaring bridge.

The mainproblem for the design is when the deck faces someone with 1/1's
since the deck often strands with counterspells in my hand. Using the 14 counterspells from canadian ugr it takes some timing to avoid getting hit, but chrome mox and force of will does get rid of the chancellors most of the time.

PURPLE_SHRIMP:
If I play 4 serum powder and 4 chancellor of the spires, how are the odds of getting three equipments from the beginning of the game? 



PURPLE_SHRIMP:
If I play 4 serum powder and 4 chancellor of the spires, how are the odds of getting three equipments from the beginning of the game? 




dunno and I don't really want to work that out, but they'd still be pretty abysmal

even if you get the "dream" scenario of all four Chancellor of the Spires in your opening hand (which is incredibly unlikely with or without serum powder), there's still only about a 9.6% chance of all three equipment being in the top 28 cards of the library, and it falls off sharply as you get less Chancellors
192884403 wrote:
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97820278 wrote:
Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
This definitely doesn't mean what you think it means.
I was referring to the painting The Treachery of Images.
I know.
PURPLE_SHRIMP:

Well, since there's the exact same chance of three stoneforgers to "fall" out of the deck the two 9% chances are mixed together, and since it's more common to see 3 stoneforgers than 4 in a modern version of mystic decks, then it's starting to have a direct "before the game" impact!

What will 9%+9% be in total % ???

Also, since the basis of the deck can be used on almost any deck where cards work together, this will be able to affect the deck in almost any instance where two cards work together. If I don't get the mystic+3 equip, there's always the chance that I get daze or force of will, and can take the advantage of this and force away the devious combo with that instead.
Are there any combos that don't target the opponent to win?  If no, then what about Leyline of Sanctity?

As for the discussion about so many graveyard-reliant decks, what about Leyline of the Void

While neither are perfect, I would think that (if in your opening hand) they might work.  Granted, running enough to ensure they are in that opening hand means that many will be nothing but dead draws later on in the game.

Still, those are the only thoughts I have.

I haven't faced the potential of a first-turn combo in over a decade, so my practice with evading it is low.  My suggestions may even be disproved through the practical experience of others.

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Are there any combos that don't target the opponent to win?  If no, then what about Leyline of Sanctity?

As for the discussion about so many graveyard-reliant decks, what about Leyline of the Void

While neither are perfect, I would think that (if in your opening hand) they might work.  Granted, running enough to ensure they are in that opening hand means that many will be nothing but dead draws later on in the game.

Still, those are the only thoughts I have.

I haven't faced the potential of a first-turn combo in over a decade, so my practice with evading it is low.  My suggestions may even be disproved through the practical experience of others.

Cheers!



Rest assured, some of the Leylines are being used in sideboards
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KRICHAIUSHII:

When past magic-decks have had dead cards in their hand, the solution has always been to make the dead cards usefull.

Force of will, will be usefull with the chancellor, and something similar could be done with the other cards. Mainly chrome mox will fit this concept wonderfully.

MOIMOI:

By now you should know that I love to think in reverse!

Combo is the least threat in a game, which is why most people tend so sideboard against it!

I however mean to freaking kill combo whenever i meet it to punish it's very pressence and individually force it out of the meta right then and there, an effort I find to outweigh my losses against non-combo decks. I'd rather lose to a kid theme-weenie than to a combo-deck.

So if by chance I get past the kid, I get to punish that no good combo-player.

And I haven't forgot that you never took up the wicked's weird decks vs MOIMOI's charbelcher-deck.

And that sort of tells all of the story! 
KRICHAIUSHII:

When past magic-decks have had dead cards in their hand, the solution has always been to make the dead cards usefull.

Force of will, will be usefull with the chancellor, and something similar could be done with the other cards. Mainly chrome mox will fit this concept wonderfully.

MOIMOI:

By now you should know that I love to think in reverse!

Combo is the least threat in a game, which is why most people tend so sideboard against it!

I however mean to freaking kill combo whenever i meet it to punish it's very pressence and individually force it out of the meta right then and there, an effort I find to outweigh my losses against non-combo decks. I'd rather lose to a kid theme-weenie than to a combo-deck.

So if by chance I get past the kid, I get to punish that no good combo-player.

And I haven't forgot that you never took up the wicked's weird decks vs MOIMOI's charbelcher-deck.

And that sort of tells all of the story! 



Do you remember the reason? You had the full decklist before you started making your deck, let alone that I have no idea why you quoted me here and wrote all that nonsense.

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MOIMOI:

Let me refresh your memory.

I posted several ways to run a competition between us, the main way was to have an impartial judge
(DILLEUX_LEPAIRE was impartial at that era) to play our decks out against each other after each of us had sent a single deck to him. It was several times stated that I would use 1 of 8 decks that I had previously discussed in the forums. You had ample opportunities to search those out, and noone stopped you from posting him your charbelcher-deck, since you were allowed to use any mainstream deck in legacy you chose to.

I often quote you and our past clashes out of neccesarity, because peoples oppinions cary weight, and your oppinion towards me tend to be rather hostile, and thus weigh down my claims in conversation. I tend to neutralize your oppinion by being me
Maybe I'm just weird, but I always thought Swords to Plowshares, Lightning Bolt and Force Spike were the answers to t1 Hypnotic Specter (I always forget if there was ever a 1 mana Plummet)
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MOIMOI:

Let me refresh your memory.

I posted several ways to run a competition between us, the main way was to have an impartial judge
(DILLEUX_LEPAIRE was impartial at that era) to play our decks out against each other after each of us had sent a single deck to him. It was several times stated that I would use 1 of 8 decks that I had previously discussed in the forums. You had ample opportunities to search those out, and noone stopped you from posting him your charbelcher-deck, since you were allowed to use any mainstream deck in legacy you chose to.

I often quote you and our past clashes out of neccesarity, because peoples oppinions cary weight, and your oppinion towards me tend to be rather hostile, and thus weigh down my claims in conversation. I tend to neutralize your oppinion by being me



I also stated that it wouldnt prove that your idea worked and that I couldnt let chance decide whether or not your crackpot theories were right. Let alone that dilleux hardly ever was impartial at that era, I couldnt stand him back then, I still cant stand him now, just like you

But if you want to try to play this "hey remember", do you remember when you claimed that your "legacy" deck could win on turn 4 when it could deal at MOST 18 damage at turn 4, given that you had the perfect hand, given that the opponent didnt do a single thing, like doom blade ing a single of your creatures....
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At the time where turn 1 hypnotic specter was a threath swords of plowshares was perhaps not so good a choice since it generally takes more than 4 threath removers. It lately seems to have set on 5"swords" (1 path) so decks would have had to be RW RR or UU to stop hypnotic.
Maybe I'm just weird, but I always thought Swords to Plowshares, Lightning Bolt and Force Spike were the answers to t1 Hypnotic Specter (I always forget if there was ever a 1 mana Plummet)



Force of Will if you go second.

There's no one-mana Plummet, but how about we combine the downside of Plummet with the downside of Lightning Bolt? Leaf Arrow.
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