9/17/2012 FtL: "Hey, Architects!"

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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
Cute.

I'm always fond of these cards despite my draft attitude being more that of a Spike...because although they're "bad" rares at first glance, they're clever and creative design, and do have the possibility to be broken. I don't mind ending up with one, because at worst it's a card I like thinking about, and that can possibly go in a goofy casual deck.


Incidentally, my first thought for a deck was..."Ooh, lots of Relentless Rats, plus four of this!" :P
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Hell, if they steal from us, we'd be honored.
oh my god, AWESOME! Then changing the Slivers was your idea! haha lol
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Occassionally when catering, I've been put the task of arranging Fruit and Cheese or Grilled Vegetable platters. More than once a high class buffet has started with the mark of Phyrexia upon it. Since i've got a good eye for color so it looks great to people who don't get the "joke" (it's a niceley divided circle after all: the outline gives you 4-6 "regions" to work with), this has actually got me put on platter design more often, resulting in Phyrexia's presence at more private and industry events.
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Riftsweeper seems like a good card for that deck.
The thing that gets me is its 5 mana + a condition to take an extra turn. 4U, meet a condition, take an extra turn, vs 3UU take an extra turn. I'd like to either see this card cheaper or give a bigger payout. Maybe 6 or 7 mana and take two turns?
The thing that gets me is its 5 mana + a condition to take an extra turn. 4U, meet a condition, take an extra turn, vs 3UU take an extra turn. I'd like to either see this card cheaper or give a bigger payout. Maybe 6 or 7 mana and take two turns?



You forgot that it also draws you 5 cards.
Noel: Search the City relies on the assumption that your deck has other copies of the cards exiled on it. 

Me: Relentless Rats.

Throw in some pricey land and an Alluren and you've got yourself 5 7/7s with haste . . . .
While I think it's an interesting challenge, the reward is utterly underwhelming. If I have to somehow fetch five specific cards, at that point I can just as well create infinite tokens, get infinite life, draw infinite cards, have infinite mana, etc. Hell, it's probably even easier to set up a Magosi combo for a whole lot more turns than this. Not to mention that with blue/red copying (which the Izzet's guidlmage provides in this very set) you might as well just get a whole lot of mana, cast an extra turn sorcery and copy it.

I love a challenge, but with almost no reward it just feels like a waste of time. At least winning with a Homelands deck allows you to say you've won with a Homelands deck, but this card just gives you a mere extra turn, after which you'll be obliterated by your opponents since you've just been wasting so much effort getting this thing to do *something*. Not much of an impressive feat.
This card seems like it was designed by an amatuer, like something you might see on the forums. The card doesn't feel cohesive at all, it just feels like somebody had a cute idea and forced it onto a card. It's not even really flavourfully resonant.
Just pointing out that Search the City is not entirely dead in Commander: Praetor's Grasp.
Intriguing challenge. 5 extra cards and an extra turn if you can pull it off. Duplicate some of your best spells even if you can't pull it off. Can be aided by Riftsweeper, Pull from Eternity, or as Noel spotted Misthollow Griffin.

A few other ideas: Manamorphose is a nice spell to copy, as Pyromancer Ascension players know. Casting that and getting a copy off a Search will net you a bunch of mana and a couple of cards, ready to hopefully cast another Search target. Storm spells are another category of spells that like having copies of themselves around.

Diabolic Revelation or Insidious Dreams could be very nifty followups to casting the Search. Find out what 5 cards you need, then stack your hand/deck with those 5 on top of it in the optimal order.

I agree, the article did seem pretty short; but perhaps that's just in order to leave some of the best ideas for us? 
This card seems like it was designed by an amatuer, like something you might see on the forums. The card doesn't feel cohesive at all, it just feels like somebody had a cute idea and forced it onto a card. It's not even really flavourfully resonant.


This isn't what amatuer design looks like. It is just pretty subtle top down design with some interesting interactions. Amatuer design normally beats you over the head with purpose or power.
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58060728 wrote:
Moriok Rigger does absolutely nothing to boost other riggers. You are incorrect.
Moriok Rigger is not a Rigger in print. Only in Errata WHAT NOW! (yes, I did put that phrase in for that exact reason)
Congratulations, they have activated your trap card!

I think the "play one card, get another one into your hand", although only useful in the right deck setup is interesting enough. The extra turn is just bonus. Especially in blue where you can draw, index etc..


It's also interesting for your opponent to play around. Say you have one card in hand and there's a counterspell of some sort between the exiled ones. For your opponent you either have none, or you have two. It makes for interesting play mechanics, and incidental fast turnarounds, which makes Magic interesting for me.

Anyone else thinking about Pyromancer's Ascension? It will combo well with this.
This card seems like it was designed by an amatuer, like something you might see on the forums. The card doesn't feel cohesive at all, it just feels like somebody had a cute idea and forced it onto a card. It's not even really flavourfully resonant.


This isn't what amatuer design looks like. It is just pretty subtle top down design with some interesting interactions. Amatuer design normally beats you over the head with purpose or power.



This seems way more like bottom up design than top down design to me. Civilized Scholar was top down designed to be a Dr. Jekyll, what pre-existing flavor was this card top down designed to be?
Search the City does work in Commander, ironically, with Scouting Trek and basic lands.  However, any deck full of four-of's shouldn't have too much trouble doing this blind if the game lasts long enough, especially if it's full of cheap cantrips.  The next thing I'd think of is combining this with Spellweaver Helix.
I want to use this with Mirror of Fate somehow.
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I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".
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Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
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Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
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Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
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I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
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Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
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Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
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OH MY GOD
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The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
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The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
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Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
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You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
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Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
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Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
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But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
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to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
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when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
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I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
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Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
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Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
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Anyone else thinking about Pyromancer's Ascension? It will combo well with this.

My thoughts exactly. I think two of them will find their way into my pyromancer deck - should help consistency a lot, although even in that deck 5 mana might be a bit too steep to be really good. Would have been awesome at 4, but I guess they ran out of "power points".
Riftsweeper seems like a good card for that deck.



I had a similar thought.  The hard part would be making a deck that both plays with this card, and somehow manages to use it to win the game.  Getting 2-3 "free" cards would be nice if you could pull it off. Using something like Mirri's Guile to stack the deck also seems plausible and fits into the same general deck.  Flashback is nice too.


This card is more interesting than I originally thought it was.

Okay, this card looks like a lot of fun.

5 mana-draw 5 cards, take an extra turn.  Sure there a few hoops to jump through, but well...solving such riddles is a large part of the fun in being a Johnny.

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MaRo: One of the classic R&D stories happened during a Scars of Mirrodin draft. Erik Lauer was sitting to my right (meaning that he passed to me in the first and third packs). At the end of the draft, Erik was upset because I was in his colors (black-green). He said, "Didn't you see the signals? I went into black-green in pack one." I replied, "Didn't you see my signals? I started drafting infect six drafts ago."

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MaRo: I redesigned him while the effect was on the stack.

I wonder if this card was originally designed in this set.  It kind of screams "Look at me, I'm a Quest" to me loud enough that I would not be surprised if this was a leftover design from Zendikar block, or perhaps an early version of the quests before they finalized their design.

The first thought I had about easy search targets is basic lands, but I also second (third?) the pyromancer's ascension idea.
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This card seems like it was designed by an amatuer, like something you might see on the forums. The card doesn't feel cohesive at all, it just feels like somebody had a cute idea and forced it onto a card. It's not even really flavourfully resonant.


This isn't what amatuer design looks like. It is just pretty subtle top down design with some interesting interactions. Amatuer design normally beats you over the head with purpose or power.



Ha! So true.
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This card seems like it was designed by an amatuer, like something you might see on the forums. The card doesn't feel cohesive at all, it just feels like somebody had a cute idea and forced it onto a card. It's not even really flavourfully resonant.


This isn't what amatuer design looks like. It is just pretty subtle top down design with some interesting interactions. Amatuer design normally beats you over the head with purpose or power.



This seems way more like bottom up design than top down design to me. Civilized Scholar was top down designed to be a Dr. Jekyll, what pre-existing flavor was this card top down designed to be?



A Scavenger Hunt.
"Possibilities abound, too numerous to count." "Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969) "Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion Backs)
For such a fun-looking card, the decklist looks way too linear. Lots of ideas with this card, gonna have to grab myself a playset of playsets for this beauty.

Also,

A Scavenger Hunt.


This.

I think the "play one card, get another one into your hand", although only useful in the right deck setup is interesting enough. The extra turn is just bonus. Especially in blue where you can draw, index etc...




Someone DOES get it! The point of this is 5 mana to slap aside 5 cards, at least one of which is probably going to be a land, so there's 4, and then in a blue/white Azors control deck with some permission, stalling enchantments and draw, that'll sort you out nicely, and the extra turn will translate immediately into faster wins off the back of the Elocutor...
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