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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
How does this interact with storm?  If it can exile copies of spells (as with gigadrowse) then it can exile every copy of a storm spell.  I'm very surprised you didn't mention this -- it seems like an easy way to get a million counters.  Spell, exile it, spell, exile it, grapeshot, storm, exile all storm copies and the original ... 10 counters!
Why is this not a Weird!?
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57817638 wrote:
I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".
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57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
57864098 wrote:
Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
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76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
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57531048 wrote:
Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
99812049 wrote:
I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
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56854588 wrote:
Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
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WOAH wait wait wait
56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
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OH MY GOD
109874309 wrote:
The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
82032421 wrote:
The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
56874518 wrote:
Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
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58280208 wrote:
You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
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57145078 wrote:
You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
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58347268 wrote:
I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
56965458 wrote:
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
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57309598 wrote:
I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
58325628 wrote:
Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
Doug Beyer:
But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
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Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
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to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
58347268 wrote:
when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
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I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
Dymecoar:
Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
Omega137:
Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right." Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"
Zigeif777:
Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
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58258708 wrote:
It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
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94618431 wrote:
I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
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My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
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[/spoiler] And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you? Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now. Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
The creativity and thought-provoking nature of the fun ability was spoiled for me by the 1/2 base power/toughness on a blue/red one drop. What the hell is up with the power creep, Wizards? I thought the color pie was supposed to be a big deal nowadays. Neither blue nor red are supposed to get better than 1/1 for one without a drawback.

You've stated in your own articles that, with the exception of Masques, indications over the past decade-plus are that less-powered blocks are actually more fun for players. You've stated that the Titans were something of a mistake. C'mon guys, there's no need to push P/T when the abilities can hold their own as it is.
Whee! Casual rare for my Burning Vengeance arcane melee combo deck!


Control... Is that on the stack?  
How does this interact with storm?  If it can exile copies of spells (as with gigadrowse) then it can exile every copy of a storm spell.  I'm very surprised you didn't mention this -- it seems like an easy way to get a million counters.  Spell, exile it, spell, exile it, grapeshot, storm, exile all storm copies and the original ... 10 counters!


Pointing out that this is insane with storm would matter more if storm weren't already insane by itself.  I mean, if you're already using storm it's more an issuing of finding a way to win that isn't broken.
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This is really good if you are expecting all your spells to be countered. Because it slides under everything on turn 1, then you eat all your spells as your opponent counters them.

Oh, that's right, counterspells don't exist in Magic anymore.

Well, I guess I can just eat a handful of Pacts on turn 1? 
The creativity and thought-provoking nature of the fun ability was spoiled for me by the 1/2 base power/toughness on a blue/red one drop. What the hell is up with the power creep, Wizards? I thought the color pie was supposed to be a big deal nowadays. Neither blue nor red are supposed to get better than 1/1 for one without a drawback.



I would be more concerned if it were a 2/1.  Does it really matter that it has a slightly bigger ass on it?  I mean we've seen 1/1 flyers and 1/1 Haste in U and R before.  Were those power creep?
I'd have been happier if this had cost an extra hybrid mana to cast, had been a 1/1, and had gained three counters for each spell it ate.  Even if that was too good (and it may well have been), adding an extra colorless or two to the cost should make it fair enough.

Three counters a spell is much more exciting than two.  At three counters, I'd be quite interested in building around this guy, and I like the idea of a Giant Growth being a permanent +3/+3.  But turning my spells into half a Travel Preparations doesn't excite me nearly as much.  The spells I like to play should be doing way more for me than adding a couple of +1/+1 counters.

That being said, the card actually seems reasonably good as it is.  Just not as exciting.
Turn 1: Mountain, Nivmagus Elemental
Turn 2: Cast and omnomnom 5 Pacts from Future Sight (any ones are fine, Niv isn't a picky eater). Cast Assault Strobe on 11/12 Niv. Attack for 22 damage.

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The creativity and thought-provoking nature of the fun ability was spoiled for me by the 1/2 base power/toughness on a blue/red one drop. What the hell is up with the power creep, Wizards? I thought the color pie was supposed to be a big deal nowadays. Neither blue nor red are supposed to get better than 1/1 for one without a drawback.

You've stated in your own articles that, with the exception of Masques, indications over the past decade-plus are that less-powered blocks are actually more fun for players. You've stated that the Titans were something of a mistake. C'mon guys, there's no need to push P/T when the abilities can hold their own as it is.



You're forgetting that it can be more powerful if it's rare these days.

The creativity and thought-provoking nature of the fun ability was spoiled for me by the 1/2 base power/toughness on a blue/red one drop. What the hell is up with the power creep, Wizards? I thought the color pie was supposed to be a big deal nowadays. Neither blue nor red are supposed to get better than 1/1 for one without a drawback.



I would be more concerned if it were a 2/1.  Does it really matter that it has a slightly bigger ass on it?  I mean we've seen 1/1 flyers and 1/1 Haste in U and R before.  Were those power creep?

The power creep here is because not only does it survives all the handy one damage spells and abilities that are running around, but when you stick counters on it suddenly it becomes 3/4, 5/6, etc. - each time avoiding another relevant removal spell (such as Lighting Bolt and Dismember).

There are a lot fewer now that Gut Shot and Fume Spitter and so on are rotating out, but being a 1/2 IS relevant. If, for example, Delver's flipped side was 3/1 or 2/2, the decks featuring it would be noticeably less powerful.

It may turn out that the ability isn't powerful enough for it to matter...but then why bother making it a 1/2?
Wow, at first I was like Eew! But then I pondered on it for a bit an realized that this guy is a nuts sideboard card vs counter control/tempo decks. Get him out on first turn and then freely play your instants n sorceries, it'll drive your opponent nuts knowing they can't get full advantage out of countering your spells an may make them think twice! I love it!

Also to the comment about the 1/2 being power creep. Were people not around for Shadowmoor / Eventide? Hybrid cards are just naturally more powerful (which I'll admit is odd cause they're already flexible) This is not power creep, when compared to other hybrid cards.
Which ones are you thinking of? Things like the lieges and avatars had very intensive costs, even though they were still hybrid.

Hell, even Rhys the Redeemed was a 1/1, and he was both legendary AND green/white.
I'm worried that Wizards might regret this one. This looks like a better card than Delver of Secrets (and it fits in the same deck!). A closer analogy might be Psychatog ... except that the P/T boost is doubled and DOESN'T WEAR OFF EOT. Oh, and it costs two fewer mana.

The ability to turn all of your spells into mini-permanent-Giant Growths is insane, as well. Any deck running this card can now maindeck narrow, powerful cards much more easily (Ancient Grudge, Faith's Shield, Celestial Purge, etc.) ... knowing that it can be cycled into a very reasonable P/T boost.

It also gives you a huge edge in any instant wars. You'll never get 2-for-1-ed by having a removal spell cast on a creature you just pumped. You'll never have a removal spell nullified by Restoration Angle or Faith's Shield. And anything that your opponent counters just becomes a +2/+2 for this guy instead.

So in addition to this being one of the most aggressively costed 1-drops ever (and certainly one of the two most aggressive BLUE one-drops ever) it increases your resilience to ... everything that interacts with your spells.

Yeah.
Wow, at first I was like Eew! But then I pondered on it for a bit an realized that this guy is a nuts sideboard card vs counter control.


Have fun wasting sideboard slots to fight decks that do not exist anymore.

The ability to turn all of your spells into mini-permanent-Giant Growths is insane, as well. Any deck running this card can now maindeck narrow, powerful cards much more easily (Ancient Grudge, Faith's Shield, Celestial Purge, etc.) ... knowing that it can be cycled into a very reasonable P/T boost.


Doesn't work. Not with ancient Grudge at least, cause you still need to cast it to be able to eat it, and if the opponent is not playing artifacts then it gets stuck in your hand.

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192884403 wrote:
surely one can't say complex conditional passive language is bad grammar ?
Either this guy will be the next Psychatog, or he'll be weird sideboard fodder vs counterspell decks. I'd love to try him in a shell full of cascade/replicate/storm/phyrexian mana/rebound shenanigans.
I seem to find myself looking forward to this set a little bit less. Kind of defeats the point of a preview really... Was the design ethos for this set to just ram it full of stupid rares and watch the secondary market go cray cray?
I want to be Cultured.
I seem to find myself looking forward to this set a little bit less. Kind of defeats the point of a preview really... Was the design ethos for this set to just ram it full of stupid rares and watch the secondary market go cray cray?



Crazy? I don't see any Dark Confidants or Snapcaster Mages. . . yet. Really the best cards so far are all the hatebears. And I welcome the shocklands back. Sure, there will be a price hike in lands for standard, but there will be a general price fall for eternal format lands. I'm looking at you, Modern.
I'm worried that Wizards might regret this one. This looks like a better card than Delver of Secrets (and it fits in the same deck!). A closer analogy might be Psychatog ... except that the P/T boost is doubled and DOESN'T WEAR OFF EOT. Oh, and it costs two fewer mana.

The ability to turn all of your spells into mini-permanent-Giant Growths is insane, as well. Any deck running this card can now maindeck narrow, powerful cards much more easily (Ancient Grudge, Faith's Shield, Celestial Purge, etc.) ... knowing that it can be cycled into a very reasonable P/T boost.

It also gives you a huge edge in any instant wars. You'll never get 2-for-1-ed by having a removal spell cast on a creature you just pumped. You'll never have a removal spell nullified by Restoration Angle or Faith's Shield. And anything that your opponent counters just becomes a +2/+2 for this guy instead.

So in addition to this being one of the most aggressively costed 1-drops ever (and certainly one of the two most aggressive BLUE one-drops ever) it increases your resilience to ... everything that interacts with your spells.

Yeah.



You are for the most part right. The elemental can still bite the dust to a black removal spell or get bounced. Just because Vapor Snag is rotating doesn't mean typical Snapcaster decks won't have Unsummon or Silent Departure. This is by no means a bad creature. A 1/2 in hybrid Blue/Red is still decent, and the ability to eat useless flashback spells like Artful Dodge does give him a role. He will also be good against Syncopate. As far as casual formats go, he'll destroy spells like Condescend and Power Sink. He may even be excellent against Mana Drain in Vintage. This man is also decent against affects like Mindbreak Trap. But I don't think he'll be as removal-demanding as a flipped Delver. He reminds me of a backwards Spellskite.
Not convinced that this is better than Quirion Dryad in matches where your opponent isn't trying to counter everything you do. Time will tell, but if you feed this thing a bunch of your spells and then it gets Unsummoned or Abrubtly Decayed, you're pretty much screwed.
Why couldn't it say "counter" the spell instead of exile as the cost? Then Guile could sit an' watch an' laugh through the whole thing.

Oh right, counterspells don't exist any more. We miss them. At least that's one way of removing the ambiguous nature of the term "counter", so only the sense used in the ability's effect continues to exist.
seems like retrace would work quite well with him. specifically flame jab.
Actually retrace would work quite poorly. Because he exiles the spell, so it doesn't go to the graveyard to be retraced.
Why couldn't it say "counter" the spell instead of exile as the cost? Then Guile could sit an' watch an' laugh through the whole thing.

Oh right, counterspells don't exist any more. We miss them. At least that's one way of removing the ambiguous nature of the term "counter", so only the sense used in the ability's effect continues to exist.


because they don't want to still let te spell after be played from graveyard with flashback
How does this interact with storm?  If it can exile copies of spells (as with gigadrowse) then it can exile every copy of a storm spell.  I'm very surprised you didn't mention this -- it seems like an easy way to get a million counters.  Spell, exile it, spell, exile it, grapeshot, storm, exile all storm copies and the original ... 10 counters!


Pointing out that this is insane with storm would matter more if storm weren't already insane by itself.  I mean, if you're already using storm it's more an issuing of finding a way to win that isn't broken.


what about eye of the storm?  is that equally pointless to point out that this guy is hilarious with?  play every spell on the eye every time, then eat the ones that are bad for you at the moment, or just eat every spell that's been cast so far in the game.
This is the happy swamp. Love it. I am red/blue, I think logically and act impulsively.
Why couldn't it say "counter" the spell instead of exile as the cost? Then Guile could sit an' watch an' laugh through the whole thing.

Oh right, counterspells don't exist any more. We miss them. At least that's one way of removing the ambiguous nature of the term "counter", so only the sense used in the ability's effect continues to exist.


because they don't want to still let te spell after be played from graveyard with flashback



Plus, there are quite a few spells floating around now that can't be countered, so that wouldn't be cool...



You're forgetting that it can be more powerful if it's common these days.



Fixed.


You're forgetting that it can be more powerful if it's common these days.



Fixed.

No, Delver's power level was unintentional. Whereas they push the power level of rares intentionally.
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