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I actually want to see Samurai and Ninja back in a updated deck.  I loved the Samurai and Ninja They were unique and powerful for how much they cost.  I want to see them again in modern packs.  Even if they get changed a little from what they were before.  I would love to see a updated version of both these groups.  I would love to see actually a Samurai/Ninja deck made.  So a white/blue deck based around Samurai and Ninja cards from old.
They just made a new Ninja deck for Planechase 2012.
I thought the kamigawa block was modern

I personally would love to see gustcloak and Daru creatures reprinted
we will have to wait for Return to Kamigawa
we will have to wait for Return to Kamigawa



Which will probably never happen because kamigawa was so selfcentered that it didnt work with any other blocks
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we will have to wait for Return to Kamigawa



Which will probably never happen because kamigawa was so selfcentered that it didnt work with any other blocks


You don't need to bring back arcane or anything. 
we will have to wait for Return to Kamigawa



Which will probably never happen because kamigawa was so selfcentered that it didnt work with any other blocks


You don't need to bring back arcane or anything. 


Yeah but Kamigawa was generally very poorly received. The mere name of the block is almost synonymous with crap in many players' minds. It's unlikely that the plane will be revisited.

Yeah but Kamigawa was generally very poorly received. The mere name of the block is almost synonymous with crap in many players' minds. It's unlikely that the plane will be revisited.



Of course it's going to be revisited. While being attacked by separate invasions from Nicol Bolas, Phyrexia and the Eldrazi. Who will then combine into Robo-Dragon-Cthulu.
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we will have to wait for Return to Kamigawa



Which will probably never happen because kamigawa was so selfcentered that it didnt work with any other blocks


You don't need to bring back arcane or anything. 


Yeah but Kamigawa was generally very poorly received. The mere name of the block is almost synonymous with crap in many players' minds. It's unlikely that the plane will be revisited.

Exactly.  Return to Kamigawa would probably be able to be done phenomenally but Wizards is a business and the name "Kamigawa" is hated too much because how poorly the last block was done.
Some of us remember it as a change of pace from Mirrodin. Because the power level of that block was really balanced. 
I think "bad" in this case just means "not overpowered".  I know its just anecdotal, and honestly Im kind of neutral on the flavor of the block myself, but I have a number of friends who are actually pretty big fans of kamigawa block.

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The only reason Kamigawa was not well recieved is because of it's asian flare ("Magic is doing anime" was a common insult at the time), the face Soul shift failed to really catch on, and half the player base left after Mirrodin and wouldn't come back until Ravnica (or Time Spiral).
However the set was known for its stunning art, its intresting story (black was the hero, white was the primary villian), Samurai and Ninja were both very popular casual staples at the time, and a lot of people liked the designs of the legends.
One of the many reasons why Kamigawa was not well recieved is because of it's asian flare ("Magic is doing anime" was a common insult at the time), the face Soul shift failed to really catch on, and half the player base left after Mirrodin and wouldn't come back until Ravnica (or Time Spiral).



There we got, I corrected your horrible mistake.

Oh and dont get my wrong, I got a samurai deck that would LOVE to see a return to kamigawa, but I dont see it happening. I'll say it again, the problem with kamigawa is that it was way too much self-centered. Ninja and samurai never came back, arcane never came back (even if it's an amazing mechanic). They should have removed 1 colorless to most spells to make them viable
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Return to Homelands please.
I think "bad" in this case just means "not overpowered".  I know its just anecdotal, and honestly Im kind of neutral on the flavor of the block myself, but I have a number of friends who are actually pretty big fans of kamigawa block.



It's not just about the power level.

It's also about the parasitic Arcane/Spirit theme. There are lots of interactions within Kamigawa block, but far fewer with the rest of Magic.

It's also about the misguided legendary theme, which just served to dilute what it means to be legendary, while making creatures more complicated and giving them the can't-have-two drawback. And given that there was only one common that even mentioned "legendary" anywhere on the card, it wasn't immediately obvious to people opening boosters that this was even supposed to be the block's major theme.

And then there were several other poor mechanics. Flip cards are just too crowded and clunky, Sweep didn't deserve to even get an ability word, bushido often just meant the creature did less damage than it should when unblocked, and the "have many cards in your hand" didn't provide good gameplay.
Ninjutsu is a really great mechanic though, most of the cards with it are pretty awesome.
One of the many reasons why Kamigawa was not well recieved is because of it's asian flare ("Magic is doing anime" was a common insult at the time), the face Soul shift failed to really catch on, and half the player base left after Mirrodin and wouldn't come back until Ravnica (or Time Spiral).



There we got, I corrected your horrible mistake.

Oh and dont get my wrong, I got a samurai deck that would LOVE to see a return to kamigawa, but I dont see it happening. I'll say it again, the problem with kamigawa is that it was way too much self-centered. Ninja and samurai never came back, arcane never came back (even if it's an amazing mechanic). They should have removed 1 colorless to most spells to make them viable


By Viable, you mean over-powered, right?
I think "bad" in this case just means "not overpowered".  I know its just anecdotal, and honestly Im kind of neutral on the flavor of the block myself, but I have a number of friends who are actually pretty big fans of kamigawa block.



It's not just about the power level.

It's also about the parasitic Arcane/Spirit theme. There are lots of interactions within Kamigawa block, but far fewer with the rest of Magic.

It's also about the misguided legendary theme, which just served to dilute what it means to be legendary, while making creatures more complicated and giving them the can't-have-two drawback. And given that there was only one common that even mentioned "legendary" anywhere on the card, it wasn't immediately obvious to people opening boosters that this was even supposed to be the block's major theme.

And then there were several other poor mechanics. Flip cards are just too crowded and clunky, Sweep didn't deserve to even get an ability word, bushido often just meant the creature did less damage than it should when unblocked, and the "have many cards in your hand" didn't provide good gameplay.



Bushido was right on the mark. You get a decent costed card outside of combat, an amazing card inside of combat.

Bushido was right on the mark. You get a decent costed card outside of combat, an amazing card inside of combat.



It really depends on the creature. There are several cards that aren't great even in combat but that are just really bad outside it. Numai Outcast and Takeno's Cavalry are the notorious examples of that. There are several more cards that would be outclassed by more recent creatures even bushido it were unconditional (and which are just sad without the bushido bonus turned on), but I suppose that could be more about creatures being more powerful now than then, or about limited fodder comparing poorly to rare/mythic cards.

I do concede that it's not as big a problem as I'd thought.

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we will have to wait for Return to Kamigawa



Which will probably never happen because kamigawa was so selfcentered that it didnt work with any other blocks



MaRo said in an article that Innistrad was almost set on Ulgrotha. Don't write off anything as completely impossible (especially with them "testing the waters" a bit with things like the 2012 Planechase Ninja deck and random throwbacks to the Kamigawa block).
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I would be okay with a return to Kamigawa if the block turned out well.  I enjoyed some of the cards.  

I'll always remember how annoying some of the decks from the block were, though.  I was very happy when Kamigawa rotated out.  Things I got very tired of when Kamigawa was in Standard:

1) Umezawa's Jitte
2) Honden decks
3) Arcane burn decks
4) Ninjas - fun to play with, but tiring to face over and over and over again.  
5) Kokusho, the Evening Star
6) Nezumi Shortfang
7) Nezumi Graverobber
8) Sensei's Divining Top 
we will have to wait for Return to Kamigawa



Which will probably never happen because kamigawa was so selfcentered that it didnt work with any other blocks


You don't need to bring back arcane or anything. 



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It's too bad that two of Magic's most interesting locales, Kamigawa and Ulgrotha, produced some of the worst cards/sets in the game's history.  It's too bad.  I was crossing my fingers for some kind of Sengir connection with Innistrad.

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we will have to wait for Return to Kamigawa



Which will probably never happen because kamigawa was so selfcentered that it didnt work with any other blocks


You don't need to bring back arcane or anything. 



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Have you seen Gate?


Yeah. All the talk about stuff not being narrow anymore, haha. 
The difference between Gates and Kamigawa block is that the Gates will be useful even without cards that directly address the subtype.  Also, the cards we've seen so far that reference Gates tend to be modal, a la Gatekeeper Vine.

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The difference between Gates and Kamigawa block is that the Gates will be useful even without cards that directly address the subtype.  Also, the cards we've seen so far that reference Gates tend to be modal, a la Gatekeeper Vine.


Baring cards like Evermind you can still play Arcane spells just fine. I think it's fine if you have some cards that just work within the block. 
They need to not revisit plains so closly together.

In 5 years how about they revisit a plane.
I miss the old days.
Every block has its 'arcane' insular mechanic. Zendikar had Allies, for example. The problem is when it eats too much of the block.
[<o>]
Lately the problem stems from stuffing the mechanic or useless mechanics into a set that just needs better vanilla creatures.

As long as they dont have you play with cards to represent cards not in your deck cause my deck box is full enough anyway.
I miss the old days.
They need to not revisit plains so closly together.


But white needs basic lands.
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57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
57864098 wrote:
Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
56747598 wrote:
76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
76672808 wrote:
57864098 wrote:
57531048 wrote:
Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
99812049 wrote:
I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
56816728 wrote:
56854588 wrote:
Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
70246459 wrote:
WOAH wait wait wait
56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
56957928 wrote:
OH MY GOD
109874309 wrote:
The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
82032421 wrote:
The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
56874518 wrote:
Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
70246459 wrote:
58280208 wrote:
You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
57817638 wrote:
57145078 wrote:
You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
70246459 wrote:
58347268 wrote:
I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
56965458 wrote:
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
57864098 wrote:
57309598 wrote:
I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
58325628 wrote:
Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
Doug Beyer:
But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
141434757 wrote:
Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
57927608 wrote:
to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
58347268 wrote:
when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
143229641 wrote:
I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
Dymecoar:
Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
Omega137:
Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right." Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"
Zigeif777:
Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
57471038 wrote:
58258708 wrote:
It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
91893448 wrote:
94618431 wrote:
I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
57129358 wrote:
97980259 wrote:
My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
70246459 wrote:
[/spoiler] And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you? Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now. Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
Oh blah, I slip up once after not sleeping for 3 days.
I miss the old days.
They need to not revisit plains so closly together.


But white needs basic lands.


Don't be a scrub.
57170298 wrote:
Borrowing the East Wind (P3) - Haha, it's like Hurricane but for horsemanship? That makes hilariously little sense. "Oh man, the wind is so much worse up on this horse."
57044478 wrote:
Jon Finkel can win a Magic tournament with a ham sandwich. That doesn't mean ham sandwiches are now the metagame breaker.
97820278 wrote:
Koth: I'm the first viable red planeswalker. Who are you? Tibalt: I'm a two-mana red planeswalker. Koth: I'm the last viable red planeswalker.
Every block has its 'arcane' insular mechanic. Zendikar had Allies, for example. The problem is when it eats too much of the block.


Well, actually two problems:
Arcane didn't JUST eat up too much of the block. It was also mostly terrible. The problem with Arcane is that there weren't enough good arcane spells (The only one I still play is Hideous Laughter and only because that one is instant speed board wipe) and there certainly weren't enough good spliceable cards. I started playing during Champions and I still only spliced maybe one spell.
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They need to not revisit plains so closly together.


But white needs basic lands.


Don't be a scrub.

Come on, that kind of comment is pretty much a staple around here.
You knew it'd happen one way or the other.
Also the definition of Scrub is pretty loose anyway.
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57817638 wrote:
I like storm crow because I really like crows in real life, as an animal, and the card isn't terribly stupid, but packs a good deal of nostalgia and also a chunck of the game's history. So it's perhaps one of the cards I have most affection to, but not because "lol storm crow is bad hurr hurr durr".
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56747598 wrote:
57295478 wrote:
Although I do assume you deliberately refer to them (DCI) as The Grand Imperial Convocation of Evil just for the purposes of making them sound like an ancient and terrible conspiracy.
Now, now. 1994 doesn't quite qualify as "ancient".
56734518 wrote:
Oh, it's a brilliant plan. You see, Bolas was travelling through shadowmoor, causing trouble, when he saw a Wickerbough Elder with its stylin' dead scarecrow hat. Now, Bolas being Bolas took the awesome hat and he put it on his head, but even with all his titanic powers of magic he couldn't make it fit. He grabbed some more scarecrows, but then a little kithkin girl asked if he was trying to build a toupee. "BY ALL THE POWERS IN THE MULTIVERSE!" he roared, "I WILL HAVE A HAT WORTHY OF MY GLORY." and so he went through his Dark Lore of Doom (tm) looking for something he could make into a hat that would look as stylish on him as a scarecrow does on a treefolk. He thought about the Phyrexians, but they were covered in goopy oil that would make his nonexistant hair greasy. He Tried out angels for a while but they didn't sit quite right. Then, he looked under "e" (because in the Elder Draconic alphabet, "e" for Eldrazi is right next to "h" for Hat) in his Dark Lore of Doom and saw depictions of the Eldrazi, and all their forms. "THIS SHALL BE MY HAT!" he declared, poking a picture of Emrakul, "AND WITH IT I WILL USHER IN A NEW AGE OF DARKNESS -- ER, I MEAN A NEW AGE OF FASHION!" And so Nicol Bolas masterminded the release of the Eldrazi.
57864098 wrote:
Rhox War Monk just flips pancakes, and if games have told us anything, it's that food = life.
56747598 wrote:
76973988 wrote:
This thread has gotten creepy. XP
Really? Really? The last couple days have been roughly every perverse fetish imaginable, but it only got "creepy" when speculation on Mother of Runes's mob affiliation came up?
76672808 wrote:
57864098 wrote:
57531048 wrote:
Nice mana base. Not really.
Yeah, really. If my deck was going to cost $1000+, I'd at least make it good.
99812049 wrote:
I like to think up what I consider clever names for my decks, only later to be laughed at by my wife. It kills me a little on the inside, but thats what marriage is about.
56816728 wrote:
56854588 wrote:
Of course, the best use [of tolaria west] is transmuting for the real Tolaria. ;)
Absolutely. I used to loose to my buddy's Banding deck for ages, it was then that I found out about Tolaria, and I was finally able win my first game.
70246459 wrote:
WOAH wait wait wait
56957928 wrote:
You know, being shallow and jusdgmental aside, "I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
"I later found out that Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates with at least two other people"
56957928 wrote:
Jon infiltrated his way into OKCupid dates
56957928 wrote:
OH MY GOD
109874309 wrote:
The only way I'd cast this card is into a bonfire.
82032421 wrote:
The short answer is that there's no rule barring annoying people from posting, but there a rule barring us from harassing them about it.
56747598 wrote:
Browbeat is a card that is an appropriate deck choice when there's no better idea available. "No better idea available" was pretty much the running theme of Odyssey era.
56874518 wrote:
Or perhaps it was a more straightforward comment indicating a wish for you to be bitten (Perhaps repeatedly) by a small yet highly venomous arachnid.
70246459 wrote:
58280208 wrote:
You're an idiot, and I'm in no mood for silliness.
57817638 wrote:
57145078 wrote:
You just... Vektor it.
That's the answer to everything.
70246459 wrote:
58347268 wrote:
I think the problem is that you don't exist.
This would sound great out of context!
56965458 wrote:
Modern is like playing a new tournament every time : you build a deck, you win with it, don't bother keeping it. Just build another, its key pieces will get banned.
57864098 wrote:
57309598 wrote:
I specifically remember posting a thread when I was just a witty bitty noob.
You make it sound like that's still not the case.
58325628 wrote:
Rap is what happens when the c from crap is taken away.
Doug Beyer:
But sometimes it's also challenging. Because sometimes OH MY GOD, WHAT THE HELL IS THIS THING?
141434757 wrote:
Flashforward five thousand years (Click for atmosphere) :
57927608 wrote:
to paraphrase Jeff Goldblum, Vektor finds a way.
58347268 wrote:
when in rome **** AND PILLAGE
143229641 wrote:
I always find it helpful when im angry to dress up in an owl costume and rub pennies all over my body in front of a full body mirror next to the window.
Dymecoar:
Playing Magic without Blue is like sleeping without any sheets or blankets. You can do it...but why?
Omega137:
Me: "I love the moment when a control deck stabilizes. It feels so... right." Omega137: "I like the life drop part until you get there, it's the MtG variant of bungee jumping"
Zigeif777:
Just do it like Yu-Gi-Oh or monkeys: throw all the crap you got at them and hope it works or else the by-standers (or opponents) just get dirty and pissed.
57471038 wrote:
58258708 wrote:
It's true that Alpha and Beta didn't contain any cards like Tarmogoyf, Darksteel Colossus, or Platinum Angel. It just contained weak, insignificant cards like Black Lotus, Mox Sapphire, and Time Walk.
Normally it's difficult to pick up on your jokes/sarcasm. But this one's pretty much out there. Good progress. You have moved up to Humanoid. You'll be Human in no time.
91893448 wrote:
94618431 wrote:
I didn't know Samurai were known to be able to cut down whole armies...
They can when they're using lightsabers!
57129358 wrote:
97980259 wrote:
My wife brought home a baby black squirrel they found on a horse track and cared for it for a few days. We named it Grixis, but it died.
Unearth it!
70246459 wrote:
[/spoiler] And I'm on Magic Arcana. How about you? Oh, by the way, I'm also on From the Lab now. Twice, actually. And now with my own submited decklist!
Come on, that kind of comment is pretty much a staple around here.
You knew it'd happen one way or the other.
Also the definition of Scrub is pretty loose anyway.


Nah, he's right. White doesn't need basic lands. Especially not with both Shocklands and MLands in the format soon.
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Every block has its 'arcane' insular mechanic. Zendikar had Allies, for example. The problem is when it eats too much of the block.


Well, actually two problems:
Arcane didn't JUST eat up too much of the block. It was also mostly terrible. The problem with Arcane is that there weren't enough good arcane spells (The only one I still play is Hideous Laughter and only because that one is instant speed board wipe) and there certainly weren't enough good spliceable cards. I started playing during Champions and I still only spliced maybe one spell.


Arcane demonstrated that WotC was gunshy about Kamigawa after Mirrodin. I suspect many last minute changes were made to the card list after people realized how nasty Mirrodin stuff could become.
Every block has its 'arcane' insular mechanic. Zendikar had Allies, for example. The problem is when it eats too much of the block.


Well, actually two problems:
Arcane didn't JUST eat up too much of the block. It was also mostly terrible. The problem with Arcane is that there weren't enough good arcane spells (The only one I still play is Hideous Laughter and only because that one is instant speed board wipe) and there certainly weren't enough good spliceable cards. I started playing during Champions and I still only spliced maybe one spell.


Arcane demonstrated that WotC was gunshy about Kamigawa after Mirrodin. I suspect many last minute changes were made to the card list after people realized how nasty Mirrodin stuff could become.


you can also see this in the creatures since all of the worth while ones are Legendary. They didn't want one to become a new Ravager so they made it so you could only have one copy of even uncommon creatures in play. 
The difference between Gates and Kamigawa block is that the Gates will be useful even without cards that directly address the subtype.  Also, the cards we've seen so far that reference Gates tend to be modal, a la Gatekeeper Vine.



Technically, you've got it wrong. Something like Kodama's Reach doesn't need "splice onto arcane" or spiritcraft, and this technically makes it strictly better than Cultivate. The stuff that depends on arcane or spirit just bad without it.

I don't think every block has this. All I can think of is snow, arcane, and now gate. Tribal mechanics aren't the same, as by that logic, there's only one creature without some arcane variant. Infect is linear too, yes, but its linearity is always mechanically relevant.
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