White post rotation looks bleak unless help comes in Ravinica

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I was thinking about what power cards white will have post rotation, and how it's losing a ton of power when the scars block rotates. There is W/X humans, but that deck hasn't been very consistent lately from what I've seen. After Sun Titan, Hero of Bladehold, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Day of Judgment, Jideon Jura, Blade Splicer rotate the color seems castrated. The power cards left will be Restoration Angel, Geist of Saint Traft (Delver looks like it might take a hit too, which hits Geist), Oblivion ring (Whites all around most powerful card imo), possibly champion of the parish and Sublime Archangel.

I've felt that white has played a Robin to the other colors Batman lately, but I wonder if it is going to take a further backseat soon. Return to Ravinica can change all of this, but it will need to boost white a ton to get it on the level of B/G/U. Red is another Robin, but that is for another thread.
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White seems to be the second strongest color in Standard going into RTR, after Green. There's no way that White is playing second fiddle to Black right now. If it weren't for Zombies, Black would be non-existent in the meta (disregarding the janky Black Market builds). As you mentioned, White has the true beatsticks of Delver, in Geist and Restoration Angel. I could easily see a tempo-based W/u deck dominating early on, without knowledge of the new set.

If you want to complain about any color, it should be Red. This is one of the first formats in a while where Red doesn't have a decent Aggro build... or Midrange build... or Control build. Take away Thundermaw and Bonfire, and what do you have?

 

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well you still have Magmaquake, Cleaver Riot and Blasphemous Act.... on top of that from Innistrad up to M13, if I am not mistaken from these 4 sets, I think there is more draw cards now then there has been for quite awhile now that was mainly for a red deck without the splashing for a different color.
well you still have Magmaquake, Cleaver Riot and Blasphemous Act.... on top of that from Innistrad up to M13, if I am not mistaken from these 4 sets, I think there is more draw cards now then there has been for quite awhile now that was mainly for a red deck without the splashing for a different color.



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Cleaver Riot gives all your creatures double strike. Imagine how good Delver would be with double strike.

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Cleaver Riot gives all your creatures double strike. Imagine how good Delver would be with double strike.



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on an actual serious note, i agree that white is losing a lot of power.  better yet, it should be phrased as it is losing a lot of known power.  in my mind, day of judgment going away is a big one.  i remember the sheer madness of that summer in which m10 was released an immediately killed of 10ed.  no wrath of god?!?  wtf?!!??1?  yea, that really hurt white based control decks that now had to rely on hallowed burial.  we had no knowledge of the soon to come day of judgment.  i'm really, really hoping that there will continue to be a 4 mana sweeper for white, since it really makes or breaks control of that nature.  they probably killed it off though since pushing their crazy creature intense format (THANK GOD that zac hill is leaving, btw), but only time will tell with RTR.

so basically, white is only going to be a support color, as far as i can tell... which is the case now, but will hold more true.

on a different note.... 


soooo.....

what are we supposed to play for removal at rotation?  murder?  really?        

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I'm sure White is going to be more than fine.
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Chapion of the Parish
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Lingering Souls
Serra Avenger
Defy Death
Oblivion Ring

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I'm sure White is going to be more than fine.



not if we go with these cards alone.....

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not if we go with these cards alone.....


Care to list out blue, black, red, and green? 
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not if we go with these cards alone.....


Care to list out blue, black, red, and green? 



not at all

when will avacyn ever see play?  all i'm saying is that based on that list, i wouldn't be excited to play white.  a lot of those cards don't fit together.  yea, enough of them are fine, but they don't make a deck. 

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Gosh, do some work for yourself. The decks are there. If you don't like Avacyn, fine, but there are more than enough cards in WHITE post rotation to start kicking tush, from WW, to UW miracles, to whatever else floats your boat.

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on a different note.... 


soooo.....

what are we supposed to play for removal at rotation?  murder?  really?        


i've been wondering this myself actually. we have:
tragic slip
searing spear
pillar of flame
victim of night
brimstone volley
murder

?
on a different note.... 


soooo.....

what are we supposed to play for removal at rotation?  murder?  really?        


i've been wondering this myself actually. we have:
tragic slip
searing spear
pillar of flame
victim of night
brimstone volley
murder

?



Maybe they'll print some kind of block-specific card, a la Go for the Throat. Like : Destroy target monocolored creature. Or maybe multicolored. Admittedly, either one sounds pretty unversatile, especially next to Gofer. Something like Smother would be better.
on a different note.... 


soooo.....

what are we supposed to play for removal at rotation?  murder?  really?        


i've been wondering this myself actually. we have:
tragic slip
searing spear
pillar of flame
victim of night
brimstone volley
murder

?



You also have the sweepers... Bonfire of the damned, Mutilate, and Blast Act.


White is fine, remember the best deck in block was BW tokens and had to banned in order to make the format work. So White is doing fine there. It also has the best creature in the format, Angel. O-ring is a tried and tested answer, not necessarily amazing, but generally pretty sturdy and reliable, especially with swords leaving which takes more nautralizes out of people's SB's etc.

Geist is UW, and is the most aggressively costed beat stick in the format. Some kind of UW Geist-angel deck is clearly going to be good. We still have thought scour and pike, and with no DOJ, Invisible stalker gets better so we end up with a gesit-pike-stalker build probably.

W/x humans was always kicking around a bit, with no gut shot anymore, Champion of the parish is strong and can be grown with all your dudes that don't worry about wrath(just bonfire and bad decks runnign mutilate). But Champion is usually ahead of sweepers when dropped early. The curve of champion-gather-paladin seems like a good way to attack for 3 on turn 2 and 10 on turn three. Fiend hunter gets mroe value due to removal basically going away.

White is one of the strongest colours in standard now, and will be in October as well. Obviously stuff can change with RtR. Black is zombies or bust(BR zombies will be tier one for sure), G/x(Jund, naya etc, generic midrange beat down), U/w is fine(Neo-delver, probably more white than before, and splashing thanks to shocks). Spare a thought for red, without clinging lightly onto ramp decks as a sweeper, it's relegated to being a "splash for bonfire" and nothing else colour.
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White is either the best or second-best colour in the format come rotation.

Green is the other best or second-best.

Then is black.

Then blue, depending on how Ravnica rewards it over black.

Then, as usual, is red. 
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Bad decks running mutilate? Whatever man. I actually have a really strong pile of cards using Mutilate. It's nearly boring to run. I've made a lot of MBC in the past few years but this one is very viable. Just sucks that half the cards rotate in 4 weeks I'll have to run some Forests or Mountains to get all of the new insano cards.



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This made me laugh a lot more than it should have.

Yea, in all honesty white looks fine to me. You have 2 of the 3 best creatures in Standard (Geist/Resto Angel), you have probably the best overall removal spell (Oblivion Ring), and there's plenty of other playables in Innistrad block and already spoiled (Judge's Familiar, Dryad Militant, Champion of the Parish, Sigarda, a few others I'm forgetting or too lazy to recall).

If you want to see what a bad color looks like, go look at Red or Black. Red has Bonfire + Mizzium Mortars and 200 unplayable cards. Black has a gang of Zombies and a big pile of crap.


Maybe they'll print some kind of block-specific card, a la Go for the Throat. Like : Destroy target monocolored creature. Or maybe multicolored. Admittedly, either one sounds pretty unversatile, especially next to Gofer. Something like Smother would be better.


Wow, spot on! Must be LSV or some CFB crony in disguise .
OR just really good at evaluating the MTG card scene.
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Maybe they'll print some kind of block-specific card, a la Go for the Throat. Like : Destroy target monocolored creature. Or maybe multicolored. Admittedly, either one sounds pretty unversatile, especially next to Gofer. Something like Smother would be better.


Wow, spot on! Must be LSV or some CFB crony in disguise .
OR just really good at evaluating the MTG card scene.




Its not really all that unreasonable, and it was something that Black really needed to have (2 drop kill spell)

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Maybe they'll print some kind of block-specific card, a la Go for the Throat. Like : Destroy target monocolored creature. Or maybe multicolored. Admittedly, either one sounds pretty unversatile, especially next to Gofer. Something like Smother would be better.


Wow, spot on! Must be LSV or some CFB crony in disguise .
OR just really good at evaluating the MTG card scene.



Nope, I'm none of those things. It's just that it seems like most blocks have a Doom Blade variant that cares about a block theme (Gofer, Victim of Night). I was honestly slightly underwhelmed when I first saw this spoiled, but the more I think about it, the better it seems. Still doesn't look as good as Gofer, but good all the same. I just wonder how often it will be dead in hand (gofer never is nowadays, in my experience).

Edit: In a way I called Abrupt Decay with 'something like Smother'. Maybe I am a visionary after all.