Rotation Discussion - Topic 1 - Triage

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I know there's a lot of problems with rotation discussion. I harp on it myself. We cannot discuss decklists since we're missing a set of cards. That's completely correct.

What I think we can do for the next week to ten days (to get us started on something productive) is talk about Tier 1 and 2 deck triage. In the coming weeks as we learn more firm details on the new set I'll create more Rotation Discussion threads.

Triage


1. the process of sorting victims, as of a battle or disaster, todetermine medical priority in order to increase the number ofsurvivors.


2. the determination of priorities for action in an emergency.

I'm going to opt with definition #1 for this exercise.

In order to make this actionable let's group survivors into 3 categories:
1. Survives with no problems. These guys get a band-aid and are shown the door to get back to work.
2. Significant injuries. We need to identify the work to be done to them and could pencil in possible replacements.
3. Nearly dead on arrival. These decks need morphine and someone nice to listen to them while they're on their way out for the next few weeks.

I'll start with a Tier 2 deck, MBC. No matter your build (Midrange, Trading Post Durdling, or Classic Control style) you are suffering serious injuries, some lists with as many as 30 cards heading out. I believe there are many serviceable replacements but it needs to be worked on systematically to fight for its survival.

MBC = Category 2.

Who else wants to take a turn?

***In order to keep this from degrading please do not perform baseless conjecture on the new set releasing in 6 weeks. Simply pinpoint your losses and feel free to point at a few currently existing replacements that may need to be relied on.*** 

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B/X zombies should be somewhere between a 1 and a 2, while leaning closer to 1. The biggest thing it loses is mortarpod (which hurts quite a bit). We have a couple of replacements in the form of creatures though *at the moment* but no where near as strong. I don't know how to tier B/X zombies though, I am willing to try my hand at a primer if people are still looking for one while I'm off work for medical reasons.

R/G aggro is at 0 though. It loses almost nothing and continues to smash face.
Im going to venture as far to say that Delver is category 2-3.

The way I think of it, sure, it still has its body. It has its namesake, delver, along with a lot of its power, geist, resto angel, depending on builds it has invisible stalker, it could fall back on mooreland haunt if it had to, still has pike. Losing image is probably the worst creature loss. Hero of bladehold hurts too, but not as bad as image.

So at this point our patient was in a car accident and broke their arm.  Which isnt too bad, since there will obviously be some creature as good as hero in rtr, so we put a cast on it and its fine... but theres also this massive laceration at the neck that wont stop bleeding.

Its losing almost all of its instants and sorceries. Mana leak, ponder, snag, probe. Thats the deck. Without those cards snapcaster is just a 2/1 with flash. And delver needs them to flip. Pike isnt good without them in the gy. You cant live without blood. And at this rate, its going to need a lot of donors to make it out alive.
I agree with both comments so far, RG being not even in the hospital. B/x (probably red) zombies being in need of a band-aid and Delver needing some reconstructive surgery.

What else we got? 

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Any sort of reanimation will be dealt a good amount of damage with the loss of titans and wurmcoil, the main reasons for playing the deck. Grislybear is still around but meh. A whole new creature base is pretty much necissary. The spellbase won't need much but I'd say a category 2 for Reanimation? I've only encountered one version, but it seems like those titans and wurmcoil are going to be pretty nasty to lose 

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Goblins will probably cripple a little bit losing grenade and hastey lord. Not too bad but they will give enemy an entire turn to deal with krenko unless they run fervor

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I don't even know why RDW iit still listed as tier 1, but here are just a few of the cards it is losing:








and that's just off the top of my head. I'm thinking your triage needs a category 4 - harvest the organs and notify the family.
Next thing you will tell me Browbeat is bad.
I don't even know why RDW iit still listed as tier 1, but here are just a few of the cards it is losing:


Nobody attends to the section much after the first few months of rotation.

That said, UW tempo will continue to be a deck. Zac Hill said that it had become one of their major archtypes. It might not be as good as it is nowm but I'm willing to bet it will continue to be T1, simply due to everybody having the expensive cards already (Snaps and Geist)

Reanimator will likely be T2, unless there's some new sick new reanimation spell (we already have targets in Griselbrisel and Gisela which are sick)

Like others have said, Zombies will be fine. Losing Mortarpod will be the slightest of dents in the deck, but it is easily replaced with other spells. 

I'm more interested in what is going to be ADDED with the addition of RTR. Hope it'll balance out the meta. 

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B/U zombies is getting hit pretty hard.  Losing metamorphs and phantasmal images will hurt.  Some builds are running ponder and geth's verdict.  The aforementioned mortarpod as well.

B/R zombies - cat 1.
B/U zombies - cat 2. They still have their lords. 
Mono black - I'll say cat 3.  Between all of the targeted removal and the loss of both obliterator and lashwrithe, the entire deck may need to be reworked.
Zombie pod? Well, no pod so I'm going to say without some other fetch mechanism, it's effectively dead.

All infect decks are dead (obviously), so is tempered steel.
Turbo fog will become mind sculpt, so if anyone is still playing it, we should probably let them know they can stop doing CPR. 
Next thing you will tell me Browbeat is bad.
BU zombies is the inferior version anyway. Betting that zombies will just become Grixis, splashing only blue for the captain.

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This is all great information. I'll run through the posts today or tomorrow and start updating the OP.

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B/r Zombies - category 0

As he approached the blazing/smoldering pileup, B/r Zombies hit the eject button and extended both middle fingers toward the wailing suvivors, cackling with glee as his parachute set him down gently in a corn field, whence he totally scored with both of the farm owner's hot daughters.

Translation: Zombies loses approximately nothing (Mortarpod hasn't even been ridiculous lately, will miss Geth's Verdict and Blackcleave Cliffs, admittedly) and their replacements are baked right into Innistrad block, assuming absolutely nothing of value comes from Rav2.

Elves Combo - This deck probably stays the same, whilst it loses GSZ, Gut shot leaving the format means it's a lot harder to disrupt. Llanowar and BOP leave, but I imagine we'll be seeing BOP and probably some kind of relevant elf for sure in the upcoming set. Shards lands become shocks, and DOJ leaving could hepl here also, however I imagine we get DOJ in the block at some point. Blade Splicer going helps this deck not get first striked out of combat as well. No Titans means the top end of thrag, soul and behemoth outclass other end games as well. Doom Blade and GFTT being no more makes it's angels harder to kill, and it's fatties much more dominant, turn three thragtusks from the deck will be a common sight and much more difficult to deal with.
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Elves Combo - Whilst it loses GSZ, Gut shot leaving the format means it's a lot harder to disrupt. Llanowar and BOP leave, but I imagine we'll be seeing BOP and probably some kind of relevant elf for sure in the upcoming set. Shards lands become shocks, and DOJ leaving could hepl here also, however I imagine we get DOJ in the block at some point. Blade Splicer going helps this deck not get first striked out of combat as well. No Titans means the top end of thrag, soul and behemoth outclass other end games as well. Doom Blade and GFTT being no more makes it's angels harder to kill, and it's fatties much more dominant, turn three thragtusks from the deck will be a common sight and much more difficult to deal with.



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Losing GSZ, llanowars and birds makes the deck a whole let less consistent. They're left to rely on Arbor elf and a non-elf, pilgrim to make t1 mana?

If they don't get another effective 1 drop that deck is toast. it needs the cheap mana + body redundancy. We'll put it in category 2. 

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Delver - 2
Pod - 3
RDW Variant - 1
Junk Tokens - 1
U/W Midrange/Tempo - 2
Wolf-Run - 1/2
Zombies - 1
Frites - 1? 
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57092228 wrote:
What's wrong with my formating?
you make paragraphs shorter than the page width
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Names that sam said were "the evil ones":
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B/r Zombies - category 0

As he approached the blazing/smoldering pileup, B/r Zombies hit the eject button and extended both middle fingers toward the wailing suvivors, cackling with glee as his parachute set him down gently in a corn field, whence he totally scored with both of the farm owner's hot daughters.


I laughed in spite of myself.
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92827575 wrote:
57092228 wrote:
What's wrong with my formating?
you make paragraphs shorter than the page width
58280978 wrote:
Names that sam said were "the evil ones":
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Losing GSZ, llanowars and birds makes the deck a whole let less consistent. They're left to rely on Arbor elf and a non-elf, pilgrim to make t1 mana?

If they don't get another effective 1 drop that deck is toast. it needs the cheap mana + body redundancy. We'll put it in category 2. 



doesn't the deck really, really, really need genesis wave (is that what its called?) to do well?  wave is often an insta-win if X=8.

correct me if i'm wrong.

and wolf run ramp decks are dead.  not having prime **** means they die and don't come back.  its not to say other ramp decks can't exist, but they won't be anything like what we have known over the last few years of simply ramping into a prime **** and winning from there.  i like to think if ramp continues to exist, it will be like ramp decks of old, more of a control deck (remember snow ramp decks that used skred and into the north?  that's what i'm talking about).  these decks could really use another harmonize, i don't know if garruk is enough.

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Grand Architect decks lose almost everything post rotation:
-No Architect.
-No Phantasmal Image.
-No Phyrexian Metamorph.
-No Mana Leak or Vapor Snag.
-No Ponder or Gitaxian Probe.
-No Wurmcoil Engine.
-No Batterskull.

I mean, all you're really left with is a pile of lands and a Snapcaster Mage......

So yeah, on a 1-3 triage scale, I'd check that deck into the ER at a 4 (DOA).

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@biotech66 aren't you the boss anyway? isn't "DO IT OR I FIRE YOU!" still an option?

@mikemearls I think Perkins would throat punch me if I ever tried that. And I'd give him a glowing quarterly review for it.

Genesis Wave for 8? The truth is, the decks can run Primal Surge just as easily. "ELF" decks are 1.5-2 simply due to the loss of 8 1-drops. And maybe archdruid because i cannot remember if he got reprinted.

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Genesis Wave for 8? The truth is, the decks can run Primal Surge just as easily. "ELF" decks are 1.5-2 simply due to the loss of 8 1-drops. And maybe archdruid because i cannot remember if he got reprinted.



It was reprinted.

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56945988 wrote:
Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
58331438 wrote:
57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
57817638 wrote:
I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
76973988 wrote:
How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
82423538 wrote:
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82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
57617478 wrote:
Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
Show
to get to the other side
89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
56957928 wrote:
56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
79035425 wrote:
Shortly before Serra died, she transferred her spark into an angel whose full name was Asha Avacyn Bolas. Her dragon father groomed her for her positions in Alara and Innistrad, and she's also been getting help from her uncle Ugin in the form of Urza, who was resurrected as Marit Lage to be the avatar as which she projects herself into material realms. Grieslbrand is a split personality who sometimes wanders the planes disguised as a human woman named Liliana Vess.
97610188 wrote:
Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
93446159 wrote:
Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
57461258 wrote:
And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
56776038 wrote:
122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
56957928 wrote:
82423538 wrote:
If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
89522235 wrote:
Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
142055101 wrote:
But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
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L, is for the leather gloves you weaaaar. O, is for the organs that guy could spaaaare. V, is very very, extraordinay. E, is for every vagrant i butchered in a wine cellar befooooore.
57052258 wrote:
The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
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88993869 wrote:
Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
56957928 wrote:
"Do or do not, there is no try." - Albus Dumbledore, The Lord of the Rings.
89522235 wrote:
68978039 wrote:
Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
89522235 wrote:
I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
97820278 wrote:
139359831 wrote:
Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
56957928 wrote:
I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
56957928 wrote:
And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
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GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
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Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
76783093 wrote:
I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
191752181 wrote:
MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
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192729031 wrote:
You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
56874518 wrote:
It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
192931349 wrote:
Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
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77120821 wrote:
Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
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Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

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JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

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Not sure if grixis control fits the bill but its what i play and I can tell you that its taking a hefty toll. I would probably rate it a 2 possibly 3, but there are a few decent replacement cards so far. What I will be missing:
Pristine talisman
Grave Titan
Whipflare
Slagstorm
BSZ
Doom blade
Gftt
Ponder
Mana leak

Hopefully RTR will bring some good spot removal. Or else my deck will become even less competitive.
Oops not exactly tier 1 or 2. Should've read op more thoroughly.
Pure control decks never really die because you aren't reliant on any one specific card; all you need is just a handful of decent answers and you're in business. While the viability of Grixis control can go up or down depending on the love we get in RtR, I doubt it will take a truly big hit from the rotation.

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I think that this sort of thing deserves another topic (decks which get better post rotation that already exsist) what about B/W Tokens? I'm trying to figure out a good list so that I can get the cards before rotation.

Also, though it (inexplicably) isn't seeing much play, its fair to say that Tempered Steel decks will be in the morgue when rotation comes, as the deck was a scars block thing, like Infect. 

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Well yeah.. losing, y'know, TEMPERED STEEL from out of Tempered Steel decks seems a might backbreaking.. or were you being sarcastic?

BW or Esper Tokens is gonna be a thing.  I've been saying this for months, but lawd help us all when Ratchet Bomb rotates.  As far as specific lists, obviously that's not even plausible at this point, but I'd just say picking up a couple extra sets of Lingering Souls would be perfectly prudent, since right now that card alone is the deck.

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Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.
Islands wrote:
Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.
Yea I suppose your right chin. If we get another cantrip maybe one more decent spot removal and a sweeper( not asking for much here ;D) I will be fairly content. This may be a bit too off topic but with infect essentially dying out, do you think they might bring it back in the near future? Infect and proliferate were some if my fav new mechanics.
If they ever do Return to Scars of Mirrodin, then yeah, they might revisit it. 

catowner wrote:
Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.
Islands wrote:
Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.
I could see them making another apperance if the phyrexians rediscover how to cross planes. But Wizards won't have that happen for a few years (probably 2-3 years, at least) because Nicol Bolas is the big bad guy, and they want to tap as much in terms of storyline as they can from him before they move on to Tezz/Phyrexia.

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Well yeah.. losing, y'know, TEMPERED STEEL from out of Tempered Steel decks seems a might backbreaking.. or were you being sarcastic?

BW or Esper Tokens is gonna be a thing.  I've been saying this for months, but lawd help us all when Ratchet Bomb rotates.  As far as specific lists, obviously that's not even plausible at this point, but I'd just say picking up a couple extra sets of Lingering Souls would be perfectly prudent, since right now that card alone is the deck.


i'm pretty sure that junk colors is much more likely for a tokens deck than esper.  blue offers nothing, but green will offer a lot.... ALOT!

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i'm pretty sure that junk colors is much more likely for a tokens deck than esper.  blue offers nothing, but green will offer a lot.... ALOT!


Talrand seems good.  Just to say.

catowner wrote:
Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.
Islands wrote:
Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.
Well yeah.. losing, y'know, TEMPERED STEEL from out of Tempered Steel decks seems a might backbreaking.. or were you being sarcastic?

BW or Esper Tokens is gonna be a thing.  I've been saying this for months, but lawd help us all when Ratchet Bomb rotates.  As far as specific lists, obviously that's not even plausible at this point, but I'd just say picking up a couple extra sets of Lingering Souls would be perfectly prudent, since right now that card alone is the deck.


i'm pretty sure that junk colors is much more likely for a tokens deck than esper.  blue offers nothing, but green will offer a lot.... ALOT!



Favorable Winds and Drogskol Captain are good for Spirit token builds. Negate out of the sideboard also fights sweepers.

Edit: Then again, Triumph of the Hordes would be a neat way to win.
So... need Isolated Chapels, Woodland Cemeteries, Sorin LoI, Lingering Souls, Intangible Virture... I really think that the debate between WBU and WBG tokens deserves its own thread.

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The catch is if you're using Blue for Favorable Winds and maybe Drogskol Captain do you really need Sorin if the only synnergy is making +1/0 emblems? Making vampires isn't very synergistic to the other two lord effects you'll use and as such you'll rarely get to ultimate him.

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Sorin LoI always seems like a win-more card to me.  He shines in the company of other planeswalkers, but on his own always seems to disappoint.  Ability #1 is okay, but the tokens don't fly.  Ability #2 is nice, but not amazing.  He's rarely around for his ultimate unless you have some other, better planeswalker on the board.


What's the expectation in Green for tokens in RtR?  Right now, that is basically nonexistent except for the oddball Kessig Cagebreakers.  Fungal Sprouting is kind of useful in Limited, but doesn't seem like it will get much play in Constructed.

You must not have been around for the original Ravnica, Xylove. There was this guild called Selesnya, white/green, that revolved around tokens. Their new ability is supposed to be "populate," which gives you copies of tokens.


So yeah, there will be tokens. As for cards in Innistrad, most of them are black or white, but we also get Garruk, who gives you a 2/2 wolf EVERY TURN.

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You must not have been around for the original Ravnica, Xylove. There was this guild called Selesnya, white/green, that revolved around tokens. Their new ability is supposed to be "populate," which gives you copies of tokens.

So yeah, there will be tokens. 

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The catch is if you're using Blue for Favorable Winds and maybe Drogskol Captain do you really need Sorin if the only synnergy is making +1/0 emblems? Making vampires isn't very synergistic to the other two lord effects you'll use and as such you'll rarely get to ultimate him.


Whoa sir, nobody ever said anything about Sorin.  I had a BW tokens deck a month or so ago, and freakin' Sorin of all things didn't make the cut.  He's just intensely bad.  I mean it's really impressive how bad he is.  At least Garruk 3.0 is a 4 mana removal spell at worst.  Maybe post rotation standard will be weak/slow/durdly enough, but now, heck no.  I will laugh Sorin out of town.

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Welcome to 2012. Blue has the most efficient creatures, black has the all-in monocolored aggro deck, the most controlling deck in the format is green-red, control decks lose to aggro in attrition wars, and counterspells aren't an answer to fatties.
Islands wrote:
Pack Rat is like Bitterblossom and Tarmogoyf had a black baby.

Sublime Archangle has shown promising in BW tokens for me. You can attack with a massive guy and hold up blockers. Post sweeper it's nuts, drop her, untap and make souls and flash it back, in for 9.....

Restoration angel is also fine for the slot. I've got a few BW and BW/x builds (Where I have spaces on the curve depending on what comes along) that seem good.

Also, anyone who doesn't have zombies ready to go post rotation is making an error.
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Sublime Archangle has shown promising in BW tokens for me. You can attack with a massive guy and hold up blockers. Post sweeper it's nuts, drop her, untap and make souls and flash it back, in for 9.....

Restoration angel is also fine for the slot. I've got a few BW and BW/x builds (Where I have spaces on the curve depending on what comes along) that seem good.

Also, anyone who doesn't have zombies ready to go post rotation is making an error.



What do you mean? I don't have 3 playsets of Gravecrawlers and Geralf's Messengers ready to trade away in a month >.>

 

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