UR Delver Suggestions

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Greetings everyone, 

So I did FMN on Friday with my latest UR Delver design. It did well most of the night. Didn't give some a chance in hell and frustrated others. But, it still went 6/3 for the night in four rounds. Infect and Heavy Aggro decks seem to be an issue. That comprised my 3 losses. In the end I beat the Infect 2/1 but got anihilated by an Aggro Deck focusing heavily on Wurmcoil Engine and Phyrexian Metamorph. Here is what I've got, any suggestions?

U/R Delver: 

Creatures: 15
4x Delver of Secrets
2x Augur of Bolas
2x Phantasmal Image
4x Snapcaster Mage
3x Talrand, Sky Summoner

Spells: 25
3x Bonfire of the Damned 
2x Gitaxian Probe
2x Mutagenic Growth
3x Pillar of Flame
4x Ponder
3x Vapor Snag
4x Mana Leak
2x Think Twice 
2x Talrand's Invocation

Land: 20
3x Evolving Wilds
9x Island 
4x Mountain
4x Sulfur Falls

Sideboard: 15
1x Bonfire of the Damned
2x Unsummon
2x Downpour
2x Mindshrieker
2x Runechanter's Pike
2x Sleep
2x Talrand's Invocation
2x Temporal Mastery
 
I would up to the full 4 Vapor Snags. I would also cut the Think twice for either Thought Scour or a cheap burn spell. 3 Evolving wilds seems a little unnecessary; you dont want to start out with them. Ideally it would be turn 1: Island-> Delver/Ponder/ Probe.
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- 2 Talrands Invocation
- 2 Think Twice
-1 Bonfire
-2 Phantasmal Image

+2 Gitaxian Probe
+ 2 Thought Scour
+2 Runechanters Pike
+1 Vapor Snag

Pike makes any of your guys a threat in the late game, while Thought Scour fuels it.

You want the full 4 probes, especially cause of Talrand. It does more for the list being "free" than Think Twice does.

Also it may sound crazy but I feel 2 bonfires is the right number for any deck. You don't really want to see it in your opener..buy you do obviously want to see at least 1 throughout the game
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Thanks, for the comments.

You're probably right about the Probes I wasn't thinking about the "Free" option and with the Think Twice I was counting on flashback to feed Talrand. But I agree that the Thought Scour can help the Pike.

I'll try it out.
Also don't forget Thought Scour lets you milk unwanted cards you peek at with Delver in your upkeep, effectively letting you draw 2 instead of 1. I'm sure you already knew this but just in case you didn't there you go,
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-3 Wilds -2 Invocation -2 Think Twice -1 Mutagenic -1 Bonfire
+ 2 Desolate Lighthouse +1 Hellion Crucible +2 Pike/SoBaM/SoFaF +2 Probe +1 Smelt +1 Snag +1 Flames of the Firebrand

Those are my suggestions for the MD

This is a sample of what I'd do for the Sideboard

3 Mental Misstep
3 Dissipate
2 Sleep
2 Act of Aggression
2 Combust
2 Smelt
1 Bonfire of the Damned
2:25 PM sneakattackkid: my basics are worth more... 5:21 PM Nighthavk_: I was splitting more 8-4s than a hooker splits her legs. 11:42 PM Nighthavk_: because honestly, your opponent may be caw, but he'll probably be a drooling idiot who just found out porn exists.
-3 Wilds -2 Invocation -2 Think Twice -1 Mutagenic -1 Bonfire
+ 2 Desolate Lighthouse +1 Hellion Crucible +2 Pike/SoBaM/SoFaF +2 Probe +1 Smelt +1 Snag +1 Flames of the Firebrand

Those are my suggestions for the MD

This is a sample of what I'd do for the Sideboard

3 Mental Misstep
3 Dissipate
2 Sleep
2 Act of Aggression
2 Combust
2 Smelt
1 Bonfire of the Damned


Lighthouse was embarrasing when I played UR. I cut the hell out of it.
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-3 Wilds -2 Invocation -2 Think Twice -1 Mutagenic -1 Bonfire
+ 2 Desolate Lighthouse +1 Hellion Crucible +2 Pike/SoBaM/SoFaF +2 Probe +1 Smelt +1 Snag +1 Flames of the Firebrand

Those are my suggestions for the MD

This is a sample of what I'd do for the Sideboard

3 Mental Misstep
3 Dissipate
2 Sleep
2 Act of Aggression
2 Combust
2 Smelt
1 Bonfire of the Damned


Lighthouse was embarrasing when I played UR. I cut the hell out of it.

Gotta disagree, Lighthouse does crap when Delver is in God mode, otherwise it helps get rid of the lands that so often flood delver.
2:25 PM sneakattackkid: my basics are worth more... 5:21 PM Nighthavk_: I was splitting more 8-4s than a hooker splits her legs. 11:42 PM Nighthavk_: because honestly, your opponent may be caw, but he'll probably be a drooling idiot who just found out porn exists.
I ran UR delver at my FNM two weeks straight, and kept getting ganked by Naya pod / RG aggro...

I had 2x zealous conscripts and 2x mark of mutiny in my SB which i seemed to perpetually side in (lots of naya, wolf run, and RG aggro in my meta)...I found i pretty much never sided in my disspiates...

maybe add zealous or mark of mutiny / act of treason? 
I ran UR delver at my FNM two weeks straight, and kept getting ganked by Naya pod / RG aggro...

I had 2x zealous conscripts and 2x mark of mutiny in my SB which i seemed to perpetually side in (lots of naya, wolf run, and RG aggro in my meta)...I found i pretty much never sided in my disspiates...

maybe add zealous or mark of mutiny / act of treason? 



Delver traditionally has a bad matchup against R/G.  (When talking about deliver, I think a "bad" matchup is like 50%Tongue Out)  this is why most delver lists, even the U/W lists, are starting to run main deck gut shot.  If you fry their early accelerators, you should be able to ride your vapor snags the rest of the way.
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I ran UR delver at my FNM two weeks straight, and kept getting ganked by Naya pod / RG aggro...

I had 2x zealous conscripts and 2x mark of mutiny in my SB which i seemed to perpetually side in (lots of naya, wolf run, and RG aggro in my meta)...I found i pretty much never sided in my disspiates...

maybe add zealous or mark of mutiny / act of treason? 



Delver traditionally has a bad matchup against R/G.  (When talking about deliver, I think a "bad" matchup is like 50%)  this is why most delver lists, even the U/W lists, are starting to run main deck gut shot.  If you fry their early accelerators, you should be able to ride your vapor snags the rest of the way.




i don't think adding gut shots to delver is anything 'new'

sometimes they have more mana dorks / birds than you have gutshots...and most of the time vs R/G or Naya they will have more monstrous creatures than you will have leaks / snags...