VCL: What needs doing.

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It seems a few things are out of order. So in an effort to save time and to get some cleaning done please let me know of any problems in this thread so I can immediatly deal with them.

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I don't see many problems, but here's my list:

1. There's some randomly created threads in the Tournament Centre forums. Move those please.
2. We need to clear out the non Tiered decks from the TC.
    a. Tier 1 should be GR Aggro, Delver, WG Pod (naya and bant can go in here, but if its easier to just keep a pod thread no problem im sure since we cant find volunteers to make primers usually), B/x Zombies, Frites, and maybe Esper Midrange (this might need to be Tier 2).
    b. Tier 2 should be Kessig Blue Ramp, MBC (oddly enough). Esper Midrange depending on some concensus.

It'd be great if we could get some help from others on this since I don't spend a lot of time studying 5ks and PTQ results now that my season is over.

Then October 1st it'd be nice if you came back through and moved any threads that are decimated by rotation (Pod, maybe Delver). I intend to make a Post Rotation discussion thread in 2 weeks in the General forum. Hopefully we can get things sorted out by then to be helpful.

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Niche you don't think Humans has a place in T2 still?
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Niche you don't think Humans has a place in T2 still?


still?  it was never really a deck

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I don't see many problems, but here's my list:

1. There's some randomly created threads in the Tournament Centre forums. Move those please.
2. We need to clear out the non Tiered decks from the TC.
    a. Tier 1 should be GR Aggro, Delver, WG Pod (naya and bant can go in here, but if its easier to just keep a pod thread no problem im sure since we cant find volunteers to make primers usually), B/x Zombies, Frites, and maybe Esper Midrange (this might need to be Tier 2).
    b. Tier 2 should be Kessig Blue Ramp, MBC (oddly enough). Esper Midrange depending on some concensus.

It'd be great if we could get some help from others on this since I don't spend a lot of time studying 5ks and PTQ results now that my season is over.

Then October 1st it'd be nice if you came back through and moved any threads that are decimated by rotation (Pod, maybe Delver). I intend to make a Post Rotation discussion thread in 2 weeks in the General forum. Hopefully we can get things sorted out by then to be helpful.



Still do not see a big point for the T2 area but I will clean it up and the T1 area, and yes I will try and ghost a bit more and once the rotation happens I will make sure things look tidy.

That being said when it comes to what decks go into those areas I will go over numbers and so forth and try and get it done by the end of the week, I work two jobs now so I will be doing it in my free time. Any other concerns of general problems?

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We're all set here otherwise I think.

Been self policing decently enough.. maybe only half a dozen orcs have come through lately. =)

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Eh while I know my W/X humans thread isnt teir 1 material anymore, I say slide it down to teir 2 since folks still noodle with the deck and need at least a way to see how its made atm before the meta shift.

I'm also tempted to say we use Mr Indigo's Blood Pain Zombie thread over in deck help as our zombies thread since it deals with both b/u and b/r zombie builds. Unless someone wants to make the zombies AT thread.
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do elves and monoblack control deserve places anywhere in the tiers?



MBC - maybe

elves - um, yea, NO 

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MBC more now than ever in the past year or so. It has spiked a few events.

However when October hits you'll be faced with the tough decision of toss it, because its gutted... or keep it just so the Standard Deck Help forum doesn't get littered with MBC threads. That was half the impetus for putting it there last time... easily located central place to collect MBC posts. I hope you don't need a reminder of how many there would be otherwise.

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MBC more now than ever in the past year or so. It has spiked a few events.

However when October hits you'll be faced with the tough decision of toss it, because its gutted... or keep it just so the Standard Deck Help forum doesn't get littered with MBC threads. That was half the impetus for putting it there last time... easily located central place to collect MBC posts. I hope you don't need a reminder of how many there would be otherwise.



Well having UB control in T1 hasn't quite helped getting a UB control thread or two every day or so in SDH. I feel like there needs to be stickied threads for threads like MBC in SDH because they're not too amazing but they're extremely popular (Vampires, I'm looking at you)

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Well that's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it.

Remember the Tier system is a show of popularity, not raw power. Which is why, oddly enough at times, MBC has a thread in the Tier 2 area. 

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If that's the case then BR vamps is extemely popular, and might fit into Tier 2. Just an observation, though. I spend a lot of time in the SDH since I enjoy deck building, and vampires seems to be the most popular deck idea with the Inni block having great vampire cards.

Just a suggestion, however. I'm not entirely sure how you guys do the tiers since I'm relatively new to the forums. 

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If that's the case then BR vamps is extemely popular, and might fit into Tier 2. Just an observation, though. I spend a lot of time in the SDH since I enjoy deck building, and vampires seems to be the most popular deck idea with the Inni block having great vampire cards.

Just a suggestion, however. I'm not entirely sure how you guys do the tiers since I'm relatively new to the forums. 


B/R Vamps is not a popular deck.

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If that's the case then BR vamps is extemely popular, and might fit into Tier 2. Just an observation, though. I spend a lot of time in the SDH since I enjoy deck building, and vampires seems to be the most popular deck idea with the Inni block having great vampire cards.

Just a suggestion, however. I'm not entirely sure how you guys do the tiers since I'm relatively new to the forums. 


B/R Vamps is not a popular deck.



Not big tourney popular, but it's everywhere at FNM's and in the SDH forum

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At our FNM standard last night out of 10 people there were 3 vamp decks... 3 really? So I can vouch for them being popular... but only popular not good
I usually get 6-8 in our 16 man fnms. They rarely win. Popular, not good.

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Wow. I've only seen them once, and people play all kinds of jank around here.

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It seems to be a new player thing... they all want to build tribes of some sort and the nes hot tribe right now because of nocturnus is vamps... we have quite a few new players because its summer and the students are all home still
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I would actually call the Elf combo deck a candidate for t2 thread worthy, because it is a known entity in the format, and one that does perform without just being some rando deck.Similarly the Mono-Green Infect combo decks deserve a t2 thread. I don't think any of the "tribal" decks really deserve a thread (they get plenty in the Casual Play forum). I also think there should be a U/X Control (Fog, Stonehorn, UB etc) for consideration as a catchall discussion for those.

Just my $.02 though I suppose.
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I don't think any of the "tribal" decks really deserve a thread (they get plenty in the Casual Play forum).



B/X Zombies is a big contender right now (helped make it to top 16 worlds at least) EDIT: Correction, helped win 2012 worlds for china.
Vampires? No. It's not good enough. If you make an argument for vamps then you make an argument for werewolves (which is significantly better then vamps atm but not t2 worthy).

Is it possible to make a popular deck page like the tier 1 and tier 2 deck ones? You can put stuff like vamps, B/W exalted and even battle of wits in it
Is it possible to make a popular deck page like the tier 1 and tier 2 deck ones? You can put stuff like vamps, B/W exalted and even battle of wits in it



There is an entire section of the forum dedicated to that sort of thing. But it rarely, if ever, gets updated because its a volunteer based thing and the pages get very few hits even when kept up to date.

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Where is it? Maybe if more people knows where it is it would get used more... or maybe if it was tied to stnadard somehow
Save me from this new guy who is out for my blood from the get-go in the MBC thread. I cannot get him to go away in a gentle manner and I don't want to accidentally violate the CoC. Probably going to ignore him, but he's also unnecessarily aggressive towards other posters so to me that seems like an issue for someone with authority to... assist. If it was just me it's an easy fix (ignore).

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It seems to be a new player thing... they all want to build tribes of some sort and the nes hot tribe right now because of nocturnus is vamps... we have quite a few new players because its summer and the students are all home still



Not just new players, unfortunately.  The guy who taught me how to play in 1995 brings his B/R vampire deck to FNM every week.  And he places in the bottom 8 every week.  Even after going 0-2 against door to nothingness, he still persists.
Next thing you will tell me Browbeat is bad.
casuals gonna casual.

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Not just new players, unfortunately.  The guy who taught me how to play in 1995 brings his B/R vampire deck to FNM every week.  And he places in the bottom 8 every week.  Even after going 0-2 against door to nothingness, he still persists.



Hey now, the important thing is if he's having fun doiong it.

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It seems to be a new player thing... they all want to build tribes of some sort and the nes hot tribe right now because of nocturnus is vamps... we have quite a few new players because its summer and the students are all home still



Not just new players, unfortunately.  The guy who taught me how to play in 1995 brings his B/R vampire deck to FNM every week.  And he places in the bottom 8 every week.  Even after going 0-2 against door to nothingness, he still persists.



Lol i didnt think they were that bad... But at least at my local game store all the newer guys want to build some kind of tribal deck(zombies, werewolves, vamps) its wierd i dont really understand what draws new players to those tribal deck... 

2. We need to clear out the non Tiered decks from the TC.
    a. Tier 1 should be GR Aggro, Delver, WG Pod (naya and bant can go in here, but if its easier to just keep a pod thread no problem im sure since we cant find volunteers to make primers usually), B/x Zombies, Frites, and maybe Esper Midrange (this might need to be Tier 2).
    b. Tier 2 should be Kessig Blue Ramp, MBC (oddly enough). Esper Midrange depending on some concensus.



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Tier1: Delver, Infect, Pod, Zombies, Wolf Run Ramp/Blue
Tier2: Gx Aggro, MBC, Trading Post, Ux Control
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A week ago we couldn't be sure Infect was really on the radar. Kessig Blue won 1 event... if it's taken a second it's Tier 2.. if its had 3 its Tier 1.

I don't mind if we stick G/x aggro in Tier 2.

We agree on everything else. Big lolwut. 

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I just looked here:

www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a...

and here:

www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.a...

and at the top 16 of the last two SCG open:

Counted 1 Esper Midrange, 1 Mono Black Trading Post, and 4 UWx Control

So retract my statement about a tier 2 Trading Post thread. However, UWx Control is played well to a small extent. Esper Midrange isn't even a blip on the radar.
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