Commander's Arsenal is overpriced

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All we're getting are a few reprints. There would have to be some seriously good EDH staples for me to want to buy it. The oversized cards are kind of a novelty too. I won't be able to trade them to a player or a card shop. Looks like you've lost my money this time around.
so far 3 cards are known
but 28 cards is a bit less than expected, and that is assuming the big and standard cards don't overlap
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so far 3 cards are known
but 28 cards is a bit less than expected, and that is assuming the big and standard cards don't overlap



The oversized cards are essentially valueless to players. Shops and wizards can sell them for high prices, but they immediately lose value for us. I can already buy singles of cards that I want in the set. It feels like it's going to be a flop to me, which is unfortunate because I want them to keep printing new cards later on down the line. 
I'm looking to get it online, so hopefully there is no overlap between oversized and normal so I get to use the full 28 cards

the spoiled art looks to be Command Tower which would be a real shame
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I agree, those cards need to be hardcore staples, I'm talking vindicate and  vampiric tutor level... Okay, maybe not quite, but they had better be some serious staples.
Probably.

Let's just hope that the rest of the cards are Sylvan Library level cards, not Command Tower level.

I really hope it is not Command Tower because it is in every one of the commander decks, so it isn't unique, new, exciting, and not really the kind of card you would want in a $75 set.  But I'm pretty sure it's in.

I was really hoping for a product like the Deckbuilder's toolkit with a bunch of common and uncommon staples, maybe a few splashed in rares, or a few commander creatures, and having a price around $40.  That's something I would jump at.  As for this, not so much.
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I was really hoping for a product like the Deckbuilder's toolkit with a bunch of common and uncommon staples, maybe a few splashed in rares, or a few commander creatures, and having a price around $40.  That's something I would jump at.  As for this, not so much.


I think that's what most of us were expecting. I too was hoping for a box containing commander staples like the Sol Ring and Lightning Greaves that were in the Commander decks. My imaginary version of the product contained 40 to 50 cards and was between $20 and $40. It also included regular sized versions of cool Commanders that are more expensive like a copy of Thraximundar to replace Nicol Bolas as my Grixis Commander.
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Objectively, the MSRP is about what you would expect to pay froo the components individually, taking into account what we already know and assuming lowball open-market prices for the ten oversized cards and the 16 unknown foils.

Subjectively this feels like very little product for an exorbitant amount of money. It's certainly beyond my means, but even if I could afford it, I simply don't like foils very much, so there's zero chance I'd buy one.
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Well it's safe to say the oversized cards will all be legendary creatures that can be used as commanders. So the other 18 cards have to be on the level of Sylvan Library to get close to the $75 dollar price tag.

Because you got this right now (based on my opinion):
Sleeves: $12
Life Counter: $3
+/- Counters: $2
Foil Alt Art Sylvan Library: $15
Foil Oversized Azusa: $.25
 
Total So far: $32.25

The only way that the oversized cards can provide more than a quarter of value is to be extremely rare portal three kingdoms legends. No other legend in the game has much of a price tag and the cards being oversized makes them near worthless. If all the oversized cards are lackluster legends then I would put the total value at $34.50 with 17 cards left. I don't think it's reasonable to expect all the cards to be near sylvan Library's value and power level, nor do I think each card will have alternate art. Because of this getting to that $75 tag is going to be very close.

Edit: I did some math. The other 17 cards just have to attain a value of at least $3 a card to get up to $75. That also includes the $5 of tax or shipping you pay to get the set.
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The fact is we don't know if it's overpriced or not.  I'm trying to be optimistic.  Sylvan Library is awesome, so I'm hoping the rest of the set is around its level.  However, I am extremely disappointed in WotC's continued insistence on these oversized cards.  They're completely useless.  I don't use them, and I have yet to meet anyone that does.  The fact that their inclusion takes up space that could be filled with cards I would actually use is very disappointing.

I'd also like WotC to realize that Ultra Pro sleeves are shoddy and poorly made.  In my experience, DragonShield, Max Protection and Perfect Fit are much more durable and long-lasting than Ultra Pro.

I really, really like the life counter, though.

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Who is this product even for? Casual players are less likely than any other player to shell out $75 for a 'premium' product. The people that do want this product likely don't care about the oversized foils or Commander; They just want the Legacy staples. Is this set going to be about pleasing the Commander players that likely won't buy the product or is it about reprinting staples?  All I can see is WotC spreading their product too thin in an attempt to please a larger portion of their playerbase. 

I will only buy this product if the contents are worth far more than retail price. 
The 'all-foil' part clinched it for me: I won't be getting this, no matter how cool the contents or the pricetag.  As GoTexans and RxPhantom point out, depending on what other cards are in there will dictate if that price is too much or not.

I do hope that they continue to print Sylvan Library-quality cards, though, if only because that provides hope that the Commander stuff next year will contain nonfoil versions of whatever is in here.

That said, the spoiled art on Magic Arcana has to be Command Tower.  The EDH players I know despise floating cards between their decks, so having access to more Command Towers (especially shiny alt-art ones) available is better for them, and presumably, the community as a whole.

Here's hoping that the rest of the cards are worthwhile!

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See, the problem is there are places like my old group that don't appreciate decks packed full of card like duel lands and sol rings and junk. To really be worth the money means I can never really use it.
Well it's safe to say the oversized cards will all be legendary creatures that can be used as commanders. So the other 18 cards have to be on the level of Sylvan Library to get close to the $75 dollar price tag.

Because you got this right now (based on my opinion):
Sleeves: $12
Life Counter: $3
+/- Counters: $2
Foil Alt Art Sylvan Library: $15
Foil Oversized Azusa: $.25
 
Total So far: $32.25


It isn't really worth counting up. The thing is, there's little point to buying a boxed set if you're not getting some SERIOUS value on it. I mean, I want to see like $150+ in those 18 cards for it to be remotely worth it.
Well it's safe to say the oversized cards will all be legendary creatures that can be used as commanders. So the other 18 cards have to be on the level of Sylvan Library to get close to the $75 dollar price tag.

Because you got this right now (based on my opinion):
Sleeves: $12
Life Counter: $3
+/- Counters: $2
Foil Alt Art Sylvan Library: $15
Foil Oversized Azusa: $.25
 
Total So far: $32.25


It isn't really worth counting up. The thing is, there's little point to buying a boxed set if you're not getting some SERIOUS value on it. I mean, I want to see like $150+ in those 18 cards for it to be remotely worth it.



If this is serious it's entirely idiotic.

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I don't like oversized cards, commander, Ultra Pro sleeves, or circles with +s and -s on them. I also don't like buying fixed sets of cards that contain cards I don't like, it's the reason I'll probably never buy a premade deck.
 
I just recently learned both the contents of the Commander Arsenal set and the MSRP.  I like what I see in terms of contents, but I'm alarmed by the MSRP...not because I'm not willing to pay that much for good Magic product, but because I think it represents a bad trend in product pricing.  Hear me out.

After looking at this product, there is no earthly way you could possibly convince me that it contains $75 worth of swag.  You just can't.  Here's how I see the breakdown, time for The Price is Right, Magic Edition!

  • 120 premium sleeves
    Packs of 80 high-quality KMCs retail for $12 or so, right?  So, assume $18.

  • 18 premium cards
    Shards block all-foil packs retailed for $14.99, and they contained 15 cards.  I'll be generous and assume $20.  I am intentionally disregarding the open market value of the cards, because that doesn't (or shouldn't) factor into the MSRP.

  • Fancy life-total counter
    Not sure how to price this out, but I'm going to arbitrarily guess $3.

  • Oversized foils for classic commanders
    Again a little on the arbitrary side, 10 oversized premium cards I think might carry a retail value of $8.

  • Battle markers
    Unless these are sterling silver (or metal at all), I'm guessing $3.

Okay, so that's a total ballpark MSRP of $52.  It's close to the $75 mark, but not quite.  What alarms me about this is that there's just no way to value the contents of this package at or above MSRP without considering the secondary market value of the cards.  To my knowledge, the process of pricing a preconstructed product has never done that.  Sure, they may select cards for the set based on market value, but the MSRP is determined independent of that (a la From the Vault sets or Premium Decks).  Stores sell premium product for higher than MSRP because the cards are worth more; Wizards doesn't set the MSRP based on the value of the cards therein.  Follow me?

I think this is a marketing experiment.  They've eliminated a premium product and replaced it with a super-premium product at more than double the MSRP.  This is Wizards figuring out that their core demographic is now in their mid-twenties, and pricing their product accordingly, knowing that Commander players in particular are older and more willing to shell out the cash for "staples" than your average Standard player is.
I literally have no idea what this product is supposed to be or the purpose of it. 
Hopefully there'll be some popular generals. I mean, between FTV-L and the box sets themselves, there should be more. Radha, Heir to Keld would be nice. So would Ertai, the Corrupted.
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Well it's safe to say the oversized cards will all be legendary creatures that can be used as commanders. So the other 18 cards have to be on the level of Sylvan Library to get close to the $75 dollar price tag.

Because you got this right now (based on my opinion):
Sleeves: $12
Life Counter: $3
+/- Counters: $2
Foil Alt Art Sylvan Library: $15
Foil Oversized Azusa: $.25
 
Total So far: $32.25


It isn't really worth counting up. The thing is, there's little point to buying a boxed set if you're not getting some SERIOUS value on it. I mean, I want to see like $150+ in those 18 cards for it to be remotely worth it.



If this is serious it's entirely idiotic.



How so? I may have stepped a bit too far in what I said, but the point stands, there is little point in buying a box set when A:its most important components are readily available, and B: you're paying secondary market prices for several cards that you won't even use. For a box set to be worth it, it has to offer something better than what you would get for the money if bought separately, and quite frankly, the foiling and the trinkets don't make a strong enough case, so the cards in the set have to be really good to justify the price.

How so? I may have stepped a bit too far in what I said, but the point stands, there is little point in buying a box set when A:its most important components are readily available, and B: you're paying secondary market prices for several cards that you won't even use. For a box set to be worth it, it has to offer something better than what you would get for the money if bought separately, and quite frankly, the foiling and the trinkets don't make a strong enough case, so the cards in the set have to be really good to justify the price.


Agreed. Sylvan Library is just on-par with most things we see in the good From the Vaults.


If they can charge $35 for a box with 15 foil cards in the level of Balance, Berserk, Channel, Gifts, Necropotence, Top, Strip Mine; or Vial, Mox Diamond, Memory Jar, Zuran Orb... a product with 18 cards of similar level should be priced $42 (basic math).
The oversized legends can't be used as real cards and so aren't worth much, so even with the sleeves, counters and life thing (and without the FtV spindown die) they shouldn't add $33 to the product's value.


There's something wrong in the pricing, and I can't understand the reason.

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EDIT - It has also been bothering me that this product is called "Arsenal".  An arsenal is simply defined as "a stock of weapons", but I think most people think of Arnold's shopping spree in "Commando" or Neo uploading aisles and aisles of firearms right before the climax in "The Matrix" when they think of the word arsenal.  This product is more like a couple guns in a small time drug dealer's car trunk, not an "arsenal" on the level of Tony Montana.  It's too small and lackluster to be an arsenal. 



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Rancor dies to in-response removal.
Yeah... Until next game, where it'll be right back. Seriously, there's no way to deal with Rancor in any format. It should be banned, except Gleemax is a lobbyist for the Rancor party, so that'll never happen.
You can't ban rancor, it just returns to your deck.
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57461258 wrote:
You might want to actually talk to the Flavor & Storyline Board people... since, you know, our whole reason for playing Magic is the flavor. I'm willing to bet you'll get a lot more interest there than in General.
Indeed, both posters down there would be thrilled.
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I think I wasn't direct enough in my last post. I'll try to fix it now. Ahem... NO ONE CARES there you have it.
57471038 wrote:
When talks about banning Jace first started, I was thinking that I would see him banned come June 20th. But as I think more about it, I don't really think that Jace is the problem anymore. Sure his power level leaves very little to the imagination (opening Jace is like opening a refrigerator box with a naked girl on the inside), and sure his price does have a strong impact on what players choose to play (playing Jace is like being intimate with a woman and she doesn't charge you in the morning), but it is not the source of all the problems in Standard.
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How do people think saving room to print more abilities on cards is dumbing down the game?

Do you really think, say, Akroma would ever be printed if she said, "Akroma can block by creatures with this ability and cannot be blocked by creatures without this ability.  If a creature without this ability would deal combat damage by Akroma would be destroyed, prevent all combat damage that creature would deal to Akroma this combat.  Attacking does not cause Akroma to tap.  If Akroma is blocked and deals lethal damage, it deals the remainder of its damage to the defending player.  Akroma may attack and use abilities that require tapping in the casting cost the turn it enters the battlefield.  Akroma cannot be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by black or red sources" rather than her "dumbed down" wording she has?  No freaking way.  Keywording and shorthand allows them to make complicated cards easy to play with, allowing them to be printed in the first place.
57817638 wrote:
The creation of praetors was worth it just because now amoeboid changeling is a praetor.
57140668 wrote:
1. cast frankie peanuts2. ask opponent "will you concede the game this turn"? if they say yes, you win; if they say no, play a staying power
3. subsequently ask "will you attack this turn"? and "will you cast a spell this turn"? (using a Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir for the second question if necessary) to ensure they can't disrupt the combo
4. donate them a platinum angel
5. play a mox lotus and braingeyser them for every card in their library. play an opalescence and donate them a glorious anthem and a blacker lotus, then play enchanted evening. play and activate a mindslaver and then donate them a fastbond and the mox lotus (returning one of the donates to your hand with eternal witness or whatever)
6. during their turn, play every permanent in their hand (playing lands with fastbond) then (as yourself) cast mirrorweave on the blacker lotus, so every permanent becomes a copy of it. proceed to tear up every card they control, and hopefully do it before they notice that they aren't bound by staying power's ability anymore and can concede
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82423538 wrote:
One part of the statement being true=/=the whole statement true.
Whatever. I'm still here about ten minutes away. Whenever you want to get destroyed in Magic, I'm available.
I would like to get destroyed in Magic, actually. Do you know anybody good enough?
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Please format your statements in a way that doesn't look like a baboon hit its face on your keyboard.
57140668 wrote:
why did Garruk Relentless lose a loyalty counter
Show
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89522235 wrote:
You're such an obvious troll that you have hexproof and : Regenerate.
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56776038 wrote:
Dark Ritual being overpowered is determined more by what is done with it than the card itself.
True, but the fact that it enables so many ridiculous things is pretty telling. It's like, sure I can use a shotgun as a bludgeoning instrument, but that doesn't make it not a shotgun.
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Yeah that (Content Removed) really annoys me. Moderated by MY_self right about naahowwww!
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Dilleux_Lepaire just won the thread.
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And, as usual, Dilleux wins the entire thread. Nice work, sir, nice work.
99113151 wrote:
They need to make 9 layers of zones where cards go when they "die". Much like Hell.
56778328 wrote:
Wow, holy doggy poop, kids, obvious statement is obvious.
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122053101 wrote:
i don't think your geting it WotC is trying to kill the comption to make it so that there shity app is the only one left.
I haven't tried the app. How is its use of English grammar? Cheers!
57471038 wrote:
Everyone's life would be easier if players would, instead of coming to the 'net for help with a deck, just netdeck and be done with it. And I'm not talking about some Top 8 lists, for the Casualists, too, can benefit from netdecking. I've netdecked plenty of decks from the Casual Play forums from users such as Mown, Raedien, Floopfoot, and a few others. I snatched straight the heck out of my web browser. Yes, people, your original idea fell victim to a savage netdecker. You have been assimiliated. Suppose I wanted a Zombie deck. Why on earth would I spend time searching Gatherer for a decent list of Zombie cards when Raedien already did it for me? Taking time to be creative or waiting on people on the forums to tell you why your deck sucks or 'go to Casual forums' is a disasterous waste of time (to me).
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If WotC started putting $100 bills in packs, the players would complain that they folded them wrong.
No, they just spam them with ban requests. That being said, Magic was ruined back in Alpha when they added all that rules and cards [Debutantes avert your eyes]. My friends and I still like playing it the "pure" way (Basically we go into the woods and hit eachother with wiffle bats while shouting made up obscenities. You know, the way Garfield wanted it to be played).
56957928 wrote:
Don't worry about it. I've come up with a list of changes to fix EDH. -First off, there's no commander. -The minimum deck size is 60 cards, and each deck can have up to four of each card, save basic lands and relentless rats. Also decks have no color identity. -Starting life total is 20. And voila, now things are balanced.
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Here's a clever play you can try yourself: -Convince friend to run relentless rats.dec in legacy tournament -Get a deck with lots of mill, yixlid jailer, and humility -Drop humility and jailer, wait for him to dump his hand, mill him out -All his rats now have no abilities. Call a judge because he's playing an illegal deck with more than 4 of a single card. -Get him/her banned from competitive magic play
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But how to mark them without making the individual sleeve different! You could buy a skunk and slam it's butt on you deck (pardon the french) Then after the game just sniff at your opponent's pile of cards and you will know if any of your cards are there!!!
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The outer layer of the Magic: the Gathering box, the carton, or crust, is fairly thin and light, and contains largely aluminosilcates. Within that lies the middle layer, consisting of the familiar booster pack. Although solid, the booster packs' high temperatures allow them to acutally move around within the booster box. This flow, sometimes called convection, is cited by frustrated box mappers as one of WOTC's most genious uses of thermodynamics since the Ravnica block. No one knows what lies at the core of the booster box, but scientists theorize that it must be especially dense in order to make up for the large amount of fluff distributed amongst the booster packs.
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Torpor Orb is absolutely godawful against Vexing Devil.
whoever is playing vexing devil is probably losing anyways
56957928 wrote:
I imagine [Ajani 3's] second ability involves him hurling the creature at your opponent Brion Stoutarm style, then the guy is just like "Okay, that may have worked, but don't- GOD DAMN IT!" as he does it again because cats don't give a **** :33.
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Its like that one time Elves broke out in a field of Jund. Elves became a resurgent hit, then died off again once Jund adapted to the rest of the field of G/W that it required mass removal that inherently pooped on Elves too. Submit to the menace. Delver can, and will blot out the sun.
Then we shall play in the shade.
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I'm sorry, this forum isn't for getting bad advice on mediocre decks, that's standard deck help. This forum is for starting ****storms.
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Your advice would only lead me to make generic, boring, and unworthy content. It's of no use to me.
I just got this image of you as an architect, having finished a building suspended by only a small pole in its southwest corner, saying it's original. Then the building collapses.
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I for one love the flavor of legendary lands. "I remember my days as a youth at Tolarian Academy." "Wow, small multiverse, I actually went there too." "WAIT, DON'T- Well ****, there's $200,000 in student loans well spent."
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And flavor goes out the window when you cast a second copy of a planeswalker right after the first one dies, so... "Hey Nissa, I need a favor." "You just asked me for a 'favor' like thirty seconds ago, and it turned out to be having Sarkhan Transmogrify my only follower into a dragon like 5 times -which dickery aside also violates some laws of causality - and then you let me get beaten over the head by that hedron crab." "...I'll give you " "...Well all right then."
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GM, I don't think Dill is better than you. I KNOW it. Even if he wakes up every morning, clubs a baby seal, steals all the TV remotes from within a block's radius of his house and then robs hungry orphans of their food he'd be better than you, for the simple reason that he learns from his mistakes.
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Tamiyo vs. Gideon
What would they have to fight about? Like, all I can think of now is Gideon going "Hey, long-ears! I'm gathering a group of 'Walkers together to fight some tentacle monsters.....you want in?" and Tamiyo going "Ew! Hentai no bakka Gideon-desu desu!" and flying away.
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I open 4 packs just to be on the safe side. Not only do I get more cards than everyone else, but I also get to spend the rest of the night off. Win Win.
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MaRo has a thing for people opening boosters with bad cards. But since he can only get so many bad cards printed in each set, he has found a devious way of getting more bad cards into circulation: He makes entire print sheets with just bad rares, then puts them onto the assembly line. He proceeds to wring his hands and twirl his evil mustache that he grew for twirling purposes as a lightning bolt strikes in the background. Afterwards, he goes to make sure that the good cards are only opened by everyone's friends, and that we all only get to open bad cards. He does this by memorising each booster, than switching them around accordingly. Whenever someone complains about a card, he immediately jumps out from behind a chair to yell "WELL, IT'S NOT FOR YOU!" before merging back into the shadows in order to devise new ways in which he can screw over players, then claim that he has valid reasons for doing so.
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You open a booster pack, and staring back at you from the rare slot is a Lotleth Troll? At least I can stick him in my EDH deck and still have four for my standard constructed.
Because lol troll
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It helped that I more or less skipped most of GM_Champion's longer diatribes. I only have so many brain cells I'm willing to sacrifice each day.
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Mark Rosewater is sitting in a seemingly innocuous cable TV van, outside of Bankaimastery's house. Sitting nearby are two hardened criminal hackers, fresh out of prison, and filled with resentment at their lack of physical fitness. "Have you managed to hack his brainwaves yet? The set deadline's coming up fast." "We're almost through. It should be coming up on the screen any second." The hacker presses a button, and Kevin's thoughts flash onto the screen. Mark and the hackers stare in amazement at the sheer beauty, the elegance, and the raw truth of what they see. It's like the ending to 2001: A Space Odyssey. Brilliant light shines across the screen, the truth of existence is made clear to them, and they despair at their own foolishness, their own ignorance, their own inadequacy. And then they steal his ideas. As they return back to R&D, Mark sneers at a haggard old man chained to a cast-iron sphere. The man looks up from his laborious task of breaking rocks in the dungeon of Wizards of the Coast headquarters, and asks a question: "Kevin, my greatest student. He - he's all right, isn't he? You didn't hurt him?" Mark deals him a weighty blow with his boot. "Know your place, Richard. Get back to work."
57023768 wrote:
Now show me on the Garruk doll where Zac Hill ruined your enjoyment of Magic...
63711769 wrote:
I'm only opposed to it because it bears so little relation to how people actually play the game. The example of Miracles is actually a much better one then the Clone example I was trying to use. From the game's perspective, the card can move instantly from face down in the library to revealed in the hand and that's fine for the rules. But in real life, we can't actually do that, so the card spends a good bit of time in locations that are neither where that player's library is nor where that player's hand is. And that's fine for real life. What I don't want is the disconnect to be explicitly codified. Along the lines of
183664.697 A game of Magic as laid out by these rules exists only as a pure Platonic ideal, utterly unrealizable by fallible mortals limited by the confines of physicality and the ravages of evil and sin. 183664.698 The cake is a lie, too.
I know it's true, but I don't want the rules to actually straight-up tell me that.
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Pfft this cant be serious can it? If it is please delete your account OP. Its not even close to ban worthy, considering what JTMS and stoneforge had to accomplish to get banned i see the WotC selling magic to aquire Pokemon before that ever happens.
I'm trying to imagine sorin markov as a gym leader in one of those pokemon games which you have to beat him to get his badge... somehow I imagine that he would stab you in the chest with his sword before giving you the badge, even if you beat his pokemon....
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Personally, I'd be fine with tea time but then I'm not gonna waste the mana summoning Emrakul, the Aeons Torn. He always takes all the sugar, drinks the whole pot of Earl Grey and doesn't even say thank you. SO. RUDE.

 

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JuliusPringle wrote:

All I want to do is sit down and play magic, but when I walked in yesterday, (since I didn't talk to anyone) nobody talked to me and I silently bought what I wanted and walked out.


If you don't talk to anyone, that increases the odds that no one will talk to you.

 

JuliusPringle wrote:

So how do I just... introduce myself? "Hi, my name is Adam, wanna play magic with me?" Do I go to the counter and talk to the cashier?


Yeah. Talk to the cashier. Tell him/her that you want a Black Lotus, and if they don't have one tell them that the store isn't on par with what you expected.

 

Reach into your back left pocket. Pull out a deck list that you copied directly from some ChannelFireball top 8 Standard discussion, and ask for all the cards, as is, on that list. Then, ask for some random, probably terrible cards from whatever set is Standard legal. Say it's tech for the upcoming changes in the metagame.

 

Pull out a deck, and tell some random dude you wanna test (you have to use the term "test" for this to work) for Standard. Make sure that deck contains Kitchen Finks and Alluring Siren. Maybe throw in Nyxathid for good measure.

 

Finally, before you leave, spill (make it look like an accident) one hundred singleton, random cards onto the floor. Pick them up, put them in a pile, and say "EEE-DEE-AYCH".

 

I know this sounds dumb at first, but it will work. With the method outlined above, you will draw the attention of players that play older formats by asking for cards that no one on Earth can reasonably afford. You will get the attention of the wanna-be pro, Stomp-n00bz players by pulling out a well known decklist and declare that you have "tech" to make it better. You will get the attention of all the kind, helpful players by seemingly not knowing the most common format by having non-Standard legal cards in a deck that you claim is Standard legal. Finally, you catch all the rest of the Magic players by saying "EEE-DEE-AYCH" (EDH (or Commander)).

And there you have it. You will be talking to more people than you would have wanted to talk to in no time.

 

Smoke_Stack wrote:

EDH is the best format anyway


See, it's starting already.

 

Break the Card
What is Break the Card?
Break the Card is a regular thread in the Cards and Combo Forum. Quite simply, the participants are given a Johnnystatic card (e.g. Xenograft) and are asked to build a deck around it. The winner and honorable mentions are sigged below. Get brewing!
Week 1 : Xenograft
This week's Break the Card was based around Xenograft. Thread : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27681049/Break_the_card_:_Xenograft?pg=1 Winner : Axterix with his Vampdrazi deck. Finalist : Vektor480 with his Ally/Golem/Plant deck. Honorable mentions : Zammm for the Turntimber Ranger combo and TinGorilla for suggesting Sarkhan the Mad.
Week 2 : Mindlock Orb
Here's the link to the Mindlock Orb contest : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27697565/Break_the_Card_:_Mindlock_Orb?sdb=1&pg=last#497536269 Winner : Axterix with his Maralen of the Mornsong deck. Honorable mentions : Void_Elemental.
Week 3 : Bludgeon Brawl
Here's the link to Break the Card : Bludgeon Brawl : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27715169/Break_the_Card_:_Bludgeon_Brawl?sdb=1&pg=last#498208797 Winner : Vektor and his Grab the World deck. Finalist : Crandor with his Awesome Aliteration deck. Honorable mentions : RP Jesus with his Wat deck and Zix200 with his Signet Renewal deck.
Week 4 : Followed Footsteps
This week was Followed Footsteps : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27748677/Break_the_Card_:_Followed_Footsteps?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Exponential Growth deck. Honorable mentions : Zix with his Carbon Copies deck and Escef with his Fungus of Speed and Time deck.
Week 5 : Delaying Shield
This week's card was Delaying Shield : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27790101/Break_the_Card_:_Delaying_Shield Winner : Tevish_Szat. Finalist : Vampire_Bat. Honorable Mention : Zix200.
Week 6 : Painter's Servant
This week's card was Painter's Servant : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27940861/Break_the_Card_:_Painters_Servant?pg=1 Winner : Tevish_Szat with his Paint it Black deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his Tiger, Tiger Painted Bright deck.
Week 7 : Venser, the Sojourner
This week's card was Venser, the Sojourner : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/27977489/Break_the_Card_:_Venser,_the_Sojourner Winner : Izzett with her "Venser, Trickster Trader" deck. Finalist : Wprundv with his "Tactical Sojourner Action" deck.
Week 8 : Personal Sanctuary
This week's card was Personal Sanctuary : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28005461/Break_the_card_:_Personal_Sanctuary Winner : MrQuizzles. Honorable mention : Vampire_Bat and UbberSheep
Week 9 : Sundial of the Infinite
This week's card was Sundial of the Infinite : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28038277/Break_the_card_:_Sundial_of_the_Infinite Finalist : Izzett with her "Afterlife Trespassers" deck. Winner : Xeromus with his "Fortune 500" deck.
Week 10 : Jace's Archivist
This week's card was Jace's Archivist : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/28063377/Break_the_Card_:_Jaces_Archivist. Finalists : Jentaru with his "Consecration of the Draw" deck and HereticSmitty with his "ADHD: The deck" deck. Winner : JaxsonBateman with his "The Archives Are Endless!" deck.
Week 11 : Search the City
This week's card was Search the City : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29518555/Break_the_Card_:_Search_the_City Finalist : Mown with "A Thousand Footsteps". Winner : Desolation_masticore with "Burn the City".
Week 12 : Fiend Hunter
This week's card was Fiend Hunter : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29530975/Break_the_Card_:_Fiend_Hunter Winner : Yuyu63 with "Carnival Hunting". Honorable mention : Dknowle's "Champion the Fiend".
Week 13 : Clock of Omens
This week's card was Clock of Omens : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29541549/Break_the_Card_:_Clock_of_Omens?pg=1 Winner : Dknowle's "The Myrs Go Marching".
Week 14 : Light of Sanction
This week's card was Light of Sanction : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29607219/Break_the_Card_:_Light_of_Sanction?pg=1 Winner : Zauzich's "Divine Plague".
Week 15 : Assemble the Legion
This week's card was Assemble the Legion : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29662307/Break_the_Card_:_Assemble_the_Legion Winner : JBTM's "Some Assembly Required".
Week 16 : High Tide
This week's cards were High Tide and/or Bubbling Muck : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29760427/Break_the_Card_:_High_Tide Winner : Mown's "Puppet Strings".
Week 17 : Illusionist's Bracers
This week's card was Illusionist's Bracers : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29776943/Break_the_Card_:_Illusionistss_Bracers Winner : Enigma256's "Tezzeret's Bracers"
Week 18 : Savor the Moment
This week's card was Savor the Moment : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29787235/Break_the_Card_:_Savor_the_Moment Winner : POSValkir's "A Savory Filibuster!"
Week 19 : Grinning Ignus
This week's card was Grinning Ignus : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29795547/Break_the_Card_:_Grinning_Ignus Winner : dknowle's "Luren' and Laughin'".
Week 20 : Transcendence
This week's card was Transcendence : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29806481/Break_the_Card_:_Transcendence Winners : Mown's "Transcending Timing Restrictions" and Dknowle's "Blinded by Greed", tied for the win.
Week 21 : Mortus Strider
This week's card was Mortus Strider : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29818471/Break_the_Card_:_Mortus_Strider Winner : SimonGlume's "Mortus Head".
Week 22 : High Priest of Penance
This week's card was High Priest of Penance : http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29917231/Break_the_Card_High_Priest_of_Penance Winners : JBTM's "Two Clerics and a Goblin walk into a (Bom)bar(dment)..." and POSValkir1's "Choke Their Rivers with Our Dead!".
Week 23 : False Cure
This week's card was False Cure :http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75842/29964239/Break_the_Card_:_False_Cure Winner : Dknowle's "When Hippos Fly".

Week 24 : Akroan Horse

This week's card was Akroan Horse : http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4024821.

Winner : Dknowle's "Indian Giver".

Week 25 : Leylines

This week saw multiple cards being in the contest : all of the Leylines! http://community.wizards.com/forum/cards-and-combos/threads/4067621

Winner : POSValkir1's "Laying the Battle Lines".

See, the problem is there are places like my old group that don't appreciate decks packed full of card like duel lands and sol rings and junk. To really be worth the money means I can never really use it.


Pretty much this. Well, actually my group wouldn't have much of a problem with it, but one of the things I hate about EDH is how often games devolve into DRAGON BROODMOTHER PRIME TITAN GRAVE TITAN ELESH NORN DERPSWING, so I really can't bring myself to use a lot of those cards. Though if they include an oversized Xiahou Dun, the one-eyed, I'd be willing to pay $75 to ask people if they want to see my giant shiny one-eyed Xiahou Dun.

Zammm = Batman.

It's my sig in a box
58280208 wrote:
Everything is better when you read it in Bane's voice.
192334281 wrote:
Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.
57092228 wrote:
Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.
56995928 wrote:
Funny story: InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul: Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?" Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb." Me: "*Sigh*. Okay." I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board. Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.
My DM on Battleminds:
no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.
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195392035 wrote:
Hi guys! So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic. I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked. Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon. Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in. Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play. I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's. However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks. I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real. I want to begin playing it as a regular. My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck? Or are there special rules? Are some cards forbidden or restricted? Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol.
I have the same problem with women.
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198869283 wrote:
Oh I have a standing rule. If someone plays a Planeswalker I concede the game. I refuse to play with or against people who play Planeswalkers. They really did ruin the game.
A turn two Tibalt win?! Wicked... Betcha don't see that everyday.

The Pony Co. 

Is this my new ego sig? Yes it is, other Barry
57461258 wrote:
And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.
57461258 wrote:
See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.
57461258 wrote:
Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
92481331 wrote:
I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now. O' Jesus Please continue to make my time here on the forums fun and cause me to chuckle. Amen.
92481331 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic, giving you time to set up your silly combo. Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills
Seriously, that was amazing. I laughed my *ss off. Made my day, and I just woke up.
[quote=ArtVenn You're still one of my favorite people... just sayin'.[/quote]
56756068 wrote:
56786788 wrote:
.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?
Perhaps, but who doesn't like to blaspheme every now and again? Especially when Mr. RPJesus is completely right.
56756068 wrote:
I don't say this often, but ... LOL
57526128 wrote:
You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster... Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil. And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.
57042968 wrote:
111809331 wrote:
I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here. ...
Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic
58335208 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
112114441 wrote:
we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary
So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?
I lol'd.
56287226 wrote:
98088088 wrote:
Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?
The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."
56965458 wrote:
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57461258 wrote:
116498949 wrote:
I’ve removed content from this thread because off-topic discussions are a violation of the Code of Conduct. You can review the Code here: www.wizards.com/Company/About.aspx?x=wz_... Please keep your posts polite, on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks. You are welcome to disagree with one another but please do so respectfully and constructively. If you wish to report a post for Code of Conduct violation, click on the “Report Post” button above the post and this will submit your report to the moderators on duty.
...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?
I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right? Right.
57545908 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).
58397368 wrote:
58222628 wrote:
This just won the argument, AFAIC.
That's just awesome.
57471038 wrote:
57718868 wrote:
HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players. And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it. He/It got me with Light of Sanction, which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).
71235715 wrote:
+10
100176878 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
57078538 wrote:
heaven or hell.
Round 1. Lets rock.
GG quotes! RPJesus just made this thread win!
56906968 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
143359585 wrote:
Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS. I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about: creatures.
Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad, things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed.
You are my favorite. Yes you. And moments like this make it so. Thank you RPJesus for just being you.
On what flavor text fits me:
57307308 wrote:
Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius?
56874518 wrote:
First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.
121689989 wrote:
I'd offer you a cookie for making me laugh but it has an Upkeep Cost that has been known to cause people to quit eating.
56267956 wrote:
I <3 you loads
57400888 wrote:
56957928 wrote:
"AINT NO LAWS IN THE SKY MOTHER****." - Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran
10/10. Amazing.
See, the problem is there are places like my old group that don't appreciate decks packed full of card like duel lands and sol rings and junk. To really be worth the money means I can never really use it.


Pretty much this. Well, actually my group wouldn't have much of a problem with it, but one of the things I hate about EDH is how often games devolve into DRAGON BROODMOTHER PRIME TITAN GRAVE TITAN ELESH NORN DERPSWING, so I really can't bring myself to use a lot of those cards. Though if they include an oversized Xiahou Dun, the one-eyed, I'd be willing to pay $75 to ask people if they want to see my giant shiny one-eyed Xiahou Dun.


If you hate that than you should play in our group. It's all combo. Also, I'm only buying this produst if it contains any single card worth more than $70 on the secondary market. I'd really like to see Force of Will, Mana Drain, or Mana Crypt.
Good luck finding these MSRP.

I dream of Beer Head Armies.

Autocard is our friend. [c‍]Urborg Mindsucker[/‍c] → Urborg Mindsucker

If we get cards like doubling season, primeval titan, mirari's wake, imperial seal (Demonic tutor, vampiric tutor), acquire/bribery, ect, the price will be reasonable at least.
Here is a plan.

1. Get your Magic bros together
2. Chip-in to place a factory direct order (minimum 300$)
3. ????????
4. Profit

IMAGE(http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/1c/Spr_4p_389.png)

Why shouldn't Wizards up the price on these?  

The big online retailers and even some local brick and mortor retailers just price gouge the From the Vault: Realms.

Wizards tried to give us good deals on reprints but it would seem that greed, the nature of supply and demand, and many price gouging retailers have ruined it. 
Why shouldn't Wizards up the price on these?  

The big online retailers and even some local brick and mortor retailers just price gouge the From the Vault: Realms.

Wizards tried to give us good deals on reprints but it would seem that greed, the nature of supply and demand, and many price gouging retailers have ruined it. 




FTV is a way to get some cards in circulation but more so a thank you to loyal card stores.  If they wanted it to be a good deal for the players they would of printed more and sold in target/walmart/etc as well as the card stores.  That would keep the initial price down.

Also, the Premium decks were sold in big box stores.  Are these going to be sold there, or is it just another thank you to the card stores?  That will determine if you get these at MSRP or if its double the MSRP.

I am still wondering why wizards tries to push the oversized cards so much?  Do people actually play them?  The only way I could think of maybe being interested in the oversized cards is if they were oversized reserved list cards.  Even then, still can't play them.
The solicitation info says advanced stores can get 4 of this, and the other level can only get 2.

I wonder why they're limiting it so much?
The solicitation info says advanced stores can get 4 of this, and the other level can only get 2.

I wonder why they're limiting it so much?



Threw together a bunch of junk nobody really wants, but if they limit the amount a lot then it can sell for a lot and it looks better and looks like people want it?
i love you guys, i love EDH/Commander moreso than any other format...
but i hope this product tanks.
super limited print run for a casual format product?
$75 msrp? (and we all know with such a limited availability, there's about a snowball's chance in hell you'll get one for msrp)
filled with a bunch of useless crap nobody wants? (nobody cares about oversized cards or all those counters....i'll give you that the life counter is pretty sweet, though)
you guys could have ditched the "extras", included a handful of EDH staples, made it widely available, and still probably made as much money or more than you will off this pile.
even if it's filled with lots of goodies that players would want, so what- the two-to-four richest mtg players/collectors in my entire city might get this (assuming they don't just get cannibalized for singles by the LGS)?
i think most of us had envisioned something akin to "Deck Builder's Toolkit for Commander" instead of "a few good cards and a bunch of swag that is less available than FTV for twice the price--or more."  i'm pretty sure that product would have sold like hotcakes.
not really sure wtf you guys were thinking with this one.
oh well, can't wait for the real commander product for the real commander players to come out next year.  : /
I don't care if it's got Black Lotus , Jace, the Mind Sculptor or the flipping Holy Grail in it; $75 is more than I'm going to spend!

(If you can't tell, I'm kinda cheap).
Thank you Blitzschnell for the awesome banner!

The oversized cards are essentially valueless to players.  



Quoting this for truth.  The only oversized cards I hold in any value, are the planechase planes. I think the promo ones are bit pricy too.

Functional oversized prints of the generals are  rather stupid. The normalsized version of the general is easier to transport and there are other issues too:

"Here is my general! She's oversized!"
"spin into myth it."
"Errr.... um"

If WoTC would really want to give  us something juicy, give us normal-sized alternate art versions of the generals instead. I personally would be ready to kill for an alternate art foil Steve Argyle Mayael the Anima. Just think about this for a second.

ps. Its not completely stupid idea to sell overpriced commander products though, since there are some people who are actually into commander because they can play with all the broken cards.. People who otherwise play only legacy etc. These people actually have money.
"Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional." Proud member of the Rakdos guild
I may have said this earlier in the thread, but we don't really know if it's overpriced yet.  I'm hoping things will be on Sylvan Library's level, and not The Mimeoplasm.

University of Charleston School of Pharmacy, Class of 2016

My Peasant Cube: A Cube for the Commoners

Someone earlier in the thread asked who this was for, "This will be a limited print run product, meant for the collectors and the avid Commander players."

I find that statement to be funny. If they wanted this product to be for "Avid Commander players" you wouldn't severly limit the production run. Also avid Commander players have no use for oversized cards and most of us use dice as counters.

If you knew nothing about MTG and looked at that on the shelf for $75 and read the contents you would laugh! It just seems that Wizards is a bit out of touch with the whole concept of EDH / Commander. The took a casual, player created format and commercialized it because they saw an opportunity to make some $$$.  I have no problem with that aspect at all, go ahead and make some money we all want to do that, but $75 for a handful of playable cards and some trinkets seems to be a bit much. Gouging the people that keep you in business seems to be a poor business model. 

I have no intention of spending that kind of money on a product like that. Even if it did have a black lotus or other insanely wonderful cards, because you know by the time the vendors priced them you'd be spending $300 for that same box.

You are Red/Blue!
You are Red/Blue!

AFter looking at Boxed Products for a while now (Love the Duel Decks series, sad that Premium Deck Series: Blue will not be a thing :'( )

I have come to these conclusions about what things should count when you consider MSRP or not:

For Fat Packs/Intro Packs/Deckbuilder's Toolboxes/Duel Decks:


Packs themselves: (8 or 9x 4ea. = $32-36 of 'real product')
Dice: $2-3 
Pre-Boxed Mythics: $25 between the two
Foil Rares: Ideally $5
Uncommons: Duel Decks- free/Intro Packs: $5
Commons (Any): Free
Lands (except Rares): Free 
Player's Guide, Learn to Play Guide, 'Flavor' Inserts: Free 
Handsome MTG-style Boxes: Free


What the actual prices come out to is pretty close to these numbers I use for valuing. I haven't crunched the numbers on the Commander, Archenemy, or Planechase boxes (compared contents :to: what I'd pay for that :to: what I'm asked to pay for that). Planechase and Archenemy Oversized Cards are actually great to have- cuz they're new, necessary game components for the format. Oversized Commanders seem to be a Vorthos Call--it's the difference between 1 art and another, sometimes it's a big deal to a person, and some people just hate them.


I think any/all/if Commons AND Uncommons (even greats like Sol Ring, Lightning Greaves, etc) Commander's Arsenal should ideal come up 'Free' once we have the whole contents of the Box known. For Rares, I'd add up your accepted price averages for what the rares should be worth, then call that number 'R$'.  For the Oversized Cards, I'd value them at half what their non-Oversized versions cost--better than zero, because it's 'things', but not as good as they ought to be, because the secondary market isn't valuing them unless they're in Foil (See Helvault Scandal). Call this number 'O$'. I am hoping that


'O$ + R$' comes close to $40-$50. Which won't be 75, but hey, it's not bad either? I think looking at From the Vault Dice, we can value this Super Life Die at $5-$7 reasonably, and some people might pay $10+ for it. I think more than 10 is a silly for a die, but it IS a big die...Everything else other than physical cards and the die I think should hopefully count as Free if you look at what you get in the Box (the Box should always, always, always be free. Players need Boxes. Look at how they started adding cheapo Boxes to Duel Decks and Fat Packs. Even really NICE Boxes should be Free. Never count the Box as even .50. From the Vault empty Boxes should be no more than $3. (What things are worth is always less than what they actually sell for))

Sylvan Library is a very fine Rare, and if you value Command Tower in the same bracket as Sylvan Library and imagine what a new art foil of it might be worth, then $40 for a handfull of cards is like just the rares out of 2 Duel Decks products or 2 Premium Decks products, or about half of a Vault box. That could be pretty sweet.


I am annoyed at how Deck Sleeves cost money, since increasingly as you own....well...non-junk cards, sleeves feel like a Need more than a Bonus, like how Boxes feel like a Need after your Entire Collection consists of more than 60 cards--you know, like if you go to a SINGLE event of any size like a Pre-Release....but...Sleeves apparently are being valued at somewhere between 2x to 3x what Dice are. $2-3 to Sleeve 1 deck, $10 to dress it in something nicer than Wal-Mart shoes?  I'm not saying your sleeves need to be uber-blingy, but I hope sleeves get some love in a way that makes them cheaper soon....the MAGIC cardback sleeves....those could be 'Free with Booster Boxes'. That'd be swell
Ummm....I don't know if you actually tried to read that before you posted it, but...I'll just say that it doesn't flow.  At all.

I assume your point is that the Arsenal may not be more than the sum of its parts?

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This is completely useless. I only play EDH, apart from the occassional pre-release or FNM. I could not give a **** about releasing old cards in foil. I want to see new cards, new mechanics, and new plays.

To me, MTG is purely about strategy. I don't really care about flavor, past maintaining the balance between colors. Wizards has the right idea entirely with RTR. 10 new mechanics, plenty of new cards, and the game develops. But Commander's Arsenal...? Completely missed the mark. It introduces nothing new to the game, and is a complete waste (apart from the life counter - I really like the look of them!)

Heres to hoping Wizards sort it out for next years EDH release, and give us some new content to play with.  

Anyway, just thought I'd add my 2 cents, for anybody who might care.. 
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