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Maro once speculated that you could have a guild of anarchist cells just as well the Boros falange. Off the top of my head, and thinking mainly about Guilds that weren't implemented perfectly with respect to color philosophy (IMO):

The Party []: communists, not in the "All Will Be One" Selesnya/Elesh Norn sense, but in the sense of historical communist ideology, which has been as much about progress, technology, reason, human perfectibility, and theorization as it's been about equality, solidarity, discipline, orthodoxy, and simultaneous militarism and pacifism. While the Senate was ultraconservative, the Party's agenda consists of aggressive social experimentation.

The Monastery []: just, like, chillax, bro. All suffering comes from errors in perception, and with proper practices and insight you can overcome these errors. Don't just do something, stand there!

The Temple []: nature has set everything in its place; the lowly to toil and the mighty to protect them, and everyone must play her role. Like the Party, wants to force everyone to cooperate to make the world the best it can be, but diametrically opposed on the question of egalitarianism, is much more cuddly, and assumes that things will work out by default rather than that a conscious plan needs to be centrally implemented. The Temple is the closest thing there is to an "official" church on its plane, winning support among the poor for its extensive charitable role and among the mighty for its support for the status quo.

Some Generic but Descriptive Title []: the world is going to work out fine as long as failure is allowed to fail; through endless iterations success will be rewarded in a bottom-up way, and what doesn't works will get ejected from the system; for individuals or small groups to attend to outcompeting those around them is the only ethical course of action. The only thing that can truly threaten the world are the attempts to make the world into a safe place or erase the distinction between success and failure, and for this groups like the Party and Temple must be stopped. More of a network of the like-minded than a tight organization; it's filled out both by those who are successful enough that attending to global concerns like this is actually in their interests and more aspiring sorts who want to associate with them.
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Interesting. Unfortunately, Ravnica already has anarchists. Some other options:

: Slavers' guild
: Information brokers
: Opposition to the Party.
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Here's some ideas:

/ ideas:

Das Alchemists: Like the Izzet and Simic, a guild dedicated to scientific research, and ultimately combining aspects of both. Instead of uber-secrecy (though obviously still employing it if nedded), it bashes in the glory of achievement. It encourages power via competence.

Cabinet of Shadows: A political guild, perhaps allied or averse to the :symwu: guild. Maybe focused on social progress?

Nix's kids: A more spiritual guild, connected to the elemental aspects of both colours (aka darkness).

/ ideas:

The Punks: A guild encouraging self-expression. Both artistic and political.

Da Goffs: Enoby's posse, basically. **** U PREPS!11111

The Entertainment Industry: Exactly as the title implies.

/ ideas:

Poets: Like The Punks, only less focused on self-expression and more on antagonising the state and on using primal art.

/

Moral Guardians: Basically insane conservatives.
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..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true">The Party : communists, not in the "All Will Be One" Selesnya/Elesh Norn sense, but in the sense of historical communist ideology, which has been as much about progress, technology, reason, human perfectibility, and theorization as it's been about equality, solidarity, discipline, orthodoxy, and simultaneous militarism and pacifism. While the Senate was ultraconservative, the Party's agenda consists of aggressive social experimentation.


This is interesting from an art history perspective (hell yes I can find ways to shoehorn art history into every conversation!) since it's a perfect ideological summary of the Russian Constructivists and early film pioneers like Dziga Vertov. A lot of their art is based soundly in this very vision of progress both socially and scientifically. They're kinda like the Futurists, except, you know, not fascist creeps.

I think the fundamental internal conflict in The Party is one, ironically, of extravagance, not for individuals, of course, but for the state/the people as a whole. I mean, a perfect example of that is the Monument to the Third International, which was a Constructivist building intended to serve as the seat of government for Russia after the revolution. Except, it was this enormous, suspended tower that rotated, and this was being proposed around the time Lenin was struggling to keep his people fed. It was a work of brilliant, beautiful delusion, and I think it really encapsulates what drives this aspect of blue/white--and drives it apart. Or at least, I think this aspect is a whole lot more interesting than the "human dignity/freedom sacrificed for progress!" angle, which I think is rather trite at this point, and more than a little overplayed, especially in American pop culture. This idea of genuinely good, genuinely brilliant people who can't quite get their utopia to work because their plans are simply too grand, and too lofty, has a much more majestic feel to it as a conflict.

Incidentally, Sight and Sound just added Man With A Movie Camera, Vertov's masterpiece of experimental documentary, to their list of the fifty best films of all time. It's worth watching. It's just... mindbendingly brilliant.
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Or at least, I think this aspect is a whole lot more interesting than the "human dignity/freedom sacrificed for progress!" angle, which I think is rather trite at this point, and more than a little overplayed, especially in American pop culture. This idea of genuinely good, genuinely brilliant people who can't quite get their utopia to work because their plans are simply too grand, and too lofty, has a much more majestic feel to it as a conflict.

Well, I'm very much ideologically, and so I don't really care about "freedom" or "human dignity" in that sense, but
  • some people do, and a setting shouldn't beg questions with respect to these sort of value conflicts,
  • the second part is an inevitable element of these trite narratives anyway,
  • for a certain meaning of "genuinely good," what is is trivially genuinely good; for other meanings to include it as a canonical proposition about the setting question-begs values again.
Ideally factions in settings like this feature a mix of personally sympathetic and unsympathetic characters, an ideology that different readers will cast as heroic or villainous, and mixed success in achieving their goals. Which doesn't mean that sort of extravagance can't be one of 's systematic failure modes, but that defining The Party as misguided heroes from the start is a little interpretively aggressive and locks them into something equally trite.
I like the idea of a militant church - the type that sends out religious crusaders against other religions. Certainly Boros gets a bit of this with their angels, but they're very secular despite that.

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Not so much a guild as an artistic movement. These are the sort of people that Keeper will go on for days about - intellectual artists challenging the status quo in interesting ways. In an oppressive state, these are the graffiti artists.

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Another type of socialism crops up here - the commune style of living, generally stereotyped as hippies.

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Rugged individualists living off the grid. The sort of people who build up arsenals "just in case." 
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I think hippies are more /. / strikes me more as either communists, or your average republican.
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I think hippies are more /. / strikes me more as either communists, or your average republican.



Funny how you put Republicans and Communists in the same group. No, bad Yxoque, don't bring up politics...


How about: combining the love for social improvement that White and Blue share with the secrecy of Blue and the Hierarchy of White? Basically a highly structured spy organization that infiltrates just about anything in order to push society further. Something like a not-evil Gestapo?

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I put them together because, as much as they pathetically think they're different, they're of the same breed.

The difference is that republicans focus on the "keep the status quo, bitches", while communists focus on "everyone is equal, bitches".
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I put them together because, as much as they pathetically think they're different, they're of the same breed.

The difference is that republicans focus on the "keep the status quo, bitches", while communists focus on "everyone is equal, bitches".

Never change.
Was that adressed at my personality?

If you think about it, though, I am right. Both Republicans and Communists really count as different facets of /. One is a bunch of theocrats hell-bent on what amounts as social darwinism, stagnation (both scientific and social) and irrationality, while the other is a bunch of seculars hell-bent on social equality and assimilation.

Selesnya is basically the communist side of /.
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To be honest I would LOVE an interesting :R::B: guild, something that is a bit different to most.


I was playing around at one point with the concept of trapping emotions into crystals to sell to the highest bidder (I was inspired by Nick Willing's Alice) and I think that that could fit a :R::B: group.

But . . . I may be wrong
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could be the ultimate capitalists - everything is for sale. I see a lot of high stakes auctions involved, with the "leader" having an ability similar to Geth's. He writes contracts. If you don't live up to them, terrible things happen to you (but it works both ways, so he has to live up to his side of the bargain)
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You know, I was pondering the interesting way that this thread is demonstrating the extreme variability even in philosophies like Communism/Socialism/Marxism, that in America, at least, are painted as monolithic... and then I came home and saw Shamsiel's post.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuugh.

@Cogminded:

That's a really interest conceit, although I'm not sure there's enough material there to say definitively that it falls into any one guild combination. You should do something with that, though... I'm sure there's some setting that can use the idea.

@Yxoque:

So... the Order of Rosencreutz/Knights Templar, basically?

It's funny, those groups are either W/U or B/U depending on how you decide to take the legends, hearsay, and fabrications...
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To be honest its an idea that I think could be interesting but . . . I'm not sure where I would go with it.

I tend to come up with things that I think could be cool but that I would be much happier having other people work on :P 
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To be honest I would LOVE an interesting :R::B: guild, something that is a bit different to most.


I was playing around at one point with the concept of trapping emotions into crystals to sell to the highest bidder (I was inspired by Nick Willing's Alice) and I think that that could fit a :R::B: group.

But . . . I may be wrong



This feels less like a Guild concept and more like an entire plane concept that would then be flavored into all the colors.
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I suppose it would depend on how it was done, I was looking at it almost like being for drugs scenes, people looking for intense emotions as a "hit" but . . . more organised somehow
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I wonder if it might'nt fit in on one of the existing M:EM planes? Like, I can see a Faskerian soldier, a fresh recruit, facing down the enemy lines, waiting for the bombardment to stop, knowing that he'll have to charge across the wasteland of Pale that stands between the lines, desperately gulping down a contraband crystal that pumps pure distilled rage into his system.

I mean, we already call alchohol "liquid courage"... might as well extend the concept, right? That's what I love about fantasy--metaphors become reality.
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I'm more than happy with that, what plane is this?
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Would it be limited to emotions, or could it be expanded to also share memories? Perhaps that's part of the differences between the colors.

Blue: Memories
Black: Physical stimuli - pain, pleasure, smells, tastes, etc.
Red: Emotions
Green: Training (muscle memory, essentially - suddenly you can do gymnastics)

The only one I can't think of at all is White. 
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I'm more than happy with that, what plane is this?



This one.


Although it's a concept that could fit in a lot of planes.

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Maybe white would be purgers?

Either people opposed to the use of these things or they provide cleansing for people overloading our having a bad "trip" or something

Or something morality based if you wanna go really stereotypical 
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Perhaps White can do memories, while Blue does knowledge? With White you can experience what someone else did, with Blue you can know what someone else know.

I do like the idea of White having Purgers and dealing with the aftermath of bad trips - it suggests that the crystals act as enchantments when they're consumed.
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I remember someone in YMtC experimenting with colorshifted guilds. The most memorable by far was his reimagining of the Dimir – as a 'S.H.I.E.L.D.' secret service that delivers justice James Bond style.

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This makes my geeking bone happy
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The difference is that republicans focus on the "keep the status quo, bitches", while communists focus on "everyone is equal, bitches".



That reminds me of a joke:

How many anarchists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

That would require anarchists actually do something.
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The difference is that republicans focus on the "keep the status quo, bitches", while communists focus on "everyone is equal, bitches".



That reminds me of a joke:

How many anarchists does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

That would require anarchists actually do something.

...Like assassinate major political figures, helping to push the world toward the First World War and eventually forcing the overhaul of police procedures and the creation of the FBI? Not to mention the fact that the Paris Commune was arguably anarchosocialist, as were a number of other groups throughout history...

Come on, guys, at least do some minimal level of historical research if you're going to start talking politics.
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Come on, guys, at least do some minimal level of historical research if you're going to start talking politics.


But Keeper, we're not allowed to discuss politics...

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I was pretty sure I was referring to the ones on college campuses.

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Come on, guys, at least do some minimal level of historical research if you're going to start talking politics.


But Keeper, we're not allowed to discuss politics...

Laughed so hard at this. <3 you Yxoque.

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Well, you note that A. that wasn't actually apparent at all in your original post, and B. I said "guys". My ire is not solely directed at you.
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