[RTR-ICD] Rootborn Defenses

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Rootborn Defenses

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Populate. Creatures you control are indestructible this turn. (To populate, put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of a creature token you control. Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy indestructible creatures.)

Artist: Mark Zug
Number: 19/274
Watermark: Selesnya
Flame me if you will but based on new info this is got to be real....


LLC and missing 1993 argument smoked:




On top of nobody being able to find the Rootborn artwork anywhere else online

Not to mention the op is posting video of card online today at 9pm estrn!

If this is fake it gets the best fake award of the century!





Where's this cards post???



Also, even if it isn't fake, we have no reason to believe it's real until it's proven to be. 
the op and others have been discussing on mtgs...a lot of valid points and new info...
Exactly how has the missing LLC and copyright year(s) been proven false?

And what is the explanation for how one card from RTR could find itself in an AVR booster?

Need explanation before I believe this. 
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Exactly how has the missing LLC and copyright year(s) been proven false?

And what is the explanation for how one card from RTR could find itself in an AVR booster?

Need explanation before I believe this. 



Maybe because the card he wiped clean so he could print this up was an AVR card?
On the one hand, the art DOES look legit, it's similar to other examples of Mark Zug's work and the Selesnya symbol on the shoulder just looks right.

On the flip side the copyright info does strike me as fishy, though if that's how they did the info on Kaijudo then I guess that can be explained. The templating strikes me as strange but explainable.

But I honestly don't think the mechanic is suitable under NWO, bearing in mind that the set has already spent a lot of complexity points on being a multicolour set with 5 distinct new mechanics I just think that a mechanic that produces a clone creature token but only a clone of an existing creature token... it strikes me that it could lead to 'feel bad plays' having to play the card for the 2nd ability and not getting a token out of it. Proliferate was broad enough that feel bad plays were rare if you put the cards in the right deck... I'm not getting it from this mechanic.

That's not to say that I dislike the mechanic if it IS legit, but I'll just be hoping that the other guilds get something a bit better to be honest but that's possibly a playstyle thing.

EDIT: It's also worth considering that unless I'm mistaken the reason Kaijudo only lists 2012 in the copyright dates is that Kaijudo only came out this year. And the lack of LLC can be put down to WotC not being the only company listed on Kaijudo cards. So for me it's still a fake unless proven otherwise.
It seems that that everything normal fakes usually do wrong, this card does absolutely right; and what normal fakes usually do right (trademarks and stuff), this card feels off on. Hence the confusion :/
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I don't like Populate. Nonetheless, I think it's very possible as the Selesnya mechanic, even under NWO.

They could print it almost exclusively on cards that produce a token on their own, so few of the cards risk casting it and then being unable to populate. It plays well with the old Selesnya theme of "make a billion saproling tokens", plays well with a lot of stuff from Innistrad block (zombie tokens, wolf tokens, spirit tokens...), and most importantly fits the "a mechanic that only fits on a few cards" requirement that MaRo has mentioned.

Not entirely convinced about the card, but the keyword is certainly not a strike against it.
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Populate feels like proliferate, and I like it.
It's looking more and more like this might be real, so this ICD remains open.


Weren't all the guilds supposed to get new symbols? Why does this still use the guild watermark from before?

Also, a video won't prove anything. It will be in bad quality and/or the card will be in constant motion preventing you from seeing the edges where you might be able to tell that it's glued onto another card.
That's not the image we're looking at, infinight. What you just posted is a mock-up.
That's not the image we're looking at, infinight. What you just posted is a mock-up.



Yep... It's one I made in only a few minutes, and then I realised that the Set Editor has the same exact guild symbol as the this card. This either means A. 
The Set Editor has been updated with the new guild symbol without me doing knowing about it, or B. This card still uses the same old watermark that's extremely easy to access on MSE.

Yep... It's one I made in only a few minutes, and then I realised that the Set Editor has the same exact guild symbol as the this card. This either means A. 
The Set Editor has been updated with the new guild symbol without me doing knowing about it, or B. This card still uses the same old watermark that's extremely easy to access on MSE.



Actually the Selesnya guild symbol hasn't changed other than a couple of the line thinknesses being ever so slightly different. It's hard to tell but the picture in the OP does seem to use the latest symbol.

I'm still on the fence about this being legit though. 

Yep... It's one I made in only a few minutes, and then I realised that the Set Editor has the same exact guild symbol as the this card. This either means A. 
The Set Editor has been updated with the new guild symbol without me doing knowing about it, or B. This card still uses the same old watermark that's extremely easy to access on MSE.



Actually the Selesnya guild symbol hasn't changed other than a couple of the line thinknesses being ever so slightly different. It's hard to tell but the picture in the OP does seem to use the latest symbol.

I'm still on the fence about this being legit though. 



After looking at it a second time and putting it next to my fake I noticed a couple things. The first being that you are correct and that it is using the guild symbol, and the second is that there seems to be a tiny bit more space between the top of the text box and the tex itself meaning that if it is a fake I don't think it's made with MSE.

Well, you people win. I have given my hopes up that this is real and I can play a :B::W: populating zombie deck, and I will melt all of you if this does turn out to be a fake.
Bad Card, good mechanic.

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Might be worthwhile to pick up a few playsets of Parallel Lives if this turns out to be real.  
I would have thought populate would have a number after it, populate 1, populate 2. It would make more sense as a mechanic, and have the potability of being more powerful on other cards.
I would have thought populate would have a number after it, populate 1, populate 2. It would make more sense as a mechanic, and have the potability of being more powerful on other cards.


Doubtful. It's a CLEAR riff on Proliferate (Though I wish it allowed you to choose any number of players to get an extra token, both to make things more fun and increase the connection. Though I guess that might not be very Selesnya), and Proliferate didn't use numbers either (see Contagion Engine).
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Yes, but proliferate could target every counter on the field. This only targets one tolken. Overall it is a much weaker than proliferate.
They're completely different mechanics, and one of them doesn't exist yet; kind of hard to say one is better than the other before we've seen it in action.
Kill my blade splicer? Nope!

That said this isn't actually t2 playable. 

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Of course it had to be found inside of a lili pack....


Erenberger Bruce:



"My wife bought a sealed booster box from our local card shop. This was in the 3rd booster pack from the top. in a sealed pack. It was in place of where the land card would be, just after the rare. Its the only card that didn't belong out of the entire box, So I wasn't sure what to make of it. Who knows, maybe it will get printed correctly and I'll just have a unique card to myself. :D"



The thing that kills me is I always pick lili packs when I have a choice and I always pick 3rd from last or bottom....this was org meant for me!



To those who say this is to strong for common...well...I cant wait to see what the uncommons look like! Tongue Out  We normally get some slightly over powered stuff in a multicolored block.



Also to those who feel this is fake due to the structure of the double abilities definition:





The  templating and the missing LLC threw me off the most originally....but now both seem explainable.



Dude's taken a second photo with his phone, showing the card side-on (so you can tell it isn't a paste job).
This one's beginning to look a whole lot less fake as time goes by...

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Apparently, the dude contacted Wizards about it, and they asked him for the booster's code on the back.

This is looking to be real, folks.
Can we unlock my thread then? ):

It boosts my ego to see the number in parenthesis next to my name rise. :P

No but seriously.

Let this be real. I need to do something stupid with Seance.
Maybe Wizards decided to really tease us and put a random card from RTR in boosters and send them to different parts of the world (Willy Wonka style.)
Maybe Wizards decided to really tease us and put a random card from RTR in boosters and send them to different parts of the world (Willy Wonka style.)


They would've said something about it. This is likely an error.
Maybe Wizards decided to really tease us and put a random card from RTR in boosters and send them to different parts of the world (Willy Wonka style.)


They would've said something about it. This is likely an error.


I wouldn't put it past em (Remember how they replaced random cases of Zendikar with live bobcats to enforce the "Deadly perils" tagline?)

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Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.
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Funny story: InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game. I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul: Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?" Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy." Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb." Me: "*Sigh*. Okay." I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board. Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.
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Oh I have a standing rule. If someone plays a Planeswalker I concede the game. I refuse to play with or against people who play Planeswalkers. They really did ruin the game.
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And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.
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See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.
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Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
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It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic, giving you time to set up your silly combo. Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills
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.....would it be a bit blasphemous if I said, "PRAYSE RPJAYSUS!" like an Evangelical preacher?
Perhaps, but who doesn't like to blaspheme every now and again? Especially when Mr. RPJesus is completely right.
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I don't say this often, but ... LOL
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You... You... Evil something... I actualy made the damn char once I saw the poster... Now you made me see it again and I gained resolve to put it into my campaign. Shell be high standing oficial of Cyrix order. Uterly mad and only slightly evil. And it'll be bad. Evil even. And ill blame you and Lizard for it :P.
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I'm trying to work out if you're being sarcastic here. ...
Am going to stop you right there... it's RPJesus... he's always sarcastic
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we can only hope it gets the jace treatment...it could have at least been legendary
So that even the decks that don't run it run it to deal with it? Isn't that like the definition of format warping?
I lol'd.
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Uktabi Orangutan What the heck's going on with those monkeys?
The most common answer is that they are what RPJesus would call "[Debutantes avert your eyes]ing."
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...Am I the only one that thinks this is reaching the point of downright Kafkaesque insanity?
I condone the use of the word Kafkaesque. However, I'm presentely ambivalent. I mean, that can't be serious, right? We're April 1st, right? They didn't mod RPJesus for off-topic discussion when the WHOLE THREAD IS OFF-TOPIC, right? Right.
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Save or die. If you disagree with this, you're wrong (Not because of any points or arguements that have been made, but I just rolled a d20 for you and got a 1, so you lose).
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This just won the argument, AFAIC.
That's just awesome.
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HOW DID I NOT KNOW ABOUT THE BEAR PRODUCING WORDS OF WILDING?! WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?!
That's what RPJesus tends to do. That's why I don't think he's a real person, but some Magic Card Archive Server sort of machine, that is programmed to react to other posters' comments with obscure cards that do in fact exist, but somehow missed by even the most experienced Magic players. And then come up with strange combos with said cards. All of that is impossible for a normal human to do given the amount of time he does it and how often he does it. He/It got me with Light of Sanction, which prompted me to go to RQ&A to try and find if it was even possible to do combat damage to a creature I control (in light that Mark of Asylum exists).
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heaven or hell.
Round 1. Lets rock.
GG quotes! RPJesus just made this thread win!
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Blue players get all the overpowerered cards like JTMS. I think it's time that wizards gave something to people who remember what magic is really about: creatures.
Initially yes, Wizards was married to blue. However, about a decade ago they had a nasty divorce, and a few years after that they began courting the attention of Green. Then in Worldwake they had a nasty affair with their ex, but as of Innistrad, things seem to have gotten back on track, and Wizards has even proposed.
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Surely RPJesus gets Niv-Mizzet, Dracogenius?
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First: I STILL can't take you seriously with that avatar. And I can take RPJesus seriously, so that's saying something.
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I'd offer you a cookie for making me laugh but it has an Upkeep Cost that has been known to cause people to quit eating.
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I <3 you loads
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10/10. Amazing.
Maybe Wizards decided to really tease us and put a random card from RTR in boosters and send them to different parts of the world (Willy Wonka style.)


They would've said something about it. This is likely an error.


I wouldn't put it past em (Remember how they replaced random cases of Zendikar with live bobcats to enforce the "Deadly perils" tagline?)



Man, I still remember that prerelease. It must've taken them days to clean the hall up.

In all seriousness, we of course had the one joker at our prerelease who stood up in the middle of opening the packs and screamed out "OMG!!! OMG!!! It's a Lotus!!! I've pulled freaking Lotus!!!! ... ... just kidding." Half the room wanted to punch him.
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Verhexterring (Jinxed Ring / Grave Pact)
Flourishing Blowflies ( -1/-1 Counters)
It must be a fake. The language of the reminder text is completely different from other formats. For example, it says "to populate." On keywords with similar effects, like proliferate, it just launches straight into the explanation. Look at Fuel for the Cause and compare it to the mock-up on the first page.
If it's real, it's pretty neat. I like Proliferate, but tokens generate card advantage rather than virtual advantage, so this would potentially be much more powerful than Proliferate. As for the card itself- it does replace itself and it is a combat trick, which is pretty nice (Repel the Darkness is a favorite combat trick of mine because it doesn't eat up cards.) It also allows for surprise blockers which have become more of a "thing" in this last standard season. I highly doubt this would see major constructed play, but it certainly wouldn't be a bad card to play.
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It must be a fake. The language of the reminder text is completely different from other formats. For example, it says "to populate." On keywords with similar effects, like proliferate, it just launches straight into the explanation. Look at Fuel for the Cause and compare it to the mock-up on the first page.


Compare to Scry and Unearth.
It must be a fake. The language of the reminder text is completely different from other formats. For example, it says "to populate." On keywords with similar effects, like proliferate, it just launches straight into the explanation. Look at Fuel for the Cause and compare it to the mock-up on the first page.


Compare to Scry and Unearth.



Scry does, Unearth doesn't.
It must be a fake. The language of the reminder text is completely different from other formats. For example, it says "to populate." On keywords with similar effects, like proliferate, it just launches straight into the explanation. Look at Fuel for the Cause and compare it to the mock-up on the first page.



But Fuel for the Cause doesn't have to explain two seperate things. Inserting "To populate" makes it clear that the first sentence refers to one ability and the second to another, whereas otherwise the whole thing could be misread as a single ability. The thing is that all the odd wording on the card makes sense as a means to clarify what it does, reduces the number of lines needed in the textbox and isn't actually inaccurate in any instance. It looks like a coherent set of changes that complement each other, not something created in a slapdash fashion.
interesting mechanic, not really doing much for me atm though.
Lovely lovely lovely! And the first leaked card has to be from Selesnya.

I really like Token-Proliferate, fits the guild very well.

RTR previews have begun! *does a little jig*

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interesting mechanic, not really doing much for me atm though.



Then you obviously haven't considered using it with Skirsdag High Priest. You can also copy copy tokens.
Seems really strong in the Thragtusk/Restoration Angel decks running around at FNMs.

Just need to splash a little Parallel Lives to really enjoy the benefit.
I still need official word from Wizards.

Not trying to be intentionally skeptical, but I can't compromise the obvious mistakes (LLC & Copyright year) 
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