## Windreaver and Angelic Shield

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Lechek-D
Joined Dec 2007
172 Posts
I guess, when i have Windreaver and Angelic Shield in play, and if i activate Windreavers ability to switch power and toughness, Windreaver will be a 3/2 creature, not a 4/1. Am i right with this?
DragonFox1001
Joined Sep 2005
1878 Posts
No, it will be a 4/1.  P/T switching effects apply after all other modifiers.
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ikegami
Joined Nov 2007
2271 Posts
Timestamps only matter when breaking ties within a layer. The two effects here apply at different layers.

1/3 ⇒(layer 7c)⇒ 1/4 ⇒(layer 7e)⇒ 4/1
613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)

613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.

613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied.

613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don’t set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.

613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, “Counters.”

613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature’s power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature’s toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature’s power.

kristijanH
Joined Dec 2009
1111 Posts
Sorry to necro this thread but wouldn't this situation make the Windreaver a 4/2? Angelic Shield still applies after the P/T switch right?
rezzahan
Joined Mar 2011
8239 Posts
No, the +0/+1 is applied in layer 7c, the power/toughness switch in 7e. So the +0/+1 is always calculated in before the switch, no matter in which order the effects are created.

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